Oda to Miss Nationals

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Iceman, Dec 18, 2011.

  1. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

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  2. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    What are the selection criteria for the Japanese World team this year?
     
  3. Jeschke

    Jeschke Well-Known Member

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    with hanyu constant rising, i expected oda not making the worlds team this year, but i hoped for a competition. i doubt the japanese federation will go for a face2face challenge at 4cc.
     
  4. doctor

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    What do you mean by "face2face challenge"?
     
  5. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    I think Jeschke means sending both Hanyu and Oda to 4CCs and letting their result there determine who goes to Worlds (assuming Takahashi wins Nats and Hanyu comes in 2nd)

    ETA: Does Japan only have 2 spots for men?
     
  6. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    Japanese Federation always decided the World team before the Four Continents, IIRC.

    Hanyu better get sent to Worlds or :mad:.

    At this stage Oda should either retire or represent Azerbeijan.

    He would have made pretty any other National team easily but I don't really feel sorry for him. He messed up so many chances in the past and he seems to have peaked.
     
  7. HisWeirness

    HisWeirness Happy Russian Hunger Games!

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    Japan has three direct Mens entries to both 4CCs and Worlds.
     
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  8. RockTheTassel

    RockTheTassel Well-Known Member

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    Japan has three, and Takahiko Kozuka is also in the mix.
     
  9. SamuraiK

    SamuraiK Well-Known Member

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    I think he's out for the season then. He has messed up so many times and JSF won't give him the benefit of doubt specially with so many great guys up and coming.

    On the positive side, this may open up the 4CC team for Machida, Mura or Murakami, which will be a great opportunity.

    I'm still :wall: about his fail at maths and the lost bronze at Moscow:(
     
  10. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    It seems difficult for Oda to make a strong come back next season, given the talent pool in mens field in Japan.
     
  11. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    :duh: Of course he is.
     
  12. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    I wish him a speedy recovery, but I'm afraid we won't see him again at Worlds. I mean, Takahashi, Kozuka and Hanyu are such a strong team.
     
  13. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    It is a shame that Oda's failure to think on his feet cost him 2 Worlds bronze medals (2006 and 2011), a National title (2005/6) and an Olympic berth (2006). And he also lost a season to his drink driving incident. If none of these happened, he probably could have a run against Kozuka who is also a world medalist but also not skating his best so far this season or Hanyu who is a promising up and comer but still no world medals to boot.

    Alas, with what Kozuka and Hanyu accomplished these 2 seasons, and with him still not medalling at Worlds 5 years out, there really is no strategic or political reason to support Oda for the world team anymore. (and his recent programs have sucked real bad)

    This is such a pity because he has always had it all (bar the head).
     
  14. Seerek

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    Interesting of the possibility of 4CC spots opening up if Oda is not sent - Tatsuki Machida won Golden Spin of Zagreb last week with a 228+ combined score...(which would have been 7th best overall of the season had it been ISU recognized).
     
  15. paskatefan

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    Wishing Nobu a full recovery!
     
  16. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    I read the thread title as "Ode to Miss Nationals", and thought that someone had written a poem about when winners of skting competitions used to get sashes like beauty pageant winners :lol:
     
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  17. Wyliefan

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    :rofl: I thought it meant that Oda was going to judge a beauty pageant. We must not be awake yet.
     
  18. ltnskater

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    Hmmm, I recall back in 2005, the Japanese Federation used 4CC to determine who out of Fumie Suguri and Yoshie Onda would go to worlds (Miki Ando and Shizuka Arakawa had already made the world team), but looking back, Fumie was a 2 time world medallist in 02 and 03, and both Fumie and Yoshie competed at nationals.

    Yes, I'm pretty sure they will send Hanyu to worlds, you don't have to worry, along with Takahashi, Kozuka will probably make it as well being the world silver medallist, but I seriously doubt they will announce their world team after 4CC giving Oda the opportunity, as he's not even skating at nationals. (And if he was, I think the decision would still be made at nationals, unless something bizarre like Oda coming in 3rd, Takahashi in 4th).
     
  19. Ziggy

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    Takahashi, Hanyu, Kozuka.

    It's what I want from Santa for Christmas.

    Plus Machida for the Four Continents team.

    I'd prefer to see Murakami over Oda too. He's boring but he's been improving massively.

    Oda is obviously a huge huge talent but in addition to what Marco has listed, another thing that has massively held him back IMO was that he never found his own style.

    The best programs he's even hard IMO, are the ones he won Junior Worlds with. And that was many seasons ago.

    His choreography has been consistently dissapointing and his performance ability consistently lacking.

    He's had many years to develop it but failed.

    It's just so frustrating. His jumps are beautiful when they're on (soft, nicely extended landings), the basics are there. It just never came together.
     
  20. Ares

    Ares Guest

    That was a unique circumstance because Mao won the silver at Nationals that year but was not eligible for Worlds. If Mao had been old enough, both Suguri and Onda would have stayed home. No skate off necessary.

    In addition the JSF was put in an awkward position because they were using the GP series as part of the selection process for Worlds that season, and Onda qualified for the GPF. At Nationals Fumie finished 3rd, where Onda finished way down in 7th. After the Japanese Nationals both could make a legitimate claim for Mao's spot, so a skate off at 4CC was necessary.
     
  21. Loves_Shizuka

    Loves_Shizuka Gettin' my sass out

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    I'm so glad I'm not an Oda-uber. Being a fan must be SO. HARD.

    Wishing him the best, regardless!
     
  22. DORISPULASKI

    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    and who is "Miss Nationals"? ;)

    (I read this as Ode to Miss Nationals, originally. There was a speck of dust on my screen in just the wrong place.

    I'm so sad to hear it is about Oda missing his Nationals :wuzrobbed:
     
  23. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    In France, we have 2 Miss : Miss France and Miss National ! :)
     
  24. victoriaheidi

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    I was just waking up and I was like "Ode to Miss Nationals? A POEM? This is all GSD can come up with this morning?!"

    Now I'm kind of sorry it wasn't a poem.
     
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  26. ltnskater

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    Ahhhh, I see, thanks for clearing that up, I wasn't entirely sure how that happened, but I now do recall JSF using the GP season in the past to determine who goes to worlds.
     
  27. jlai

    jlai Title-less

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    Oda just isn't gonna be the center of skating uni-verse this season. Given his talent, there's no rhyme or reason he shouldn't. :(
     
  28. Lara

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    It's gotten to Sandhu territory at this point. :wuzrobbed :fragile:

    But I do think his programs are crap this season, so...probably better off not seeing him at all (especially if it means Hanyu instead). Sigh.
     
  29. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    Roses are red, violets are blue.
    When it comes to COP, Oda has no clue.

    :slinkaway
     
  30. loulou

    loulou Let It Snow

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    You're gonna get it.
    Actually : I wish it was that easy to get what I want from Santa this year.