New Kulik/Gordeeva skating center

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  1. sap5

    sap5 Well-Known Member

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    Can't tell you the number of times I've heard that line. :rolleyes:
  2. lulu

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    Do you know when/where Ilia's interview(s) about the rink are going to be published? I'm looking forward to reading about his and Katia's vision for the rink.
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    Interviews are in Ilia's planning, no schedule so far but as things are published I'll post links here so you can be sure to read them. Ilia has spoken to the Krew about his planning and his ideas (some of which are reflected clearly on the Kulik's Skating website) - it's so interesting and inspiring, and always best in his words.

    That said, if you want to get a better idea of how Ilia works and what some of his core values are, please read under "Testimonials" (on the Kulik's Skating website) the letters from Amanda and her mom. There are some very specific details there and I, for one, found their observations very interesting. So far nothing in that department about Katia but the website is only a week old. Also read through the offerings for Coaches, Adult Skaters and all those categories - he speaks to what he believes.
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    Actually, Sergei had it much harder. He could definitely skate as fast as Katia, but since he was so much taller, he was told to shorten the width of his stroke, so that it would match her much shorter legs. So, he had to try to skate as fast as possible with a contrived shorter stroke. That's kind of amazing in and of itself.
  5. lulu

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    Thanks. :) I know it's the not the same as having personal one-on-one coaching, but Ilia would be an ideal candidate to make a "how to skate" training video, both in terms of teaching correct jumping technique and basic stroking, gaining speed, etc. Just a thought. ;)
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    And a good one.
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    From what I saw on the website, the new skating center looks great. I don't know anything about skating competitively and I haven't watched skating on tv for a while (I was more of a fan in my younger years), but I do believe that regular exercise is an important part of a healthy lifestyle and I think a skating center is good for any community to have. I like that they offer skating lessons for kids and adults, not just for competitive skaters. I think it's great to go and take classes just to stay fit and active. It provides a better alternative to many other things kids could be doing. The picture of Katia with the little kids is very cute. I'd take my kids to her classes if I were in the area. I'm sure she's great with them. I'm sure they'll iron out a few wrinkles as they road-test the website, so to speak, but it looks rather elegant to me, and as an old GG fan I was glad to read the part about GG in Katia's bit.

    I wish them great success with this new business venture and I hope they find their niche in the community and can make a long-lasting, positive impact.
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    I'm always in awe at how amazingly difficult pairs skating is. Granted, I'm not exactly an expert on sports, but I would put pairs skating against almost any other athletic endeavor in terms of difficulty.

    Back to the main topic on hand though, I love the second pic of Katia teaching the kids' skating class, she looks like she's having a blast. :)
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    Hmm where is this pic of Katia teaching the kids? I only see the two pics of her performing and the video.
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    Thanks Lulu! It looks like they've updated the website a bit more since I looked in those sections. It does look like she's having a great time. :)

    I'm a little bit surprised that there's not more on Katia on the site. I know that this is Ilia's "baby," so to speak, but given how respected she is as a skater in the general skating community (arguably even more so than Ilia), I wonder if it's a purposeful decision on her part to take more of a background role. Then again, I never got the sense that she was as passionate about coaching as Ilia was, so it may be as simple as that.
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    To take beginning skating with Katia must be awesome! Her stroke technique is so sound, I'd love to learn her secrets!
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    Thanks Sylvia!

    An answer to the question about the ice rink size:
    Ah, I just love this quote from Ilia. :)

    I wanted to just add that I really admire Katia & Ilia's attitude towards Liza's skating, and importance of maintaining a social life & getting an education. Both Katia & Ilia come across as people who take their role as parents very seriously and are able to recognize what's important in life.

    BTW, am I the only person who's surprised there are still professional competitions? Anyway, Good luck to Ilia. :)
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  16. Aussie Willy

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    Thanks posting the article.

    That is great how much value they place on the first skating experiences. I know for myself from helping out with group lessons and also our ice dance sessions here how important it is to make skaters feel special and enjoy the experience so they keep coming back. It is not only important as getting people into the sport and keeping them, but also as a marketing strategy. You want the customers to be happy.

    I would love to be able to have lessons there.
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    *catches self looking at Qantas' airfares to California....*

    I especially liked this:

    Yes, yes, YES! I see this so many times at my rink. Ooooh yay, I'm skating - thud. Waaaaaaaaah, that hurt! I don't wanna do this anymore!

    It's also, I find, primarily the biggest block for a lot of adults. I was talking to a couple on the weekend at the competition and the main theme was "I don't know how you do it - I'd be terrified to fall and hurt myself." And it can be really hard because not everyone takes on that mindset - or understands that mindset - of "falling is learning".
  18. Aussie Willy

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    With adults it might also be "break a leg and it is six weeks off work".
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    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I certainly got a taste of that when I sprained my shoulder earlier this year - all of a sudden I was stuck answering the phone instead of helping at stocktake. Boss was not pleased but I was suitably repentent.

    While I can understand that mindset/fear...perhaps something needs to be done in terms of adult skaters and addressing this concept that getting seriously injured skating is so easy to do? I've never seen a single broken bone at my rink in the two years I've been skating, and that's every level from Tiny Tot to Senior.
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    And if you have young children to take care of at home, having an injury can be a total nightmare.
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    You are rare then if you haven't seen or heard about a serious injury at skating.

    Still doesn't stop that fear and I don't think there is anything you do to allay it. What you can do is show people how to get started in a way that could help reduce the risk, build their confidence and help them get their balance so they get used to the ice (bend knees, keep feet underneath you, take small steps for an absolute beginner). But at the end of the day you have to say to them you are still going to fall. It is inevitable.
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    I'm not sure if I follow this reasoning, can someone kindly explain why they purposefully make it smaller? Can hockey force its way into privately owned rinks against the owners' will?
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    It is up the rink owners how they want to manage it. So no they cannot.
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    LOL, attack of the hockey players. Maybe he's thinking it will help him resist the temptation of all that potential hockey revenue. Most rinks in the US depend on hockey to bring in enough money to make a profit. I really wonder how handling 30 or even 50 figure skaters can produce enough income to cover their expenses. With rates as low as they have set, I think maybe they are prepared to lose money for a couple years while building their clientele.

    The page about Katia's tot classes was an eye opener. OMG, if I had a 5 yo who wanted to skate, I can't imagine a better deal that being one of a half dozen kids in Katia's class. With a group that size, every kid would be getting a lot of her attention.
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    The bigger the surface the more it costs to refrigerate and maintain. The more it costs, the more bodies you have to put on the ice per day to turn a profit. Less expenses, less need to turn to hockey to make $$$.
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    good luck on your rink,
    i am non-skater, so prices seem okay to me, but what woke me up is the use of exercise equipment. of $10 per machine-seems a bit much, but then i don't know, is your use of equipment usually included in your ice time, practice, coaching etc. i don't know.
    for me it would seem better to get another club membership that focuses on overall atheletes like some gym memberships, but then i don't know.

    good luck, seems nice and focuses just on skaters which is great. but partial to another rink-sorry
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    I wish Katia and Ilia every success with their skating center! :D
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    Thanks everyone, that makes more sense now. Especially if they have prior experiences with rinks at this size and feel it's a good balance of cost and return. If an OGM can do his program run through on smaller ice surface, guess others can do it as well...
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    If we could get even a half dozen five year olds to have her basic skating and posture, I would be so excited for the prospects of figure skating!
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    I was reading the book "Second Mark" and they mention in the Soviet days, kids work on crossovers and just crossovers for a year before anything else. I am sure Katia and Ilia will really focus on basic skills, curious about the class structure :)
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    This is something that every coach should follow.

    In order to jump, you first need to learn how to skate properly.

    I know a coach (that I respect a lot) that doesn't do any jumps with their skaters during their first year of training.
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  32. Aussie Willy

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    I so wish that the skaters I judged focussed on this. They are all too keen to work on spins and jumps before learning to develop good skating technique.
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    The December issue of IFS features a nice interview with Ilia and Katia where they discuss their rink and transition into coaching. :)
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  34. Sylvia

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    Does the article address Kulik's reason(s) for the smaller-than-standard rink size?
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    It does. :) Ilia specifically wanted the rink to be a training facility for figure skaters, and as such, they don't offer hockey or public skating. In order accommodate the lack of revenue that hockey and public skating would have brought the rink, they had to adjust the size of the rink. Ilia does mention that the rink is large enough to practice quad jumps. They also mentioned in the interview that it was important to offer flexibility to skaters and their families, and to offer off-ice classes in addition to the on-ice classes. From the article, it looks like Ilia focuses on teaching jumping technique and Katia focuses on teaching skating skills and younger skaters.
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    My friend (adult skater) broke her ankle. Another friend (also adult skater) had broken leg on two places. I haven't broken anything, but I had concussion twice, and I needed surgery once for torn meniscus (knee) and once for torn labrum (in hip) and partially torn iliopsoas and gluteus medius. (All those are injuries within the last 5 years). I know about a lot of skaters (both adult and children) who has had injuries from skating. I really can't believe that you don't know about any injuries at your rink.
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    As far as the size of the ice and the future is concerned, Ilia did what I think is a very smart thing. He told me that he had worked with Art Sutherland of the prominent Canadian firm, Accent Refrigeration to design a refrigeration system where the compressor and all those other key parts (which are usually in a machine room in the building) are contained in a trailor which is out behind the building (fenced in). If Ilia wants, eventually, to move to another building and offer a bigger ice surface, most of the the refrigeration system can go with him.
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    Thanks for the info, I certainly got the impression from the interview that Ilia put a lot of thought into the rink. Hopefully all of his hardwork will continue to pay off. :)
    In the article, Ilia mentioned that it was important to offer off-ice training in addition to the on-ice lessons, do you know if they have a ballet/dance instructor at the rink?
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    Not sure who, if anyone, they have there yet - it's all in early stages. I know he was planning on getting a variety of teachers in there so that the skaters can study various dance forms - ballet, jazz, modern, etc.
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    My local rink closed due to finacial hardship. I live in the high desert and the cost for electricity to make ice in summer was the death nell. I was told it was $8,000.00 a month.