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Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by cholla, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. VarBar

    VarBar Well-Known Member

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    Then what is the role of Lambiel going to be in the preparation of Amodio for next season? Showing Florent how he should skate to Morozov's choreographies?;) Lambiel is too nice, really. But maybe he will help Amodio with the spins though.
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    Yes, it could be that he is going to help with spins. Amodio has good speed in his spins, but he almost never manages to get level 4 (something to do with the positions?). I can't quite imagine Stephane helping with anything else - their styles are too different. Choreography would be something else, as a choreographer has to be able to work for skaters with very different styles, so such a collaboration would be good for Lambiel. But I don't see that happening either.
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    Amodio said in the interview that he would be working on choreography & technique with Lambiel & Yagudin & that this was all with the agreement of Morozov. So I think Lambiel is definitely going to help with the programs - it's something they've both mentioned as a possibility since 2010. Amodio hasn't just used Morozov as his choreographer since he moved to him, his former main coach Bernard Glesser has been involved a lot too, particularly with his programs from 2011-12 season, so I think there's a reasonable chance that if Lambiel does do the choreography Morozov won't mess too much with it.
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    You ask me what Lambiel and Amodio think his role will be or what it will actually be in the end, and what of his work we eventually will see? Because there might be some difference between those. :)

    All Amodio has mentioned is that he is going to work with Lambiel and Yagudin, on technical sides with the one and on choreography with the other (this is the order he names them and their roles, but it's quite obvious who is the "one" and who is the "other"). We don't know for how long and how much they will work. But it definitely won't hurt to mention them for PR reasons, right?

    I don't really believe Morozov will let Stéphane choreograph the whole program. Or, let's say it this way, I don't believe Florent will really skate what Stéphane has choreographed for him. Because even with Takahashi, the only one who came with "other" choreographies, in the end Morozov left his distinctive mark.

    What can be Lambiel's role? I don't think that working on spins can be called "work on the choreography" Amodio has mentioned, but it might be that Stéphane will help him with those too. I think, more or less it will be similar to what happened to Ten's programs this season and to the programs of Mishin's students last season when Stéphane worked in Mishin's summer camp. Stéphane calls it "adding his fragrance". And, yes, you can call it "showing how to skate to someone's choreo" (this is exactly what he did with Lori's choreo for Denis Ten). And, yes, Stéphane is really nice indeed. ;) This will be the best case scenario, when all the sides know exactly that only "fragrance" will be used.

    The worst case will be that Stéphane will indeed work on the choreography of the whole program, but then it will be ripped off anything interesting by Morozov, some typical pseudo-sexy Amodio's movements will be added back, the program will have nothing to do with him but Stéphane's name will be used in every occasion for PR. This is exactly what happened to Tuktamysheva's program. And I have a feeling something rather similar can happen again.
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    Absolutely my thought. Florent and Morozov seem to love lobbying. IMO, they will work with Lambiel for 4 days. And they will put his name, lol
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    ;) I wasn't asking you but actually trying to phrase in the form of a question my own view of what Lambiel's contribution would most likely consist in and I notice you and I seem to be on the same page.:D

    Yagudin helped Amodio with the jumps just a couple of times in the past and I have my doubts he and Amodio will be working together other than sporadically but if they think that adding to the Résumé some big names of figure skating will impress the judges and will result in higher GOEs on the jumps and better transitions/choreography marks and if the big names don't mind being used for strictly PR purposes, let them go for it.:kickass:

    I wouldn't underestimate the effect of sexy moves on female audiences.;)
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    Hence the difference between the good and the bad scenarios I wrote above. :)

    Oh, I don't underestimate the effect. I just don't want to see them in the program "labelled" as "choreographed by Stéphane Lambiel".
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    Apparently the FFSG is bringing back Stars Sur Glace next year (more pics here). I don't know if it'll be a one-time farewell tour type thing or if it'll be an annual tour.

    And that looks like a Yretha Silete sighting during the announcement :)
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    mella is lutz crazy!!!

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    Wow! This would be great. I went to Nice back in 2006 and I have really good memories of that trip. I tried a couple of times after that but couldn't make the dates work. A little SSG trip (and maybe an AoI one) could cheer me up if I don't make it to Worlds next year.
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Very obliging of Brian to show his chest right off the bat. ;)

    I wish my French were good enough to actually understand what they're saying...
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    You made me look... :p You know, Nathalie was there so everyone had to showcase good marketing skills ;) (she has a marketing degree)
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    The journalist says: A casual meeting and an another point of view of figure skating. Few days ago all the champions gather in Bercy, one year before the Game of Sochi the mood is great
    The lady voice says: Far from the spotlights, privileged meeting with the skaters of team France.
    Then Nathalie and Florent noticed Brian outfit
    Brian : No violence it's holidays (just for the rhyme it doesn't mean anything)
    Nathalie: We kisses again because there is the camera
    Brian laughs and says: yes exactly. Well when does it begin?
    lady voice: Paris Bercy a meeting for happy few, little show on the ice and good atmosphere
    The skater on the zamboni says it's not me, someone obliged me.
    Nathalie: you see we are a bit kaput soo..
    Florent: it's the end of the season
    Nathalie: Fabian is recovering, we make the new programs, it takes a lot of time but it's less intense. We are preparing for Sochi
    Voice: End of season of everybody and presentation, for some of them, of the after-Sochi show. A reason to be together after a stormy season. Brian Joubert, ninth of the last WC just come back from Tokyo after the GPF, already set in Olympic mood, his last Game.
    Brian: I need to enjoy every days in practice and every competition, but I have no doubts, I feel that next season will be good.
    Voice: Moments to skate with the audience and to not forget the misunderstandings of last year. The back injury of Florent Amodio, 12th in the WC and Fabian's injury who deprive our dancer of the world podium.
    Nathalie: The lesson is...
    Florent: Roll on next year
    Nathalie: Exactly, we will give everything next year, everything that we cannot give this time, it's for next year. Nothing is lost, everything transforms (quote from Lavoisier. don't know the English translation)
    Fabian, pointing Daria and one of the mens: this two are great together.
    Voice: So that's a beautiful France' Team happy and united with a big potential for next year, for sure.
    Nathalie: It's not a team, it's some friends who share the same passion. So it's more than a team. We love each other that's all, no no I'm too old to say :"on se kiffe" so we love each other very much

    My translation skill is very poor, so excuse me if I made some mistakes
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    Interview with Florent Amodio (Russian):
    http://www.morozov-team.com/article/96.html

    To our discussion above:

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  16. VarBar

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    As was to be expected.
    Thanks, reut.
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    P/B new programme theatrical lot's of emotions colourful nice lines speed and the most beautiful story in the world !:)
    Sounds intriguing.Nathalie/Fabian what teases ;)
    Any ideas anyone ?
    Thank's reut for the link !
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    The magazine Doppio Axel posted on its facebook page that their Free Dance was on the music of The Little Prince, but they stated that it was just a rumour so I don't know whether it's true or not.
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    Little Prince, which, btw, was published 70 years ago this year ;)
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    I would like to see them do a program to Little Prince, who remembers Stanick Jeannette's? It was awesome and IIRC the choreography was done by Gwendal Peizerat.
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    What year was this please will check it out on YT ?
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    DORISPULASKI Watching submarine races

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    I'm not sure this picture really qualifies as news, but I had to put it somewhere ;)
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    I saw it live in EM in Malmö, an it was a masterpiece. It suited to Jeannette so well.
    I do believe that t it is a good choice for them. And I recommend to book for everyone, it is a great read.
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    I agree: that performance, Denkova/Staviyski's CDs -- there were still two back then :wuzrobbed -- seeing the soft blades of Poykio and Kettunen for the first time, and the excitement for Berntsson were the highlights of Malmo for me.

    If P/B's program is even half as inspired as Jeanette's, it will be wonderful.
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    Some news about Joubert and his rink in Poitiers: http://www.lanouvellerepublique.fr/...2/Le-Stade-Poitevin-retrouve-sa-glace-1503622

    * The rink closed for a year and is supposed to re-open partially to competitive skaters mid-September
    *Veronique Guyon was let go when the rink closed and found a job in Cognac. There was a dispute about her release but it looks like she should get her old job back.
    * Joubert said: "I would rather train in Poitiers than in Paris"
    * Joubert is keeping gladiator but he is currently doing changes to the LP
    *Maxim Staviski is going to do the SP. Maxim picked a music that Brian liked but has other musics to show him too. He is not necessarily looking for fast rhythms but for something powerful.
    *The last quote of the article: "I work very well with Katia (Krier) in Paris but I'd rather train in Poitiers. I could go back to Veronique, but there are still a lot of things to work on in Poitiers. It is a decision to take with the French Fed. What matters is to be serious wherever the location may be."
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  28. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Re-posting an interview with Joubert (in Russian) and videos from the Denis Ten shows in KAZ thread:
    More videos are posted here (many photo links are posted throughout this thread as well): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...tskaya-etc-)&p=3933009&viewfull=1#post3933009
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    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    GP assignments for the French skaters as of June 3:

    SKATE AMERICA (Oct. 18-20, Detroit, Michigan)
    Brian Joubert, Mae Berenice Meite, James/Cipres, Carron/Jones

    CUP OF CHINA (Nov. 1-3, Beijing)
    Florent Amodio; Popova/Massot; Pechalat/Bourzat, Carron/Jones

    NHK TROPHY (Nov. 8-10, Tokyo)
    Chafik Besseghier

    TROPHEE ERIC BOMPARD (Nov. 15-17, Paris)
    Florent Amodio, Romain Ponsart, TBA
    Lenaelle Gilleron-Gorry (GP debut), Mae Berenice Meite, Yretha Silete
    James/Cipres, TBA
    Pechalat/Bourzat, TBA

    ROSTELECOM CUP (Nov. 22-24, Moscow)
    Brian Joubert, Papadakis/Cizeron (GP debut)
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    Good luck to Papadakis/Cizeron they have great potential :)
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    As of today (or actually mid-June since it's retroactive), Tiffany Zahorski is both British and French. Bienvenue Tiff !! ;)
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    That is a really cute interview, I am looking forward to seeing them compete! I also remember seeing Amani in Oberstdorf when she was younger, so much energy.
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    Is Brian Joubert going for tango ?
    (not overly original for men, but surprising, coming from Joubert)
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    Joubert's music at the Courchevel Gala seems to be Libertango. Another piece Yagudin too used for one of his show programs.:D
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  36. Zemgirl

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    Thanks, Nmsis. I hope Joubert isn't seriously considering a tango SP. It's a departure from his usual, but not in a good way, I think. I haven't watched any of the videos as the quality seems rather poor, but is it possible that the gala just had a tango theme?

    ETA: I now see that apparently this will indeed be the SP.

    You would think that nobody else in the history of skating had ever skated to Libertango (I had no idea Yagudin had even done a Libertango program, actually).

    Yagudin skated to some fairly popular pieces of music in his career (e.g. Carmen, Tosca, MITIM, Snowstorm) and since his retirement. It's hardly surprising that other skaters will make similar choices at one point or another; let's just be happy that none have skated to One Banana :p. If Joubert did nothing but skate to music identified with Yagudin, or even if he mostly did that, I'd understand this sort of comment - but he hasn't.
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  37. VarBar

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    There might be many who skated to Libertango, however I can only remember Griazev in men's skating. If Joubert is still working with Denkova/Staviski, maybe they suggested this music to him though as they too had a program set to Libertango a few years ago. It was a show number for D/S.

    Joubert using in the past four years four different pieces Yagudin also skated to would make anyone suspicious, I assume. Knowing that Yagudin is Joubert's idol in figure skating.

    http://alexeiyagudin.narod.ru/images/yagudin74.jpg

    http://photography.ice-dance.com/2010-11/cache/2011Euros/Bonus/MF/11Eur-MF-0294-BJ-LC_450.jpg
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    I'm not even sure that's Libertango - I didn't really watch the video except for the very beginning, but I've read reports that it's actually other pieces by Piazzolla? Maybe someone else can confirm.

    I think Verner has had a section from Libertango in a program. It was also DenStavs' OD when they won Worlds, not just a show number.

    I would estimate that including galas, Joubert has skated to upwards of 40 different pieces of music in his very long career, possibly more, and I can't even begin to guess how many different programs Yagudin has done. I think a certain degree of overlap is to be expected, especially considering that there are, indeed, some stylistic similarities (although Yags was more inclined to use classical warhorses in competition). Picking music previously used by high-profile skaters happens all the time in skating, and I just don't see why Joubert should be singled out - how is it different from all the ladies who admire Michelle Kwan skating to music that she'd used over the years? BTW, if memory serves, Yagudin has even skated to music that had already been used by Joubert ;)

    KvdP made a good point about using "Yagudin's music" (something he did several times in his career), noting that "it's called The Man in the Iron Mask, not Yagudin in the Iron Mask". Yags has been retired from competition for more than a decade, I think that's long enough to put his music back into circulation. Except for Winter, and I'd be shocked if anyone uses that, as it is truly a signature program.

    As for the costume: the original version of the shirt was gray. The red version was used once and discarded, at Worlds that year Joubert wore something else. He doesn't seem to be very involved in the design process and has skated in borrowed costumes, too.
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  39. marysy

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    The first part of the piece is from Oblivion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZo_4pm6L_0
    Second part is from Concierto Para Quinteto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DodZQsrttw4
    They're both from the violinist Gidon Kremer's album Hommage à Piazzolla.
    Lovely music selections!

    For Brian, a vast improvement over the Genesis SP of the last two seasons, if for no other reason than the fact that it would present a more mature side of his skating that wouldn't involve hip thrusting on center ice. Going outside his usual electronic/film music could work, and at least on paper I think this is more suitable for him than that Beethoven FS a few years back, though whether it's a successful program will ultimately depend on whether he himself is comfortable with it. I have watched the video, but the quality is so poor that I'll reserve judgment until we can get a clearer look.
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  40. Zemgirl

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    Well then I guess the whole discussion about Libertango was academic anyway. I know that B/A used the second one, but I can't recall who else - presumably some other dance teams in the tango OD season? Oblivion of course is more poplar.

    I wasn't a fan of the previous SP, either, so hopefully this will work better - I just hope for his sake that the judges will go along with something non-electronic for him, and that this isn't another Beethoven/Inception situation in which he talks up a new program only to report later that it never really felt right. I think all the skaters who will be retiring post-Sochi should enjoy themselves on the ice in their final season.