Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sugar, Nov 21, 2012.
It says I have to become a something plus member to read the article? Ugh.
Hersh says the real goal is Sochi and he doesn't need to rush back from his groin injury which requires a lot of rest so it's just shutting the door on this season maybe he's not even sure he is speculating.
He also talks about Wagner going to Sochi gpf being a mixed bag because of it's location.
Hope Evan's well.
Phil also mentioned Yuna Kims appearance at the Senior B in Germany will overshadow the Grand Prix Final the same weekend.
I'm sorry Jenny Kirk isn't still doing weekly reports.
At times Phil Hersh writes about skating with such contempt, you'd think he was doing it at gun point. (Having met a few seasoned journalists at skating events, he wouldn't be the only one, unfortunately)
The link worked for me.
From the article:
``Lysacek withdrew from Skate America in October and decided not to go to Croatia for a Dec. 13-16 competition that would have allowed him to get his blades wet before nationals. So why did he skate in a made-for-TV cancer charity show in North Carolina last week?
Lysacek’s agent, Shep Goldberg, told me that even if the skater was feeling ready to compete, the lengthy trip to Croatia could have affected the injury. Goldberg said Lysacek was committed to the Carolina event on a personal level, since his father, Don, is a cancer survivor. And Lysacek did not push himself in the exhibition, doing only two jumps.``
You`d think Phil would have learned by now that there might be really good reasons why skaters cancel out of events, and would quit snarking at them because of it. It`s like they are only allowed to withdraw from something if he approves it in advance
I heard a rumor that Lysacek was coming to Golden Spin of Zagreb.
I guess the source actually knew something, but it is over now.
Get well Even!
I don't think it would be a surprise, either. Between his health issues and the rapidly increasing standard in men's skating, there's no point in pushing himself if it's not to compete at the highest level internationally.
That said, skaters who don't just announce a comeback and are actually able to follow through deserve a great deal of credit (e.g. Plushenko, Johnny Weir, Shen & Zhao, presumably Yu-Na). It's not at all easy.
As Hersh articles go, this was quite mild.
It would be hard to do axels with a groin injury. Any move that involves swinging your leg up and forward - even scratch spins would be painful and just make it worse. That is the first muscle to hurt when I come back to skating after taking time off.
Evan would put himself in a unnecessary situation if he skips Nationals. I believe that it would give credit to OOT ego claims if he really believes that it would be in his best interest to not compete until next season. Hell; I think skipping the season in general is a poor decision. I dont know if i believe that he's really hurt. Plus if he is it just looks bad considering that earlier he wouldnt compete because of $$$ reasons. If he's well, he should get his butt out there for his own sake
Not that I'm a huge fan of his, but I don't understand any part of this post. He should skate at Nationals even though he's injured because you have a hunch from your earlier magic 8 ball session that he's not actually injured? Because you're worried about fan backlash from claims of overego? Backlash which is, of course, much more worrisome than some groin injury?!? Why not just let him call the shots as he needs to and trust that he knows best what is good for him. I don't understand the need for a conspiracy theory.
Usually an athlete can gradually return to his sport within one to two weeks after a groin injury. Didn't this injury occur even before Skate America?
Link required signing up for something in order to read. Signed up for too many things already. lol
I'd kinda like to meet the person who would have been surprised if he didn't show up for nationals before this article. No, actually, skip that, I wouldn't...
Gradually return to training, or start competing again within 2 weeks?
Depends on the specific injury as well as the sport.
Tell it to Alexei Urmanov, who withdrew from Worlds in March 1997 with a groin injury and was unable to compete again until July 1998.
Hope Evan will rest well and recover fully. He may still have a chance to skate in Sochi 2014 if physically fit soon. Gee... looks like it's common for 'returning athletes' to get injured. Will see how the other returning athletes fare?
Phil Hersh just tweeted about Evan having surgery:
Evan has undergone heria operation and will be off ice for six weeks. With Nationals from Jan 20 - 27th, this would only allow him 3 weeks at most to train his programs to compete.
I see him withdrawing and no return this season.
Lysacek undergoes successful surgery to repair sports hernia - Source, U.S. Figure Skating
Evan Lysacek's plans for a comeback to competitive figure skating this season have been further compromised by a sports hernia.
The latest setback, which required surgery Tuesday, all but ends Lysacek's hopes to compete at January's U.S. Championships.
I feel this is an ongoing trend.... skaters trying to come back after not competing, become injured with career-threatening injuries. Are skaters coming back because there is a lack of a pro circuit as in the days after 1994?? If so, maybe there needs to be some intervention on life after skating and how to be successful in other areas of life?
Michelle Kwan could offer seminars.
I'll honestly be surprised if Evan ever does come back to eligible competition. It would be nice if he did, but yeah, I'll be surprised.
Of course it wouldnt be, just like it would be no shock, actually no surprise whatsoever, if he never competes again. This isnt news to anyone.
if you are a fan of Evan I am not sure why you think it would be nice. I am not an Evan fan, but if I were, I wouldnt want to see a guy who was World and Olympic Champion when he last competed come back and have no chance at any better than say 6th at Worlds, and that is if everything went right.
Boy, aren't you a ray of sunshine. Maybe Evan enjoys competing and pushing himself to the limit. Lots and lots of athletes compete (in fact the vast majority compete) without any hope of actually winning. There is only one winner. Good thing those who aren't sure they'll win keep competing or we wouldn't have competitions to watch.
...and Urmanov was never the same skater after that groin injury. He did not even make the Russian Olympic team, which would have given him a chance to defend his OGM
Well, the reason he didn't make the 1998 Olympic team was that he was still too injured to try.
But in the 1999 season he couldn't beat Yagudin at all and lost to 16-yr-old Plushenko more often than not.
Latest Hersh post: Evan has a sports hernia
Sorry about Nationals. Get well soon, Evan.
That is why I said he was never the same skater again. He never regained his jumps. He was still young enough to develop them, but the injury made it impossible.
I'm sorry there is no longer a professional competitive circuit where skaters like Lysacek, Weir, Kwan and others could flourish.
Instead, skaters who have been away from competition for several years return to the grind of training against a new generation with bigger tricks. The risk of injury (as demonstrated with Evan and Johnny) is a blow to the body as well as the ego.
I agree. It is an injustice to these skaters there is no longer a professional circuit. Well in Kwan's case I am not sure she would have been interested anyway, she seemed to love competing and wanting a wholew new life after that, but people like Evan and Johnny and many others seems to be wondering around not sure what to do when their amateur primes are over.
I think Johnny and Evan need to call it a career. Age and being away from the sport for too long is contributing to these injuries. Add the fact that neither has a quad and the level of jumps has risen since they last skated i think the writing is on the wall.
I agree. I cant see Johnny even coming close to making a U.S World or Olympic team again, let alone being a factor internationally. Evan could possibly get on a major U.S team depending on a number of factors, but is it worth going through all this just to maybe get to a final World or Olympic and come in the top 10 if you are lucky.
When you look at skaters like these (and may be others), it makes me appreciate what Plushenko accomplished at the 2010 Olympics, after being away from competitive skating for three and a half years, and narrowly missing the OGM.
Very true. Safe to say we wont see anyone making a comeback at that age (27 or 28) just for the Olympic year and doing even close to that well again. Evan and Johnny certainly arent going to, if they even carry out their comebacks any further that is. What is more hilarious is people deriving of opinions on Plushenko's abilities based on not winning there, as if any other top skater of his era could return after over 3 years off in their late 20s and do anywhere near as well, and now we are seeing firm evidence other top skaters of his era clearly cant.
ITA. I really miss the professional competitions. I don't care about the cheesefests they have on TV these days. In the 1980s and 1990s the skaters had a chance to develop their skating in other directions, and even compete. Although many of those competitions were mostly fixed, the skaters still had to perform at a certain level. Some skaters like Robin Cousins and Scott Hamilton brought a lot to the art of skating as pros. Paul Wylie really came into his own as an artist after his 1992 Olympic silver medal. Yamaguchi and Boitano motivated themselves to continue doing the difficult jumps even as pros, while they developed their artistry. It's a shame that skaters like Evan and Johnny don't have that option, and they have to consider coming back to eligible skating, while the sport has passed them by.
The cheesefests are terrible. They are appropriately named, that is all they are is the big cheese. They desperately need to bring the pro circuit back somehow. The skaters deserve it and so do the fans.
I agree, RIP.
Totally agree, hopefully someone will restart Champions on Ice which I thought was so much better than SOI. BUT, I have to admit I enjoyed watching the Cheesefests just because it gave me the chance to see most of my favorite skaters in the same show.
well Plushenko is an exception to every rule
Too bad the World Pro Championships, World Team Trophy, Masters of Figure Skating, US Open, and Canadian Open are no longer around.
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