NFL thread. Because I feel so lost without one!

Discussion in 'Other Sports' started by Badams, Sep 6, 2012.

  1. Lacey

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    Steve Sabol, 69, son of Ed Sabol, the originator and creator in 1962 of NFL Films, died yesterday of brain cancer he had been battling since 2011. Steve was apparently the creative force in the company, in fact, he was one of the earliest cameramen in the group. Steve personally received 35 Emmys for writing, editing, directing, cinematography, and producing. He incorporated wireless microphones and slow motion replays into the television film editions. He also conceived of "NFL Bloopers." Although baseball had previously been the most popular American sport, Steve's and his father's company, originally based in Philadelphia and recently out of Mt. Laurel, NJ, brought American football to the front of US sports entertainment. For vocal interest, Steve used local television personality John Facenda's booming voice and continued with the distinct words of baseball commentator Harry Kalas, both legends in their own time. Steve assumed control of the company, NFL Films, when his dad, who survives him, semiretired.
  2. milanessa

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  3. Rob

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    Ugh day for DC sports.

    But nothing as awful as Raven's WR and former Terp Torrey Smith losing his 19 yr old little brother in a motorcycle accident this morning. Devastating. He went home for part of the afternoon, rejoined the team, played the game and scored 2 touchdowns. Tough as nails.
  4. KHenry14

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    The replacement ref's had a horrible day. The 49ers almost stole a game from the Vikes due to an incredilby bad ruling. And there were horrible calls littered all over Sunday. Frankly the integrity of the Game is now being threatened, and at this point the NFL MUST make a deal with the regular ref's to get them back ASAP.
  5. Debbie S

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    He was amazing. :respec: Phew, that game was scary at times. I had flashbacks to last year's AFC Champ game when the kicker went out, and when it started to go wide, I think I stopped breathing for a few secs, lol. But they beat the curse. ;) Congrats to the Ravens on figuring out how to score before the game got out of hand and for coming back to win!

    :D
  6. Yehudi

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    But Spiller is now out :mad:
  7. milanessa

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    :( I know. Maybe only for a week, though.
  8. Rob

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    Yes they do. Every game I saw yesterday had horrible calls.
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    Horrible, horrible call (even after review) in the last few seconds of the Packers/Seattle game. :eek: Gave the win to the Seahawks. These temp referees are :yikes:
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    If people were complaining about the refs before...yikes. :yikes: What an ending to Green Bay versus Seattle! :eek:
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  11. jeffisjeff

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    We've reached new levels of :rofl: , :rolleyes: , :eek: , :mad: and :wuzrobbed.
  12. Veronika

    Veronika gold dust woman

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    There are no words for this Packer fan... :fragile: :fragile: :fragile:
  13. Cyn

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    I'm a day late here, but :cheer2: for the Atlanta Falcons! :biggrinbo

    Of course, they'll probably do their usual thing when they don't suck from the get-go, which is have a kickass regular season, only to completely tank as soon as the playoffs begin :wall:

    Sometimes it's really difficult being a fan of Atlanta's professional sports teams :drama:.
  14. Coco

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    So many commentators are saying, "it appears," "it seems," "apparently," etc.

    How about - "wow, Jennings intercepted the ball, then Tate, fresh off of shoving the Packer in front out of the way, snuck his hands in there and they called it a catch for Tate."

    Is there any other way to describe what happened? I mean, you can see Tate grab Jennings arm first, then reach again to try to get the ball that Jennings already had in his possession.
  15. milanessa

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    Nope, that's what happened. Stupid, stupid call.
  16. KHenry14

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    It's just a disgrace that the NFL has allowed it's product to be corrupted like this. The players risk so much to play the game, the league has a Debt of Honor to them to ensure a level playing field. Instead, they are allowing this sham of a game to happen and the results are what we saw last night. And this just doesn't impact the Seahawks and Packers, it impacts the other teams in their respective divisions. Which goes to the integrity of the game itself.

    BTW, watch the NFL try to spin this as a "simultaneous catch" and insult our intelligence in the process.
  17. Vash01

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    The ending of the Packers-Seahawks game was the ultimate disgrace for what used to be the best pro league. The ending is drawing a lot of ire for the obvious reason, but even earlier in the game a Packer defensive player was incorrectly called for PI when the offensive player should have drawn the PI penalty. It did not need a slo mo review; it was so obvious, just like that last play- it was an interception, and not a TD.

    The NFL is trying to do CYA by saying the Packers should have won because of the offensive PI on the last play, but that it was not reviewable according to rules. That is correct, but what is shocking is that even after reviewing the officials gave the TD to the Seahawks.

    I am not a Packers fan, even remotely. However, I am upset with the outcome of this game. It threatens the integrity of the game.

    This was not the only one though. Earlier, the 49rs were awarded two challenges by these refs, which they should not have. In game 1 of the season, Seattle (again!) was awarded a time out they did not have. Fortunately for the Cardinals it did not change the outcome of the game.

    When the refs start deciding the outcome of the game (intentionally or due to incompetence), it is time to stop and look and listen- Roger Goodell, I hope you are doing that and end the strike quickly. The amount involved is miniscule (3.3 million) when compared with the multi-billion dollar organization- the NFL.

    I don't like to change the outcome of the game after it's over, but in this case it will be fair to award the win to Green Bay- not because the officials missed the offensive PI, but because they missed the interception and called it a simultaneous possession and a TD. Anyone could tell it was not a simultaneous possession. Jennings clearly caught the interception and Tate only pretended to have a share of that catch.
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  19. BigB08822

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    When do you have to begin worrying about the players sitting out? Why should they put their bodies on the line for a sport that isn't even being called correctly? What is the point?
  20. KHenry14

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    Too much money at stake for the players to sit out I'm afraid.

    And it's no fun to report that I was correct that the league would insult our intelligence by proclaiming it a legal catch. Every sports talk show in the country is mocking that proclimation, and even show's like the "today" show were talking about it. And despite this public relations nightmare, the league is hanging tough on the negotiations. <sigh>

    BTW, evidently there were over 70,000 telephone calls of protest into NFL headquarters in the last 24 hours. Yet they are unmoved...
  21. flyingsit

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    I think the players' collective bargaining agreement probably doesn't allow for them to sit out en masse.

    It would be interesting to see some kind of coordinated action, however, like maybe every team doing a kneel-down on the first play of next weekend's game.
  22. Vash01

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    The only thing that will move them is hurting their pocketbooks but we know it's not going to happen.
  23. Cyn

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    Looks like the lockout is over!!

    Refs Due Back Thursday Night (ESPN Article)

  24. Theatregirl1122

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    "The call at the end of the game was totally right!... in other news, we coincidentally solved the lockout!" Mhmmm.
  25. Vash01

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    If something good came out of something bad- at least the NFL felt the pressure to end the lockout soon.

    OTOH I am wondering if the outcome of this game will hurt or help the teams involved at the end of the season? One win/loss CAN make a difference in the NFL. Seattle could edge out my Cardinals for a wildcard spot, or Green Bay could lose their home field advantage in one or more of the playoff games- it may even lose a wild card spot. The only way to avoid that kind of situation would have been for the NFL to admit the mistake and reverse the outcome of the game that was already over.
  26. Veronika

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    I wish they could reverse the outcome--it would be unprecedented, but the NFL has already admitted that the Packers should have won based on the fact that offensive pass interference should have been called. :wall:

    I'd be fine with a tie at this point. :slinkaway
  27. Vash01

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    Typically the NFL and even the teams don't argue too much about a PI toward the end of the game; it's often a subjective call and it's non-reviewable. What made a lot of people irate was not the PI call but the refusal of the NFL to admit mistake on the actual catch at the end. The Packers player clearly caught the ball with two hands, came down with it, held it close to his chest while the Seahawk player was only keeping one hand on the ball, and trying to pull it away from the Packer. It was not a simultaneous possession; many experts have said that, and yet the NFL said in its statement that it was simultaneous possession, instead of admitting that the officials made the wrong call, even after reviewing that play.

    A tie will not be fair either, because GB clearly won that game. If the Seahawks player had 50% share of that catch, I think the only complaints would have been about the PI non-call, and there are plenty of those even by regular refs, particularly on a hail-mary. This call was so blatantly wrong that the NFL should have at least admitted the mistake, even if they did not change the outcome of the game.
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  29. galaxygirl

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    Buffalo?
  30. milanessa

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    Yes X 1000. :wuzrobbed:
  31. galaxygirl

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    Sorry. :(
  32. Badams

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    :wall::fragile:
  33. Yehudi

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    you'd think we'd be used to it by now.
  34. milanessa

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    It doesn't hurt less, though, does it? :(
  35. jenny12

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    Awww, I thought the Giants would pull it out at the end. Oh well. It's probably better (considering recent history) for them to get off to a slow start.
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  37. jenny12

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    What an incredibly horrific night for Tony Romo! :yikes:
  38. Vash01

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    It was unbearable to watch. I changed the channel. Are the Cowboys really this bad offensively or are the Bears really that good? In the 3rd Q, after the Dallas defense gave their offense ball on the Bears' 35 yd line, the very first pass by Romo was intercepted. Truly disgusting.
  39. flyingsit

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    I guess he was doing his Jay Cutler impersonation.
  40. jenny12

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    Yeah, although it looked like Jay Cutler did his own Jay Cutler impersonation when he was ignoring his offensive coordinator on the sideline. However, that probably was the best game he ever played. The Dallas Cowboy's weak-sauce defense probably had a lot to do with it though.

    The Bears are quite good defensively, but usually their offense holds them back. Cutler did well last night, but I'm not confident he can keep it up.