New U.S. Pair: Rockne Brubaker & Lindsay Davis

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  1. julieann

    julieann Well-Known Member

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    Agree, will people never learn?

    Now D/C are chopped liver who will be beat by a team who is together less than 10 months before nationals?

    Yeah, look how that turned out.

    Hopefully all the US pairs teams will still be togther after worlds.
     
  2. SLIVER

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    Lyndsay Davis i.e the partner of Ladwig??? Please say it isnt so :scream:
     
  3. Zemgirl

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    Note that my sentence began with an "if". But it's hardly unprecedented for a new pair to progress and achieve pretty good results quickly. Leaving aside superstar pairings like Volosozhar/Trankov - Gerboldt/Enbert were 4th at Euros about a year after pairing up, and Berton/Hotarek were 11th at their first Worlds, also about a year after they began skating together. Both Gerboldt and Berton were new to pairs when the partnerships began. James/Cipres were 6th at Euros about a year and a half after their partnership began, and in this case it was Morgan who had no pairs experience. So I don't think it's far-fetched to believe that two experienced pairs skaters who have had some success can make a go of it.
     
  4. julieann

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    It's not unprecedented but the teams you mentioned are hardly the rule. The depth in pairs in France and Italy is very shallow. In 2011 B/H won nationals because there were no other competitors. G/E did do well out of the gate but the only reason they even got to go to Euros was because V/T couldn't go, they really didn't earn it by placing at nationals.

    She has done ok with her former partners and he (who turns 27 shortly) has done well with his; but he’s also been without a partner for a year.

    D/B can do very well their first year but as of right now I'm not putting them ahead of D/C just yet.
     
  5. Zemgirl

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    What does French/Italian Nationals have to do with it? Did I discuss their Nationals results as some huge achievement? I pointed out that all three pairs were able to do fairly well at the international level despite having had limited time together, and in the case of half of each partnership, limited pairs experience (not to mention that Vanessa James had only been doing pairs for three years when she and Cipres teamed up). And that's without bringing up V/T, because obviously D/B are not at that level, nor will they ever be.

    You'd think the US pairs field is at the level of Russian or Canadian Nationals. Seriously, it's not an impossible goal to make the international team after a year together considering their experience and the level of competition they can expect there. In fact, Denney/Coughlin won US Nats after less than a year together, and it's not because they are the heirs to Shen and Zhao.
     
  6. julieann

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    Denney has been 11th and 8th at her previous worlds (not to mention going to the Olympics) and Coughlin was 6th and 8th. Now together they are rather impressive; and so are C/S and S/K. To say D/B can beat really impressive teams in their first year may be true but they have only been together for tryouts and no one has seen an element much less a program.

    Don't forget even with McLaughlin, Brubaker failed to make the Olympic team coming in 5th at nationals; so to think D/B are the sweethearts of the US team is a tad premature. I would at least wait for a summer competition.
     
  7. LilJen

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    They announced their split the week after US Nationals. So, Lindsay Davis, partnerless until now.

    Hope they can get some GP assignments to give them some good experience in the fall prior to nationals.
     
  8. Whitneyskates

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    Good for them, can't wait to see them compete :cool:

    Side note: Am I the only who thinks that Lindsay looks like Paula Abdul?
     
  9. Zemgirl

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    Again - I started what I wrote with an "if", which hardly refers to a certainty or even a high likelihood. It was a jokingly made statement - though I don't see it as an impossibility for a two-time US Champion and his new partner to defeat D/B, C/S and S/K, who are not exactly in the league of Savchenko/Szolkowy, or Duhamel/Radford, or Bazarova/Larionov. I'd save the really impressive description for pairs that actually are really impressive, and let's be honest: with no Worlds medal in more than a decade, none of the recent or current US pairs qualify. If the US field was the equivalent of the Russian or even the Canadian one, then I would say that there was basically no chance for a new pair with that level of prior accomplishments. But that's not the case, and there are a number of pairs who can qualify for the Olympic team out of 2014 Nationals. Perhaps there will be a somewhat surprising result, as was the case in 2010, when Evora/Ladwig qualified and were the top US pair in the Olympics.

    I wish them all the best. I hope each of them has finally found the right partner.
     
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  10. julieann

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    I see, well as long as you were joking...:shuffle:

    At any rate, I'm glad that he found a partner and she found one that she likes.
     
  11. Tony Wheeler

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    I heard that Sui/Han will be ready to compete at Worlds via chatter at 4CC, and I'd think Pang/Tong are alright, too. But even so-- the US either needs a 5th and at least 8th or 6th and 7th to get three spots. With Savchenko/Szolkowy, Volosozhar/Trankov, Duhamel/Radford, Moore-Towers/Moscovitch, and then pick any two healthy/having a great day of Berton/Hotarek, Kavaguti/Smirnov, Bazarova/Larionov, Pang/Tong, Sui/Han, and even James/Cipres, I just don't see how anyone thinks 13 or less can truly happen. I think even one team in the top 8 or 9 would be a great accomplishment.

    ETA- remember that both American teams have potential of starting #1 and #2 in the short program, as neither are in the top half of the rankings. As much as we'd like to think the start order has no correlation to placements/specifically PCS (or are we past that point?), they might find themselves at a big deficit following the first segment.
     
  12. ioana

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    ^13 or less was a slight possibility based on some serious attrition. Not exactly a likely scenario. I am sure if P/T go to Worlds, their PCS and throws will be enough to carry them through, no matter how duct-taped he is. Same thing holds true for K/S and B/L as long as they're healthy enough to compete.
    Not sure about S/H, but I guess they wouldn't get sent unless they are reasonably ready.
     
  13. aftershocks

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    Re-posting some of my thoughts from the U.S. pairs thread, along with additional observations:

    Once the rumors that Lindsay and Mark were breaking up got out, there was simultaneous speculation that Lindsay and Rockne would tryout -- it seemed almost like a done deal. I guess all concerned waited a respectable time (first to announce the Davis/ Ladwig split), and then to announce the new pairing, after the tryout.

    Good luck to Lindsay and Rockne! I'm happy for them that they both seem to feel they've found a partnership for the long haul -- keeping my fingers-crossed for them. Maybe they should write-up a kind of pre-nup contract, as orbitz suggests, or give their word to each other and shake hands on it, or have a blood ritual that will be binding and non-breakable. ;)

    In the IN article, I too noted that Rockne mentioned having trouble with finances. I wonder if he's been able to save up some money working while he's been off the ice this season? Hopefully, Rockne's fans will chip in and help out by making donations in his and Lindsay's name to that skaters' fund. Is it the New England Amateur Skating Foundation? I believe fans can send in donations for any skater, but they need to specify the name of the skater or skaters when they make their contribution.

    It's too bad that it didn't work out for Lindsay and Mark, but Lindsay seemed to address that in the IN article with her comment that her pairing with Mark was "[at most] a two-season partnership, because of Mark's age." I wonder if Mark and Lindsay discussed that aspect in detail before joining up? E.g., that they were both agreeing to the fact that they were teaming only to see if they could make the Olympics? I also wonder what the "differences" were that they "couldn't work through after Nationals." In any case, Lindsay appears to have understandably desired a long term pairs career.

    It's interesting that Rockne mentions he and Lindsay both previously trained under Todd Sand and have similar styles as a result. Lindsay is definitely the perfect height and maturity for Rockne. It was simply an unpredictable timing factor re Lindsay and Mark having teamed up prior to the break-up of Mary Beth and Rockne, so who knew Rockne would once again be available? And, I mean, how could any young experienced pairs lady of the right height resist the prospect of a longer term partner in Rockne Brubaker? OTOH, whoosh, re the timing and all, but I guess that's the way it goes these days in pairs figure skating. Rockne has had to face a lot of obstacles, including the heartache of two difficult pairs break-ups, so I'm happy for him that his personal and skating lives are looking up partnership-wise. :) He definitely deserves great things, and he's been so patient and hard-working. It is somewhat ironic that Rockne tried out and seemingly clicked with both of Mark's former partners. But that's how things sized-up.

    I do hope Mark feels a deep measure of satisfaction in what he and Lindsay were able to accomplish this season, and most of all in what he and Amanda contributed for so many years to U.S. pairs and to the sport of figure skating. Thank you, Mark, and good luck in your future endeavors. :)

    Indeed U.S. pairs is heating up, with so many well-developing, potentially great, and exciting partnerships. That's a good thing. Now please stay together all, at least in the top senior ranks!!!


    ETA:
    BTW, I think U.S. pairs individually and collectively need to consider trying to be their own and their respective partner's savior, and then go from there. Anything else will be 'icing on the cake.' ;)
     
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  14. Jammers

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    One thing is for sure Nationals next year will be loaded for Pairs compared to this season where it was rather sparse with D/C being healthy and Rockne back in the game and some promising Junior teams.
     
  15. analia

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    Purely out of attractiveness, I would love to see S/K, Y/R and Donlan/Speroff do well. I always wonder why American male pair skaters all have this bald irish woodworker look. I still can't tell Coughlin, Ladwig and Barrett apart it's ridiculous.

    I miss Keauna and Rockne. I really liked them.
     
  16. aftershocks

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    ^^ Hmmm, Barrett and now Ladwig are no longer skating eligibly. Coughlin is the tallest of the three, and Barrett is the shortest, I believe. Coughlin and Barrett have skated with the same partner. And I think all three guys are equally handsome, personable and seemingly decent guys to be around. I've heard that Coughlin and Ladwig have great senses of humor, and even enjoyed teasing each other on occasion.

    Most of all, there's nothing wrong with either bald or balding guys. Just ask Steffi Graf, the Kween, and the Duchess of Cambridge. ;) No matter guys' hairlines or the thickness of strands on their tomes, it's what they have in their hearts, minds, characters, and actions that counts.

    I believe Keauna is very happy performing in skating shows these days. If you miss Keauna and Rockne together, you could try looking up some of their past performances on Youtube. And, you might also look forward to seeing Rockne skating with his new partner Lindsay this coming season.
     
  17. I was there!

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    Hahaha!


    I am not super hopeful for this pairing (maybe I will be proven wrong). Go Linsday for being able to get three great male partners! Girl clearly knows how to sell herself! That being said, my best to all the teams. I cant wait to see how Nationals plays out next year!
     
  18. LilJen

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    Phrase of the day. Everyone must try to work it into regular conversation at least once.
     
  19. SLIVER

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    Well I am glad everyone is so enthusiastic and hopeful as I really like Rockney. Didnt think it would work with his last 9y old partner and I think he could have found someone a lot stronger this time around..Oh well, hope I am wrong...
     
  20. apatinar

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    Barrett is the hottest out of those 3 in my opininion, but Rockne blows them all out of the water! So glad he found a partner and didn't go the route of Drew Meekins - another talented hottie who was not so lucky with his partners and forced to stop.
     
  21. my little pony

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    i'm not sure there is anyone else available at an acceptable height.
     
  22. aftershocks

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    Well, but who exactly? :confused:
     
  23. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    USFS announced Davis/Ladwig's split in a Feb. 7th press release: http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=48971&type=media
    Davis/Brubaker's new partnership was announced today, 12 days later. Mark Ladwig tweeted today "Congrats to you both & good luck!"

    Under the current GP selection "rules," they would be eligible to be selected by USFS only as a host pick for Skate America and, if they monitor well this summer, they could be assigned to a Senior B or 2 as well.

    I believe skaters can only receive donations via the New England Amateur Skating Foundation if/when they register with them first.
     
  24. aftershocks

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    ^^ Thanks, Sylvia.

    And so, how do fans find out whether skaters are registered with NEASF or not? I know Adam Rippon and some other skaters have a section on their official site specifically mentioning that donations can be sent to NEASF in their name.
     
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    Marley/Brubaker placed 10th at World Championships last season. If the rules are the same next year, Davis/Brubaker qualify as a "Returning Split Couple" (GP Announcement 2.2.b), based on Brubaker's results with Marley:

    *If the rules stay the same, for next season, that would be in 2011/12 or 2012/13.

    Paragraph 2.2.g says that if there are any spots left after guaranteed ones are assigned, hosts can choose anyone on the Top 75 SB list who has the GP minimum (unless otherwise exempt, like Split Couples/Returning Split Couples and Comeback Skaters or Teams/Return Skaters or Teams).

    Marley/Brubaker's PB score from 2011/12 was 178.89 from 2012 Four Continents. That put them 11th on the Pairs PB list at the end of last season, and the score would be 10th on today's SB list (by a .09) hair over James/Cipres.

    Davis/Brubaker could get two, if USFS and another host chooses them in the initial selection, one if either USFS or another host chooses them, or none, if USFS and another host skips them. If they get less than two in the initial selection, USFS could hold a spot open as a TBA and assign it to them later, or they might be chosen as a substitute, since Return Skaters/Couples are at the top of the alternates list.
     
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  26. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    With all of the info you keep straight, it's amazing how rare it is for you to forget :respec:
     
  28. jjane45

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    Guess it does not hurt to contact NEASF and/or the skater directly or via social media, if applicable?
     
  29. MacMadame

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    When I was sponsoring skaters, I just paid some of their bills for them. No tax break but it was simpler and effective. I knew exactly where the money was going, too.

    (Man, I miss the dot.com boom days.)
     
  30. paskatefan

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    Happy for Rockne on so many accounts! Hope this new partnership works well for Lindsay & Rockne!