New U.S. Pair: Rockne Brubaker & Lindsay Davis

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Sylvia, Feb 19, 2013.

  1. reese

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    Oh aftershocks, have you ever met a reply to which you didn't overreact? If so, I've yet to see it here or in any other thread. My comment was based on a first-hand, on-site account of Rockne during his last year skating w/ MBM (hence the :sekret: icon), but I will defer to your careful consideration of tweets and tv interviews.
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    ^^ What an overreaction. ;) No need to defer either. And my perceptions are not based on tweets in any case, just what I initially mentioned.


    BCooper's perceptions make more sense to me than that of your :sekret: first-hand, on-site account ...

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  3. NadineWhite

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    Holy Smokes, thanks for finding this micronrd! :cool:

    They are going to literally R-O-C-K!!!!:respec::kickass:
  4. aftershocks

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    ^^ To my eyes, they certainly rock in that Enticement performance with Felicia Beck! Good luck to Rockne and Lindsay.
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    Just stop replying to her. Jesus Christ.
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  6. Iceman

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    It doesn't help that cause when the article has a picture of him only.
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    Not knowing Rockne personally, I have no idea whether he has a big ego or puts undue pressure on his partners. Having said that, he seemed to have a very successful junior career with Mariel Miller that only ended because she got bit by the puberty bug. I also thought that there were way too many outside expectations about his partnership with Keauna. Having seen her skate with other partners, I always had doubts about her ability to master senior-level pair skills. I don't know what happened with MBM but I generally dislike huge age-gaps between pairs skaters, I didn't help that she looked much younger than her stated age.
  8. Ziggy

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    MBM has always struggled with the pressure in competitions and generally looked miserable. It wasn't very surprising to see her move on.
  9. figureit

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    On the main article not the front announcement I went back and looked and they split screened like D/C and Y/R just curious after you said this. You are correct..on the main article they only put him and on the main articles of D/C and Y/R it was split screen with new partners.....
  10. madm

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    Not everyone has the fortitude and desire to go to the Olympics. Just because Keauna and Mary Beth called it quits does not mean that there is something wrong with Rockne (or with them). On the contrary, Rockne has many admirable traits and seems to be a genuinely nice guy. Clearly MBM did not want to pursue it and perhaps was bothered by the intense pressure of the situation. She has completely dropped out of sight since leaving the partnership - is she skating now at all? Keauna lost her desire to skate anymore, was fed up with the training regimen and diet restrictions, and just wanted to be a normal teenager. Nothing wrong with that.

    It is extremely important that both partners on a pair team share the same goals. If Lindsay has the same drive and passion as Rockne to strive for an Olympic spot, then I believe the team has a good chance to succeed. They will both be willing to put in the work necessary to achieve their goals.
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    USFSA has always had a love affair with Rockne..." A good looking guy that's straight!" Notice how they always plaster his face at Nationals even when he is not competing...and the ridiculous " Ryan Bradley / Rockney bromance promo video played during ice cuts at Nats...

    IMO the girl he skates with is secondary...they just want him in the game for promotion.
  12. Skittl1321

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    Keauna definetly did! I think she was beyond devestated when they didn't make it- they were the by far pairs favorite that year, and in Coke Olympic spots! I really think that contributed to her losing her desire to skate.

    I think if he had found a long term partner right after Keauna left, Rockne may have been the US's great hope. But I think it has been too long since he was the top pairs guy to throw all the eggs into that basket. I'd love for him and Lindsay to do well, but we'll see. Kind of the same with Caitlyn- when she lost her partner, I think she was the best pairs girl in the US, but I really don't know where she is now. Past success can't be extrapolated into future results.
  13. stjeaskategym

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    Keauna only had one other partner before Rockne, and that was at 10 yrs old. :lol: But I agree that there were too many immediate expectations surrounding that pairing. Both of them were publicly stating very early in their partnership (she was barely 15 at the time) that their their goal was to win a medal at their first Worlds, and it made me cringe. They were young and seemed rather oblivious to the fact that the rise to the top in pairs isn't smooth sailing and not quick, no matter how good you think you are or how good your results have been. Making bold public goals isn't really good at any stage of one's career.

    So I wasn't really surprised that Keauna seemed overwhelmed by the pressure to succeed immediately (and deal with puberty while skating with someone that short). It didn't help that they were showered with endorsement deals before 2010. 2010 was obviously devastating to her... It's a shame to feel like you failed so badly in only your 3rd year of skating Sr pairs.

    I thought with Mary Beth, it might help that they didn't have immediate success, that they had some very rough results in their first int'l competitions. She also of course needed time to learn about pairs. But the whole thing was still very rushed and there was still a ton of pressure. Rockne publicly stated he wanted them to make the World team in their first season (by Nationals, he seemed to have modified that goal, but still...). He even pushed to get them selected for Skate America three weeks into that partnership-- they weren't even doing throw triples at the time, and Marley had done less than 3 months of pair skating in her whole life :lol: Who even knew what the pairing would actually be like, but Rockne wanted to go to Skate America, so they threw together programs in a week and had USFS monitor them at a local competition a week or so later (where USFS told him the obvious that they were not ready). I remember thinking it was kind of nuts. :lol:

    And then for this season, there was pressure to increase the difficulty in their programs despite them not being all that consistent the previous year. So I wasn't surprised Marley was having trouble with the pressure.

    Rockne is very good and he knows it. No matter how he treats his partners, there's still added pressure to skate with him, I feel.
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    ^Well, Lindsay has experienced ups and downs with 2 partners and she is older. It's been stated before in this thread, but I think that will help.
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    Aren't most pair guys straight? :lol:

    Yup, it might help
  16. aftershocks

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    I agree with madm’s and BCooper’s thoughtful views expressed in their posts. Pair relationships and break-ups involve a lot of different factors. IMO, problems and break-ups generally should not be looked at in simple black and white terms, or considered to be the fault of one partner’s ego. It’s usually a lot more complicated than that.

    I think that Mary Beth did a very good job learning pair skills and she had notable success with Rockne, so they were both weathering the pressures. They were a good team with the potential to become even better, so doom and gloom post mortems are kind of OTT. There’s no reason to jump to all kinds of conclusions and assess blame on one partner or the other re either Keauna and Rockne, or Mary Beth and Rockne. Mary Beth never gave specific reasons why she decided to stop skating, and that’s her right. It probably had more to do with her desire as a young person who is still maturing emotionally, to just do something else with her life.

    Having that desire is not unusual, and it’s one of the reasons why a lot of break-ups happen in figure skating. For example, young ice dancers, Jamie Silverstein and Justin Pekarek, had great success as juniors and they appeared to be having a wonderful start to their senior career when they broke up, apparently after Justin decided he wanted to do something else with his life. It was a difficult adjustment for Jamie who was also battling eating disorders, but she eventually came back to win a bronze medal at U.S. Nats with Ryan O’Meara, and go to the 2006 Olympics. Jamie left skating again to reassess what she wanted to do with her life, and she is now The Grinning Yogi in Seattle, Washington. :D
    http://www.thegrinningyogi.com/portfolio/meet-jamie/

    I hope that Mary Beth and Keauna are feeling satisfied and happy with what they were able to accomplish in their skating careers and that they are both enjoying what they are doing now. No matter how difficult the emotions surrounding their decisions to break-up with Rockne and move on with their lives, they both seem to have been able to deal with their respective splits and get past it. One thing that might still be irksome to them both is to know that their former partnerships with Rockne are constantly being examined and gossiped about on skating message boards. So maybe fans (including myself) need to just get past it too, and appreciate the positives of those partnerships.

    I would imagine that Rockne and Lindsay both have learned a great deal from their former partnerships and that they each are looking ahead with anticipation to the prospect of building a positive and successful pairs relationship on the ice. Good luck to them.

    I'm sure they will focus on what's in front of them and not worry so much about achieving world peace. ;)

    The Felicia Beck Enticement video is worth taking second, third, and fourth looks too. :D :encore:
  17. PairSk8Fan

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    I am not all that enthusiastic about the news of this pairing. Perception is EVERYTHING in FS judging, and the judges WILL perceive that this is a team that got together because of each person's separate goals to go to an Olympics, that these were skaters getting DESPARATE. They WILL perceive that Lindsay LOOKS overweight and heavy compared to the top pair skating women in the world. They WILL perceive that he is a SMALL pair skater making the team look mis-matched. They WILL perceive that there is a connection missing between the skaters found in the great teams. They WILL perceive the mediocre techniques.

    He looks small, she looks too big, she is not an exciting skater or perfomer, and, really, neither is he. He is all facial looks and little substance in regard to being a pair skater on a world-class level. This team will go NO WHERE FAST internationally. It is just my opinion as a former pair skater.

    Sorry, this news just isn't inspiring in any way for US figure skating. I make no apologies to anyone who doesn't like my opinion.
  18. dancefan17

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    I have had several personal interactions with Rockne over the last few years and, by my observations, he is extremely hard-working, patient and just a sweetheart. He was extraordinarily patient with MaryBeth (in a good way- very encouraging and really wanting to work through feelings of competitive pressure). And as far as I can tell- USFS loved them. I see Lindsay as far more mature than MBM, is athletic (don't think she looks overweight), and I think/hope they will be terrific. And while Rockne does want to go to the Olympics, I also think he just loves to skate. There will definitely be a lot of competition, but here's hoping they have much success. Couldn't happen to a nicer, more talented person who has been through a lot, but has endured.
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    ^^ Thanks dancefan17 for sharing your thoughts based on your personal interactions with Rockne! (Interesting how some other posters seem desperate to disparage Davis/ Brubaker)

    IMO, Rock2 was on target with this post, which bears re-visiting:


    In any case, as pointed out ad nauseum, Lindsay is not overweight -- she simply has a womanly shape. She is also very graceful, and she interprets music well. ITA with the below comments in regard to the way Rockne and Lindsay look together in the Felicia Beck-choreographed trio performance originally posted by micronrd on 2/21:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF4SjCfl_tk


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  20. Coco

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    She's overweight like Jamie Sale was overweight from 2000 - 2002 - which is to say, NOT. AT. ALL.
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    The point PairSk8Fan made stands though. She looks bigger than the other Pairs girls and it's something that might stand out like a sore thumb.

    I would personally hope that judges won't care (because seriously she's fine, just doesn't have the typical pairs girl stick thin build) but who knows.
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  22. aftershocks

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    Aside from some Asians, some young juniors and a few other female pairs skaters (including Vera Bazarova) I don't think most female pairs skaters or singles ladies or ice dance ladies have a "typical pairs girl stick thin built," especially not after puberty! Everyone comes in different shapes and sizes - that's what makes the World go round (altho' it doesn't appear to do much for World peace). :lol: Neither Keauna nor Mary Beth have a stick-thin built, nor does Marissa Castelli, Caydee Denney, Alexa Scimeca, Felicia Zhang, Tiffany Vise, Kiri Baga, Megan Duhamel, Kirsten Moore-Towers, Stefania Berton, Tatiana Volosozhar, Caitlin Yankowskas, Aliona Savchenko, nor even Gretchen Donlan or Meryl Davis, or Tessa Virtue, or .... the list goes on.

    Certainly this season, neither U.S. nor international judges seemed to have been the least bit bothered by Lindsay's size or shape. I think they were most concentrated on how Lindsay and her former partner, Mark Ladwig, performed their elements together. Mark and Lindsay fared decently well this season. And I think the prospects are quite good for Lindsay's new pairing with Rockne, especially with them focusing on the same goals and working hard together.

    Surely God have mercy, anything Lindsay and Rockne can do together will be gravy after some of the comments in this thread. :duh:

    Stand out with yo' seriously fine self, Lindsay Davis, and Rock-It with Rockne!

    ETA:
    Before this thread comes to an end, maybe fans will be inspired to make posters and t-shirts with the slogan Rock-It With Rockne, Lindsay Davis!!! Either that or maybe we'll all get together and pray for World peace!
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  23. stjeaskategym

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    I agree, it's always more complicated than that. Very rarely (maybe not ever) can you place blame on one partner. A pair team is a unit. Discussing the challenges pair teams have experienced shouldn't be confused with placing "blame" on one partner only. As I said before, I don't think it's necessarily easy to skate with Rockne, for some reasons that are not his fault.

    Usually when skaters at this level decide to "just do something else with their lives" at random times it's because things were going wrong in what they were doing beforehand. They don't just wake up one day and say "Everything in skating is going so well and I really like it, let me just do something else now". There are of course things that happen that lead to them being unhappy and/or compel them to leave the sport. Often these things aren't scandalous, outrageous, or anything really out of the ordinary and can be discussed in some capacity.


    Isn't the point of a message board to examine skating related things? If nobody's talking about your partnership anymore, it probably wasn't very noteworthy. Mentions of Rockne's former partnerships are relevant as he enters another partnership. It's not like he was a singles skater... We gauge his skating based on what he did with other people. In a thread about a pair that hasn't started yet, all you can really do is speculate as to what the strengths/weaknesses of the team may be, what things may be challenging for them, what difficulties they may have run into in previous partnerships (and if it's possible to learn from them), etc.
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    ^^ Yes, Jamie's situation is individual and the thread is not about her. In any case, I'd heard that Justin was interested in pursuing other endeavors outside of the skating world and that was one of my points, along with mentioning the fact of Jamie seemingly finding meaning and purpose after skating, as The Grinning Yogi. :D
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    And it's all wrong too, considering Jamie was the one who had a complete mental breakdown in 2000 and ended the partnership, not Justin. Justin ended up partnering and competing (much less successfully) with girlfriend Hilary Gibbons, while Jamie hung up her skates completely for 4 years. My recollection was that she went back to skating in 2005 as a therapeutic act without any particular competitive goals, actually asked Justin if they could get back together (and he declined already with Gibbons) and things just happened to fall into place with O'Meara available. Once she and O'Meara competed at the Olympics, she had conquered a particular demon and was able to keep moving forward. I don't believe there was ever a declared intent for a long-term partnership there.
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    ^^ Thanks for clearing that up! My bad re thinking the Silverstein/Pekarek break-up was due to Justin being interested in other pursuits, per pr mentioned at the time. Still, young skaters having the desire to pursue other goals is part of the reason for some fs break-ups, but Jamie and Justin are not a pertinent example, as you've demonstrated. Wonderful though that Jamie came back to skating and made it to the Olympics before starting a successful yoga business.


    Then lawdy, ain’t it a good thing that you, in fact, don’t have to skate with Mr. Rockne Brubaker!

    Me, I’d love to get some skating instruction from Rockne, at the least. That Stefania, what a lucky lady indeed! And, I’m sure Rockne feels like a lucky man re his engagement, his upcoming marriage, and his new on-ice partnership. :cheer:


    Hmmm, okay, but for instance, exactly what do ya think was “going wrong” in what Mary Beth was doing with Rockne on the ice? In fact, they were actually doing quite well results wise, and dancefan17 in her post #176 even provides a personal first-hand account of her knowledge and perceptions of Rockne’s relationship with Mary Beth.

    Perhaps you’re a psychologist in your day job, and you might want to think about sending your CV to USFS re the possibility of mentoring some U.S. pairs, other than Rockne and Lindsay, of course, since they can just read your assessment of their pairing in this thread. ;)


    Uh huh, well it seems as if you and some others are doing a fine microscope-examining job of it, mostly re Lindsay’s size and shape, btw. Maybe a full blown report or at least a summary of this thread should be in the offing to USFS and to ladies skaters everywhere.
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    Asians??(bad form)
    OK well if your example was to highlight the differences in bodies of our pair girls than you did that but to say all of these girls are not stick thin is wayyy off base. Some of them are and you know when they are..and it can sometimes be a little scary how thin they are like Gretchen...whom has been off the ice treated for being "stick thin". Some others you mentioned are able to be very thin and maintain it and it is just how their bodies are...and how their metabolism works although Caitlin is very very very thin now check out her photo on Twitter...Lindsey does not have a typical stick thin frame and more power to her....as someone else mentioned Keauna also had to strictly watch what she ate and it may have played a part of her exit from pairs...and another poster brought up that a pair quit her partner due to anorexia...and so on. It is a serious issue it is obvious and someone like Meryl Davis, DeDe Leng, Alexa Scimeca, Felicha Zang, Megan Duhamel who are all very very slender and it seems natural to their body type...some of the others do not have that natural body type and maybe have to really watch what they eat and it is natural for their frame to just be a stronger more gymnast build...it is just how it is...then Gretchen is like that but the next year after starting pairs is tiny tiny tiny....TINY...noticeably so. The list does go on...everyone is different and you should embrace who you are...if you are not stick thin embrace it work it ...if you are embrace that and work it.

    Lindsey is not stick thin, or very thin, or a thin frame...so what? You can notice it..it is visible but she can work that...it does affect line...but someone else mentioned that Rockne is a strong build too and their line will be more complimentary than say MBM..
    International Judges did not treat D/L kindly...they struggled ALOT...but finally at Nationals pulled it together then BOOM:(. Still DOES anyone know what the problems where Lindsey had with Mark?? I so want to know and thus far no one has answered that....:(

    Amen to :

    Stand out with yo' seriously fine self, Lindsay Davis, and Rock-It with Rockne!

    ETA:
    Before this thread comes to an end, maybe fans will be inspired to make posters and t-shirts with the slogan Rock-It With Rockne, Lindsay Davis!!! Either that or maybe we'll all get together and pray for World peace![/QUOTE]

    PLEASE No to the above they are a team his name certainly does not come first and a guys name should not in a pair...nor does it ever......her's should..!! but I guess in this pair they should announce Rockne first.just as your prospective t-shirt does..when they skate onto the ice? :hat1:
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    ^^ Ya got me, figureit. How about: Lindsay Davis, Rock-It With Rockne! (the order in which I first mentioned it a far ways a bit back in this thread). Is that any better for you?

    In response to another poster, I said that IMO most ladies pairs and singles skaters are not stick thin, aside from some (not all) Asians, some young juniors etc., although maybe you would prefer the terms Chinese and Japanese, along with name specificity, such as Qing Pang, and Narumi Takahashi.
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    Oh yeah: After Davis/Brubaker have solidified the world peace brought about by Kwan and Gracie Gold, they'll then proceed to reverse global warming and bring us all low-cost, earth friendly power sources. And they'll bring back the dinosaurs (but in a safe way, not in a Jurassic Park kind of way) so we can go for rides on them like in Land of the Lost.
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    Lindne?
    Dabaker?
    Rocksay?
    Bruvis?
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    ^^ :lol: Yeah, euterpe, I think, LindyRock, IT IS! :respec:


    Say, din’ RuDaBake rock in Enticement vid?
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    Thanks to Ageless for posting this news in the U.S. Pairs thread today:
    Lynn Rutherford tweeted on April 3:
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    ^^ Thanks for posting. It's good to hear this early feedback from Marina Zoueva. Is she working with Lindsay and Rockne on choreo, btw? Marina confirms what is clearly evident in the YAS Felicia Beck-choreographed Enticement vid re how well LindyRock match physically and stylistically.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF4SjCfl_tk
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    I re-watched that video. Yes. D/B definitely have a superior artistic / choreographic advantage to M/B v1 and v2. I think since Marina works at the rink in MI where D/B train, she will probably be choreographing for them?
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    Thanks for the link! I'm really loving the YAS series.

    Something tells me that the choreography that D&B will eventually get, probably won't be as interesting as what they showcased here. ;)

    :cheer2: Felicia Beck