Nikolai Morozov Interview Article

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Jun 30, 2011.

  1. Triple Butz

    Triple Butz Well-Known Member

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    Yuck. The reason most of us watch figure skating is because it's different from other sports. The competitor has the ability to create beauty and make artistic statements. Watching the schlock that Morosov has put together for Miki (who is capable of so much more) is embarrassing to past world champions who put their necks on the line with technical and artistic risks. The fact that Nicolai brags that his skaters can win by ticking off jumps and not trying anything new or interesting is just so :blah: and goes against the entire history of the sport. Yes, winning is an important result, but in our sport, creating a beautifully entertaining program can lead to bigger and better results. Miki has two world titles under her belt, but will either of those programs go down in history like "Bolero" for T/D and all of the other iconic moments in skating? No, Miki won't ever have that with her current coach/choreographer.
     
  2. krenseby

    krenseby New Member

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    Do you sincerely believe that?
     
  3. Jeschke

    Jeschke Well-Known Member

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    the last two seasons should have showed you that. great developement of her, there is surely more to give
     
  4. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

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    He has no puter. Well, at least he won't get caught posting a nude pic of himself on the internet or fall prey to internet hook ups.
     
  5. VarBar

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    Frankly, I don't. To me, Ando reached her limits in terms of growth both technically and artistically, if for no other reason than the fact that Morozov doesn't want to try anything new with her.:(
     
  6. allezfred

    allezfred Papadakis/Cizeron Are World Champions! Wheeeee! Staff Member

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    Probably not a great deal considering I remember massive billboards for "Casino Royale" when I was in Moscow in 2006. :p
     
  7. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    To be honest, I do believe that, but it might be too late for her now. I don't think she's ever topped her "Merry Christmas, Mr. Lawrence" SP http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUuE9rtw0O0
     
  8. Iceman

    Iceman Well-Known Member

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    Yes, Heiss and Wilson were a good combination for Miki and I prefer the costumes she wore then.
     
  9. Sparks

    Sparks Well-Known Member

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    Awwww! I really liked that program.
    I get an uneasy feeling about Miki now...like she's in some sort of trap...I hope I'm wrong. :(
     
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  10. millipied

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    With the amount of hatred towards Morozov in this thread, it should be retitled.
     
  11. Tinami Amori

    Tinami Amori Well-Known Member

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    My opinion in a nut-shell. Western Ango-Saxon culture is more likely to favor heroes’ behavior like Rob Roy and Robin Hood – Humble Reserved almost Silent Hero.

    Many of us (not all) in Russia (I am close to Morozov’s age, but older), grew up with European fiction literature, which has heroes like D’Arthanian, Casanova, Toreador (from Carmen), Don Juans and other flamboyant cavaliers with overt show-off personalities, who conquest and brag... I can make a far fetched case for cultures that are influenced by Protestant vs. Catholic values and practices, Northern European vs. Mediterranean cultures and the behavior of their characters, but that’s another subject…. :D.


    Living in Russia during "soviet days of the 60's and 70's" when the movies came out, I do not recall any campaigns against Fleming or James Bond. On the contrary, we kids and teens saw it as another exciting adventure movies with yet another adventure Hero, no different than Fantomas/FRA, Adventures of Sherlock Holmes/UK, etc… And that’s in Soviet days…… Now after the Wall is gone, it’s even less likely that any links would be made to politics.

    I personally don’t like YK’s “Bond” programme, because I don’t think it’s appropriate for a female athlete to portray a “sex toy” in an official amateur competition (Bond Girls are 007’s sex toys after all). No politics for me……. :D.
     
  12. shine

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    What about the last two seasons? Did I miss something? :confused:
     
  13. Japanfan

    Japanfan Well-Known Member

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    I agree with you that Ando has reached her limits.

    Morozov said in another interview that it was a bit difficult designing programs for Miki because she was primarily a jumper. I agree with that as well and am not sure that it would make any difference even if Morozov did want to try something new with her. Especially at this (late) stage of her career.

    IMO Miki has never connected well with her music. Nonetheless I really admired her when she won her first world title and thought she skated with power and attack in that competition.

    This year she was just the best or 'least bad' of an uninspiring field/final flight. I had no desire to watch her program again, or any others for that matter.
     
  14. FarFarAway

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    Oh dear, that's a prejudice I should say. I've lived 13 years of my life in the USSR and can't remember any campaigns against James Bond movies at all :) On the contrary, these movies were very popular here. Where's the root of these prejudices I wonder:rolleyes:

    Well, I think I should agree with both parts. Although the reason why I don't like Yu-Na is a little bit different.
     
  15. Jenny81

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    That's why i hate him.
    He may be a famous choreographer but not an artist certainly.
    He has no soul. :(

    He and Miki would probably be a good couple. :p
     
  16. Coco

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    Does anyone know the name of the recording that Miki used for this SP?

    I've never been able to find one that sounds like this version. Love it!
     
  17. Ziggy

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    I didn't realise there is somebody who doesn't know that "secret" yet. :D
     
  18. vivika1982

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    It is a beautiful piece . I guess the recording was made for her.
    This is the closest version i was able to found .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZQYg0vjLxE
     
  19. triple_toe

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    That's a bit dramatic, no? :slinkaway
     
  20. aemeraldrainc

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    "You're not working with any Americans at the moment.

    I like to have a very good connection with skaters. That's why it's hard to work [with U.S. skaters]."

    What is he trying to say? It's hard to have a connection with American skaters? Or just a loss in translation?
    I know the interview was conducted in English(as far as anyone can tell) but maybe he just didn't know how to say what he meant better since English is not his primary language. I dunno. Just wondering.
     
  21. VALuvsMKwan

    VALuvsMKwan Wandering Goy

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    Maybe American skaters just aren't that willing to f**k with him. That's the only very good connection I think he's interested in.
     
  22. blue_idealist

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    I thought that's what he was trying to say, too, which I also thought was quite rude.
     
  23. FarFarAway

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    That's quite rude.
    Not worth judging the phrase which has been taken out of almost all context.
     
  24. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    :rofl: :respec:
     
  25. Tinami Amori

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    Are you suggesting that several top Japanese Men and Federation were willing to f**k with Morozov? .....:eek:

    Can I assume from your statement that if a "Russian coach and American skater" do not have the proverbial "connection" then, in your mind, it means that the student is not willing to have sex with the coach?... and that the following break ups happened because Sasha Cohen was not willing to f**k with Tarasova, M. Kwan was not willing to f**k Arthunian?

    Or is it the other proverbial truth, commonly brought up by Russian coaches: American skaters tend to treat coaches like employees, not with the same level of respect for him/her as a Teacher, and Russian coaches expect to be treated like Pygmalions and Zwengalis, and become "creators" like Mishin to Plushenko?

    I think the later is true, given how little respect is shown to the Teacher and the Authority of Teacher in American educational institutions, starting with Elementry School, and all the way to High School.... where students in Publics schools are allow themselves to spit, swear and hit teachers.... (eye witness here......:D)...... where students sit on school-desks, put their legs up on the tables, walk out in the middle of the class without a permission, and text and use cell-phones ....... where parents come and yell at teachers "You are not very good baby-sitters to my child - my 15 year-old lost his text book on the way home and it's your fault"......:rofl:

    I don't think Morozov IN THIS CASE means f**king.... I think he simply does not want to be an "employee" to a kid who grew up with different set of values in regards to an EDUCATOR.
     
  26. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    No Tinami, Morozov simply has a reputation of sleeping with everything that moves, regardless of the gender.
     
  27. VALuvsMKwan

    VALuvsMKwan Wandering Goy

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    Thank you for clarifying my original statement's intent, Ziggy.

    Tinami, the other coaches you referred to appear, at least to me, to have a sense of physical, interpersonal boundaries that they do not cross with their skating students/clients, particularly in public.

    As has been noted here by many more posters than myself on multiple occasions, in the context of several different skaters, Nikolai Morosov does not seem to have ANY sense of such boundaries, whether in the bonds of matrimony or not. The lack of such boundaries gives the appearance of "intimate" intentions and/or feelings toward such skaters.

    My original statement was meant more or less sarcastically, but one does wonder if there is not more truth behind it than we know.
     
  28. Ziggy

    Ziggy Well-Known Member

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    I would like to clarify that my statement is obviously based largely on gossip.

    But then, gossip aside, we know for sure of Morozov's intimate involvement with some skaters he worked with. Bourne and Ando to name two.
     
  29. VarBar

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    Really? I had no idea. Then what kind of values does he teach his students as an EDUCATOR?:confused:
     
  30. overedge

    overedge where's the remote?

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    Which kind of contradicts Morozov's statement that Rippon was "happy" working with him.