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Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by cholla, Oct 7, 2012.

  1. cholla

    cholla Fearless Musher

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    From last thread :

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    Like Skatak, I haven't noticed any desynchronization when watching them live but I have to watch the videos now. Their programs, especially the FD, still needs work, and they are well aware of that.
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    This is such a rough season: while they don't have to be worried about earning spots for France for the Olympics, since there's no third team right for whom it would be a shame if they missed out in 2014, everything skaters do this year is scrutinized and analyzed for how it will play out in Sochi. Ugh.
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    Was Alexis Miart the one who suffered an injury which forced them to withdraw from competitions last season or was it Tiffany who was injured?
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    Recap and some quotes from Brian and Florent at Passion Patinage after the LP: http://www.passion-patinage.com/?p=4577

    Short summary of results of P/B, Brian, Florent with a few quotes from L'Equipe: http://www.lequipe.fr/Patinage-artistique/Actualites/Des-debuts-prometteurs/318011

    Not directly about Masters, but an interview with Annick Dumont about training Brian: http://www.lanouvellerepublique.fr/.../Articles/2012/10/08/DUMONT-AUX-JO-AVEC-BRIAN

    Joubert is planning on staying with Dumont as a coach, though they are in contact with Guyon. One of the commentators during the Masters broadcast said that he's spending one day a week at Bercy, presumably with Katia Krier.

    Is Alex Zahradnicek planning on representing France? He was invited to compete at Masters. If so, what's the connection? (Isn't he American?)
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    L'Equipe also ran a short interview with Amodio, about his plans, working with Morozov and training alongside Takahashi.

    I think so. Wasn't he hanging around in Poitiers a few months back? This must have been in the works for a while, though what advantage there is for the FFSG in bringing him over, I have no idea.
  8. cholla

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    It seems he's planning that, yes. The only connection so far, seems to be French former elite skater Vincent Restencourt who's his coach along with Priscilla Hill.
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    I love P/B's free dance music, this is so refreshing and modern, the Rolling Stones are probably one of the rare musics that is pretty "old" now but that is not has been. Something great can be done on this music. And P/B are probably a pair that can really connect to this music very well.
    The problem, IMO, from what at saw, is that the music choice and cuts are bad, well, not at my taste at least, and they don't bring any emotion. And it's only because the program is brand new and need adjustments, it's because the choreography and rythms changes don't bring any emotion.
    I'm afraid that with that kind of program judges will easily give the leads to americans or canadiens who will shine with their brilliant technic and precision with scirsors made choreography. On the contrary P/B's dance looks to messy to me. And I don't like the music cut, it starts with a weird rythm on wich they don't skate to the same bit, that makes it looks either slow (because of the music) or too fast (because of the moves that are too fast for the music). The slow part is nice though. And the last part, well, they missed it, so it's hard to get a real feeling about that.
    But overall, eventhough there is a lot of improvements possible, I'm afraid that there is actually too much improvement needed to make it works and it leaves the door opened for other pairs to pass them.
    To me all will depend on what others do, wether they do very well or not. But P/B didn't put all chances in their side.
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    I love her skirt.
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    OMG I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE that SD :)
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    Good to hear that Brian Joubidoo is staying with Annick (with a bit of support from Veronique) ... they had worked together a bit anyway during Salt Lake City (more than 10 years ago:eek:) so hopefully they will get on in the run-up to Sochi.

    Brian seems to be the sort of guy who needs some strong woman to give him a kick :kickass: in the a** now and then (not that he is not motivated) and sort him out. His long programme this year (which I understand he wishes to keep for Sochi) is very beautiful and emotional ... wonder why people haven't commented on it.

    Go Brian :rollin:
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    Maybe they haven't seen it yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crlbwp16YJQ

    I like it as well. Finally a great program for him!
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    P/B's SD is vastly preferable to their FD :) And the costumes are much better, too.

    People haven't commented on Amodio's programs in this thread, either - and not everyone watches French Masters ;) I like Joubert's LP and think it has a lot of potential. Obviously you have to edit out the mistakes and try to picture it with more difficult elements, but the program itself is lovely and better than the others he's had in recent years.

    I was pleasantly surprised that he chose to use only Time from the Inception soundtrack, as it's softer and less in-your-face than some of the other tracks.
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    It's a travesty people don't watch the French Masters! One of the most important competitions of the year! :cool:
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    They have worked together much more recently than that. In Courchevel in summer for instance. There, she was his only coach for a while. Don't remember if it was 2 or 3 summers ago, but it was a temporary solution during one of his umpteenth changes of coach.

    To be fair, until now, Masters weren't televised so it was hard for people to watch it other than live at the rink ;) I assume the "most important competition of the year" is ironical :lol: It's a test, nothing else. Most of skaters are usually not ready (for the exception of Juniors who've already competed at JPGs).
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  19. Evilynn

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    P&B's SD is fab. :smokin: The FD looked messy (the second half in particular), but it's early days yet. I do wish they'd pick either Sympathy for the Devil or Start Me Up and stick to it, because those ~10 seconds of Sympathy for the Devil sounded *very* random. I think I prefer Sympathy, but that might be because it's my favourite Stones song. ;)
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    You think Annick Dumont is a strong woman ? More than Veronique Guyon ? :eek:
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    As usual I find their SDs superior to their FDs. One of my biggest problems with their FD is the soundtrack. I also find it both :lol: and :confused: that they chose to end their FD with Start Me Up. The way the music relates (or rather doesn't relate) to their movements makes it seem as if it's just background noise.

    I still think they'll skate it well by Worlds and the strength of their SD will help them.
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    They both appear to be strong women :cool:

    I always love seeing Annick's reactions at the kiss and cry ... and her commentary for France Television is quite good also ... she's v. supportive of the skaters and always shouts "ALLEZ, BRIAN" ... "ALLEZ, VANESSA", "ALLEZ ALLEZ"

    And the cameraman always seems to love her. :cool:
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    But that doesn't mean she is near the skaters during their preparation, and that doesn't mean she is able to find the best in each skater, or doing the best choices for them. Really, Veronique Guyon was the only one who tried to kick Brian's ass.
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    ^^ That. And he really needs some serious :kickass: to work properly and sometimes just to work. Guyon feared no one and wasn't close to anyone in particular at FFSG, so she had her hands free (as much as you can have your hands free with FFSG, that is !) She is a strong opinionated woman and so is Dumont. What happen behind closed doors must sometimes be epic ! :argue: :lol:
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    Who choreographed Brown's program?
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    I usually love their FDs too (ok, not the one from last year, but anyone doing Walk Like An Egyptian-arms to middle eastern music grates on my nerves like nails against a blackboard), but I'm not convinced by the final music cuts. I found Start Me Up at the end a little odd too, but I'm going to take it on good faith it's on purpose. :lol:

    Also, I don't know who did that People are Strange cover, but it sure wasn't the The Door's original.
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    I think it's Jimmy Somerville's cover.
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    P/B's SD is amazing.
    simply a masterpiece.
    It can and will compete with any other SD. Second to none , I doubt that any other pair can/will do a better job.
    As for the FD - not perfect (yet) , but we need to see how the judges will look at it.
    The music transitions are working, they are not bad at all, the chemistry will come, and it will be perfect, we can trust them....
    Good luck
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    I agree with all of this .:)

    At the end of the short dance I thought maybe they had run out of steam a little as the music seemed to be running ahead of them but I'm sure with practice that will come.
    It sure is original and very exciting .
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    F/B's SD reminds me of Delsheos's OD in Vancouver! I love this quality of F/B:D One thing you can always rely on F/B with is that they keep making things interesting and original!
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    Heh. Fabian/Bourzat is indeed a charmer.
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    Watching this SD compared to their FD feels like I am watching different skaters. It's fabulous. I wish Natalie had a bit more extension and flexibility in her kicks and legs but I'm being nit picky. It seems nobody is supportive of their FD this year. I think they should scrap it and start anew. I know it's risky but I think it needs to be done. Weaver and Poje have a pretty great and mature FD and it can challenge them. P and B are IMO better skaters still but that FD is just not good. If I were the, I would bring back Chaplin or do a blues number and try and keep as much of the Rolling Stones choreography as they can. This FD is beneath them and I think no where near as good as their last two programmes.
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    Once again I'm in opposite land, as I actually don't hate the FD completely, but I do find the SD disappointing. The slow can-can music for the Polka compulsory is just odd, and the way the music finally speeds up only to end a few seconds later is anti-climactic. Also, the moves at the end have no power or impact. Meh.

    I was expecting to despise the FD, but the first section is actually surprisingly good, as they move out with crispness and power and really seem into the music. The exit to the first rotational lift was as secure and snappy as I've seen them do, and the footwork sequences are incredibly fluid and smooth. It's just the rest of the program that isn't there yet. A music reedit is definitely needed.
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    That first rotational is great and reminds me of a V/M lift :p
    Angie section is fab as I said before last section is poor but that could just have been because of the mistake and so lost the flow.
    I love the dance it's going to get better :kickass:

    Going back to an old programme say CC is a bad idea it was never .successful for skaters in the past eg D/V .
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    I thought the can-can part was weirdly slow and that the program ended abruptly too. But after I read the rave reviews, I figured I was crazy.
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    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Why is it that this never happens when people actually want it? Remember how everyone loved their Time FD originally, and then it was re-cut to add RFAD? :lol: I can think of examples like that, but none where people actually wanted the music re-cut and it was!
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    Please, don't remind me this awful part of figure skating history !
    I loved, really really loved their first programme to Time. Why did they recut it ???
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    Oops...just saw the autocorrect mistake in my previous post. I meant who choreographed Brian's program?
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    Denkova / Staviski if I'm not mistaken.