New molestation charges against Michael Jackson

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  1. Whitneyskates

    Whitneyskates New Member

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  2. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    Oh, wow. Wade has defended Michael for years. I wonder what changed for him?
  3. taf2002

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    Ugh - this gives me a bad taste. This guy had plenty of opportunity to make his claim while Michael was alive. If he's telling the truth now then he must have been lying before. The question would be why would he lie? Was he getting paid to lie and now that the money is no longer forthcoming he's trying for a new payday? Michael has been dead for a couple of years so what took him so long?

    I have never been sure if all the allegations against MJ were true or if some of it was just people jumping on the gravy train. This seems like the latter.
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    Late mortgage payment?
  5. GarrAarghHrumph

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    It could be money, yes. But the TMZ article (TMZ is, of course, not a reputable news source) says that Wade has been working with a psychologist, so I wonder if maybe something else is going on here.
  6. Simone411

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    It could be a number of things. Perhaps he's in debt up to his ears. The article doesn't state how long Wade had been seeing a psychologist or when he had seen a psychologist.
  7. BigB08822

    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

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    I think TMZ is quite reputable. It looks and acts like a tabloid but they are usually spot on. Besides, they are reporting on the accusations and are not responsible for the accusations being true or not.
  8. FunnyBut

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    It says in the article that Michael's maid had testified seeing Wade in the shower with Michael in 2005. I would think that and the recent psychiatrist session revelations will both be used in the case.
  9. Whitneyskates

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    During the 2005 trial, he testified that nothing ever happened between him and Michael; could he face perjury charges now that he's basically admitting that he lied?
  10. Jenny

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    Agree - they may have started out as just another gossip site, and they still look and write like a tabloid as you noted, but they also have a good network of sources, often being the first with news or new details, and often the first with the facts - actual footage, court documents etc.

    I don't visit the site often (too much crap about misbehaving rappers and teen moms to scroll through!), but if there's breaking celebrity news that interests me, it's the first place I look.
  11. zaphyre14

    zaphyre14 Well-Known Member

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    What would be the point of such an accusation, besides money? It's not like Jackson can defend himself from the grave.
  12. made_in_canada

    made_in_canada INTJ

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    Maybe just a need to get the truth out there?
  13. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    Just to be devil's advocate, there are also cases of suppressed memories of traumatic childhood events, including sexual abuse, not coming back for many years. I believe it's not as common as people thought it was 20 years ago when sudden remembering of the past created some witch hunts....but it does legitimately happen at times.
  14. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

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    Wow...Wade Robson is not just some random anonymous person, he's got more to lose than to gain by doing this now. Money makes people do odd things, but I can't imagine that he'd want to put his reputation through the mill just to make a buck.

    I am not opening the TMZ link - I agree their news is often reputable, but I've gotten a computer virus from their site. Does anyone who's read it know if Robson is specifying monetary damages in the claim?

    Honestly, I'm only surprised this suit didn't come from Macaulay Culkin.
  15. Vash01

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    Money
  16. Vash01

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    If it's just to get the truth out, he had many opportunities before. He is suing MJ's estate- that's not just about getting the truth out.
  17. BigB08822

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    I posted about TMZ but did not make a remark about these accusations. I find them to be too late. He had so many chances to come forth and say something and he chose, time and again, not to. If he was being paid off to keep quiet then he made his decision then. I think Michael was an odd guy who may or may not have molested young children but he is not here to defend himself. How can Robson possibly prove these accusations without something like video or audio proof? I don't see how anyone can believe him when his side of the story is the only one to be told.
  18. just tuned in

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    If Robson is 30 now, and the maid saw him in 2005, then he would have been 22 at the time. How is that child molestation?
  19. VIETgrlTerifa

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    According to TMZ...

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    From the article:


    Fwiw...I can totally understand why a 22 year old man would deny the testimony by the housekeeper and why he might want to do different at the age of 30. It was a very public trial and that reveal wouldn't have been under his terms. The article says he had sleepovers from the age of 7-14. If it's true he was molested he likely wasn't ready to deal with that reality so publicly at 22.
  21. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Not saying he isn't guilty of being greedy or something, but often-times victims of sexual abuse don't realize what they experienced was actually sexual abuse because they either rationalize it as normal behavior or think they brought it upon themselves somehow.

    Again, I'm not saying I know the facts, but I do think it's conceivable for him to go from saying MJ never sexually-abusing him to finally admitting it after intensive therapy sessions and learning more about the nature of sexual abuse.

    Mackenzie Phillips wrote in her biography that her father and her engaged in incest, but that it was consensual. She changed her mind about the last part when she spoke to other victims of sexual abuse and realized that she did not really consent to the sexual advances or that the power a parent or an adult figure has on a minor makes it so that a victim really thinks it's consensual when the victim could not have fully consented psychologically.

    Anyway, it's not as if he's a nobody. He's been working steadily for the past few years in some high-profile projects. That doesn't mean he doesn't have money trouble or that he doesn't see big dollar signs because whatever money he is making (which I assume is a lot), it's nothing compared to what he can win if his suit is successful. That said, he's putting himself through incredibly scrutiny and skepticism if he's only doing it for the money.
  22. liv

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    I think it's more than just money here. If he's finally working through his problems and ready to accept what happened to him (there is that denial thing people have mentioned) then it's possible he's finally realizing he does deserve some sort of compensation for what happened to him. We do not know how his relationship with Michael has affected his life etc., and maybe now he's realizing to what extent he was harmed. After all, sometimes you really don't know how you've been impacted by something traumatic until much later. By admitting this he may be looking for money, but he's also opening himself up to a lot of criticism and hate by the public and sometimes even a lot of money isn't going to heal the wounds of public villification.
  23. leesaleesa

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    Nice. Dead men can't defend themselves, and the Jackson kids get to see their family name and legacy dragged through the mud again. There's nothing to gain from this but money, and more crap for those poor kids to have to endure. Give it a rest already.
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  24. genevieve

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    I'm not really sure why a(n alleged) victim of child molestation is obligated to "give it a rest" just because the (alleged) perpetrator has kids.

    I agree that the Jackson kids have gone through a lot - hell, just being born in that family guarantees they will never, ever have lives anywhere approaching normal - but the crap they need to endure is a result of their father's choices and actions.
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  25. caseyedwards

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    Jackson was always in bankruptcy because of his spending choices and now that spending is not there and the estate has been raking in the dough!!
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    Frankly, I have a really hard time believing that Robson's doing it for the money. He's well known, and has an established career. He also comes across as someone who's very private.

    Then again, you never know.
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  27. duane

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    If Robson just wants the information out there, then why is he suing the estate?

    I think Robson is one of many who was being paid off by MJ to keep quiet. Now that there are no more payoff checks, it's time to sue.
  28. Twizzler

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    I tend to agree with this. Also, Wade was also trying to build a mainstream career in the early 2000's, so it would make sense that he would keep quiet at that time.
  29. moojja

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    Reading some of the comments here makes me wonder if he's suing b/c he wants to tarnish MJ's reputation. Since his death, the molestation accusations seemed to be push to the background, and MJ's reputation has gotten better. I wonder if Wade got sick of hearing about how the victims were lying and trying to profit off Michael Jackson, when he knew the truth. It must be a bitter pill to swallow, especially since his lies helped get MJ off.

    Part of me also wonder if this is a way for Wade to get some justice for himself. Since he can't accuse MJ anymore, he's doing it by proxy. Doing it through the court system is a way to get some validation for his words.

    I think even if Wade is only suing for the money, given what Jackson did, the estate should pay. And if this lawsuit goes well, that means more victims can come forward and sue. The Catholic church had to pay, why not MJ's estate?
  30. VIETgrlTerifa

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    I didn't even think about the angle of he may be doing it for the money, but that doesn't mean his claims don't have merit or that his experiences are false. That could be true too. They may not be mutually exclusive.
  31. Vash01

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    Michael Jackson is dead. He cannot defend himself. Leave him alone at least in death.
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  32. made_in_canada

    made_in_canada INTJ

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    I honestly don't understand this logic. So nobody's allowed to bring up any criminal behaviour of dead people? Why? Are MJ's kids' feelings more important than the feelings of potential victims?
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  33. DBZ

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    ^ This.

    Don't forget too that MJ was a well-connected dude when he was alive, one that could probably pull strings with any artist and/or producer in the music industry--people with the power to, say, hire certain budding choreographers for major music/entertainment projects. In addition to getting his hush money, I sure Wade benefitted a lot from his association with Michael over years.

    Not saying Wade didn't earn some of his success, but being MJ's "friend" probably opened many doors for him, and no doubt would've opened many more if he was alive today.

    Now that he's dead, all that is gone. The Jackson family are ripping themselves apart fighting over his money, so no way they're sharing that with anyone else.

    Maybe this trauma was repressed and he's suddenly coming to this epiphany now, but I highly doubt it. I guess I'm just cynical.

    The fact that he's essentially suing a dead man doesn't instill much credence IMO. He had so many past opportunities to confess when MJ was alive, and even now he could share his story in an effort to help others and to finally confirm a darker truth to MJ's legacy (which is totally valid and admirable if the molestation did take place)--but why the money if he's so well-off in his career?
  34. Ozzisk8tr

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    Really? Would you tell this to all the Jimmy Saville victims?
  35. Coco

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    There was another negative story about MJ's behavior last week, but it didn't contain molestation allegations. Now I can't find it, but I believe it was about his drug use.

    Then there was an article by some white actor from England claiming to believe he was biological father of Michael Jackson's children.

    In any event, I find the timing of all this suspicious. His family & estate had just gotten the go ahead to pursue their 40 billion dollar lawsuit against the concert promoters who worked him to his death, so they say. I'm guessing there is actually some merit to the family's case.

    It appears that someone is trying to harass Michael Jackson's kids through the media. The timing of Robson's accusations could be a horrible coincidence, but it all seems a bit strange.
  36. BigB08822

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    TMZ is reporting that Robson had a major nervous breakdown in 2011 and has not worked since. In other words, he hasn't made a dime in over 2 years. I guess the implication is that his break down was because of the molestation coming to the surface but I don't buy it at this point.

    I don't think Michael should be left alone because he is dead but I do wonder how this suit will be handled. How is Michael going to defend himself? He could have an alibi or have witnesses to some of the moments when Robson claims he was being molested. Combine that with Robson already testifying under oath that he was not molested and I don't think this is right. He better have some serious proof.
  37. genevieve

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    I have no doubt at all that the association with MJ got Wade Robson's foot in the door (and probably a lot of his dance training too), but he is a ridiculously talented dancer and choreographer. And his biggest mainstream fame, which came from choreographing on SYTYCD, never even mentioned his association with Michael Jackson - I didn't know there was one at all until I'd started looking for more info. Whatever career benefit he had from being Michael Jackson's pal as a kid, he stopped using years ago.
  38. my little pony

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    i believed the maid when she said she saw them in the shower and i still believe her. i dont know that wade has any other proof than that but i hope coming out with it helps him make peace with himself and move forward.
  39. just tuned in

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    A better strategy for Robson (if he is only looking for closure) might have been to come forward, but not sue.
  40. caseyedwards

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    Jackson was put on trial and found not guilty.