Nashville - Season One (Wednesdays, 10pm on ABC)

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by PeterG, Nov 15, 2012.

  1. manhn

    manhn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2002
    Messages:
    9,181
    This may have been my favourite episode of Nashville ever. This is the first time I felt the cast was a cohesive unit. I loved the Scarlett/Deacon dynamic, the actual friendliness between Juliette and Rayna, an actual scene of depth between Rayna and Will, that snapshot of the youngest daughter reacting to her parents separating, etc.

    Oh boy, I totally agree about Tandy. I don't know another tv character with so little of their own life.

    I think Tandy would be a perfect fit for Rayna's record company. Tandy would *so* kick that Harvard guy's butt.

    ETA: OMG, Harvard Guy is Oliver Hudson?!?!
    Last edited: Oct 3, 2013
  2. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    17,646
    Well put, manhn.
  3. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2001
    Messages:
    17,469
    Enjoyed this ep much more than the season opener. I'm often disappointed by season openers when they put so much into the finale without really thinking how it will continue, and then we spend the first ep trying to wrap up and bridge over (Revenge was really bad for that last week, almost laughable).

    I was concerned about Oliver Hudson being cast, knowing him only as the dumb guy on Rules of Engagement, but he really fit the part and did a great job. Love the inside looks at the business that were throughout this ep. Will's decision was interesting - does he go with artist integrity, or a sure shot at stardom? Given that he's personally living a lie, it's no stretch that he decides to go with Jeff instead of Rayna. Jeff is clearly the new guy proving himself to his new bosses with big moves and focused only on the next quarter's numbers, but what happens over the long term when he forgets to nurture artists and sustain long term revenue?

    Love love the complicated and evolving relationship between Rayna and Juliette, and love Avery and Juliette together as friends, love seeing more Tandy but totally agree she needs her own story this season! I want to know more about Tandy - and I LOVE the idea of her getting into the record business. She needs to run Hwy 65.
  4. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    17,646
    Given all that's going on in the country music industry right now, the parts of the episode about the business were dead-on. So dead-on that once or twice I thought, "Whoa, hope they don't get themselves in trouble with some real-life Nashville people . . ." :D Given that a lot of the personal stuff is so silly and over-the-top, the devastatingly accurate picture of the music business is all the more impressive.
  5. chantilly

    chantilly Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2009
    Messages:
    555
    Loved it. It was great all around.

    Loved that Teddy and Rayna are coming to an understanding and he was a good guy here. I think they 180'd Teddy too much last year.

    Love the idea of Tandy being at Rayna's record company. Pretty sure that is going to happen. Glad to see Scarlett get some grit and a comb.

    I love the SL of Will the closeted Country star. Plus he needs to be shirtless every episode.

    Loved Juliette and Avery. Wasn't a fan of him last year. But i like their friendship. I hope they don't hit the sack too soon.

    Oliver Hudson is great. Can't tell if he is going to end up sleeping with Juliette or Will.

    Really loved Gunnar's song. He is so going to be on Rayna's label.

    Thing Juliette is going to leave Edgehill eventually and Rayna is going to offer her an Olive Branch on her label. Hayden is an amazing actress. She is so able to balance her narcissism with her damaged but good heart. At points you want to smack her and then you want to hug her. She is a great character on this show. And feels like a real artist/performer to me.

    Deacon's self-loathing was getting tired but I am glad their seems to be the beginning of the end. I do hope there is a scene in which Rayna takes some culpability in keeping this secret. Right now I feel that Deacon is the only a##hole but what Rayna kept from him was really unfair despite her valid reasons. I thought she handled the discovery of it to him rather badly. So did he. But I can see how an addict would go back down the rabbit hole after finding out that especially since you just got back with the person who has been the love of your life forever. It's a clusterf##k obviously but I don't like the idea of Deacon being completely to blame here.
  6. *Jen*

    *Jen* Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2005
    Messages:
    11,469
    I think the whole line through that story is that Deacon can't be with Rayna and stay sober. She was right in ending it with some finality (but this is Nashville...give it 3 weeks...;) ). Anyway. She didn't know when she chose Teddy that the 5th time in rehab would work, yet having chosen Teddy...she couldn't just go back and play happy families with Deacon. The time to tell him about Maddie would have been when she first found out, because after that...there was no good time. I agree. All around cluster **** and not Deacon's fault, nor entirely Rayna's.

    I totally agree that Gunnar is going to end up on that label...but while I'd love him to be there as an artist in his own right, I also want more Scarlett/Gunnar duets! I also predict that Gunnar, Juliette and Avery will all be on Hwy 65 by the end of the season...
  7. emason

    emason Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2004
    Messages:
    3,277
    I guess I'm the only one who thought Oliver Hudson was meh. I have zero interest in his character and I'd be happy if he went away. I think he was brought on to be a love interest for Rayna, not Juliette or Will.
  8. manhn

    manhn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2002
    Messages:
    9,181
    I think Oliver provides an antagonist vibe that the show originally wanted with Rayna and Tandy's father. Personally, I find the actor playing the dad absolutely atrocious, and think Hudson plays the villain role well (in the sense that we're supposed to hate him--none of that Avery-is-not-a-bad-guy-because-he's-insecure BS).

    Tandy needs to sleep with someone. Hudson can also fulfill that role too (assuming Tandy's straight--I have no clue).
  9. *Jen*

    *Jen* Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2005
    Messages:
    11,469
    Tandy's not a main character though, really. I don't think she'll get much of her own screen time unless she gets a cult following, because she only has a facilitatory role (looking after the kids, being a mole to the feds, helping Teddy win an election etc).

    That said...didn't she sleep with someone after the awards ceremony late last season? When Rayna got into the car (just before Deacon got in and demanded to know if he was Maddie's father), she said she had a lift and I think there was a smile and wink towards Bucky...
  10. chantilly

    chantilly Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2009
    Messages:
    555
    I totally agree with your reasoning. But Rayna knew quite a bit before Maddie went to Deacon. And I believe if I remember correctly she had an opportunity to tell him and she didn't take. I get she was protecting her family but she already knew that Maddie knew. and she and Deacon just got back together. I just want Rayna to admit some culpability in why Deacon felt so messed up and betrayed. I don't think Rayna is to blame for his alcoholism any more then I think they can't be together without him turning to booze.
  11. *Jen*

    *Jen* Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2005
    Messages:
    11,469
    It's been 13 years...I would say Rayna had a LOT of opportunity to tell him! She chose not to. Remember Teddy told Lamar last season that he and Rayna would decide when to tell Maddie , if ever. He's always known he wasn't her biological father, and so has Rayna. But, having not told Deacon when she found out 13 years ago (I assume his sobriety was too questionable at the time), there was never going to be a good time to tell him after that. She would have already been lying for x number of years and he would have still reacted that way, because he was furious at her for keeping it from him.

    Given how he reacted, I tend to think she made the right decision :shuffle: Yes, it sucks for him, but I think of it like an adoption. Teddy wanted to be Maddie's dad and could take care of her, and Deacon couldn't even take care of himself and was a mean and nasty drunk. I'd have done the same thing.

    I feel far worse for Maddie, who may be precocious but who is still only 13 and confused and upset and angsty. I don't think she's seen Deacon's drunk and nasty side so really can't understand why her mother would do such a thing, or why her father would let her. Poor kid :(
  12. Allskate

    Allskate Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2002
    Messages:
    8,167
    Rayna found out that Maddie knew when Deacon told her. I get why Deacon felt betrayed, but I also get why Rayna didn't tell him. Maddie is young and she was trying to protect her. You could debate all the things that Rayna could have done, but none of them is clearly right, which is part of what makes the show interesting.

    It will be interesting to see if Maddie wants to develop a relationship with Deacon and what will happen then. And Scarlett may want to get to know her cousin.
  13. heckles

    heckles Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2005
    Messages:
    3,104
    Maybe Juliette will let this one simmer for 15 minutes. :lol:
  14. chantilly

    chantilly Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2009
    Messages:
    555
    I guess I remembered it incorrectly. I just remember a moment when they were discussing honesty and she didn't reveal it. I thought that she found out somehow else that Maddie knew. I think Rayna definitely made the best decision in the past. All I am saying is that she has to understand that Deacon would be angry and feel betrayed. I guess I didn't get any of that from this last episode. His reaction is all his fault but I would have liked her to say something like, I get this was a shock and maybe it was wrong of me to do what i did but that doesn't give him the right... I am sure that will come later though. I also like that it is murky. People are flawed and do the best at the time even if that choice may bite them in the ass later.

    Also want to say that those Lennon girls are pretty good actresses.
  15. chantilly

    chantilly Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2009
    Messages:
    555
    Doubtful.:lol: But I do think she has more chemistry with him then Scarlett.
  16. chantilly

    chantilly Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2009
    Messages:
    555
    Also want to say that I like the idea of Rayna, producing more and writing more. Just not a fan of her singing voice. But I absolutely love Connie as an actress.
  17. manhn

    manhn Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2002
    Messages:
    9,181
    Good episode, if predictable. I wasn't sure whether Juliette was gonna make out with the British guy or the married couple was going to invite her for a threesome. Whatever. I did think Avery was whiny as hell. He needs to get over himself.
  18. shan

    shan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2003
    Messages:
    16,736
    ITA regarding Juliette. Until he and Juliette talked, I couldn't figure out why Avery was all :drama:
  19. Susan1

    Susan1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2005
    Messages:
    759
    In the first season, they only did one or two songs whose lyrics or situation connected to the storyline. And I really liked the duets. I know lots of people like country music, but I am not one of them. Every show is turning into a concert or a showcase for 3-4 songs. How many minutes of actual storyline are we getting every week?
  20. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    17,646
    Well, I like country music, and I think most of the storylines have gotten silly, so I'd be happy if it were just a concert. :lol:
  21. Susan1

    Susan1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2005
    Messages:
    759
    I watched/taped/DVRd All My Children for 41 years (since day 1 - snow day in grade school), so I need some silly soap! :)

    BTW, wyliefan - Paul and I share a birthday - October 28!
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2013
  22. dbell1

    dbell1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2002
    Messages:
    10,337
    When Tandy breaks out into song, then we can call this "Gleeville", otherwise, I'm sort of okay with the music. :lol: Wonder if the new music people on the show have anything to do with the switch? TBone Burnett left the show after last year. Now, if they stop beginning songs with their back to the audience, then doing the slow turn, I'll cheer - that always annoyed me.

    Holy rathair makeover Scarlett! It's amazing what conditioner and clothes can do to. :p I wonder if they had the character deliberately farmtown frumpy last year just to 'swan' her this year?

    So, Rayna and Liam fall into bed and we get two seconds of kissing and then a post cuddle? LOVED the united front they had regarding the record. And ITA with chantilly, Connie's an amazing actress, but the singing - no. Turn her into a mogul who nurtures talent and let's get off the 'Rayna's a fabulous singer' track.

    Chip Esten is really selling Deacon fighting his demons. If he doesn't fall into bed with the doctor, I'll be happy. Bye Coleman. I'll miss you. Hoping that means that politics are not going to be center stage this season?

    Juliette continues to be a beautiful mess.

    Not a fan of Will this season. Maybe it's the actor, but he's not that interesting to me. They had the reality show runner up eyeing him up - wonder what they're doing with that? :shuffle:

    Did Gunner and Scarlett's friend go off together? MAJOR betrayal there if it happened. You don't hop into your best friend's ex's bed (well, except on this show). And how did Scarlett not give her a head's up that Will's in the closet?
  23. *Jen*

    *Jen* Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2005
    Messages:
    11,469
    I don't get the Rayna singing hate. She wouldn't make it as a country music star, but I enjoy her singing and never mute it or fast forward like I often do with Juliette (not because she can't sing, but because I tend to hate her songs) :confused:
    PeterG and (deleted member) like this.
  24. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2002
    Messages:
    8,615
  25. heckles

    heckles Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2005
    Messages:
    3,104
    Not a fan of those two together since he tried to hoodwink her last year. We already have Juliette and Scarlett getting their hay poked by a bunch of ne'er-do-wells.
  26. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    17,646
    I think you just pretty much summed up the show in one sentence. :lol:
  27. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    17,646
    That was the best ep in quite a while (though I missed last week's, so can't compare it to that). Juliette's idea was actually brilliant. And she was so sweet with Maddie. And so many good songs! Loved Scarlett's duet with Zoey. (Although re: Zoey, "preacher's daughter gone wild" is SUCH a cliche, I couldn't help rolling my eyes a bit.)
  28. emason

    emason Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2004
    Messages:
    3,277
    So many good songs? Um, I think not. I wanted to hit the mute button for each and every one.
  29. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    17,646
    To each her own. :) I liked 'em.
  30. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    17,646
    Pretty good ep. I'm darned if I'm gonna tweet #LaylaAndWill, though. :lol:
  31. genevieve

    genevieve drinky typo pbp, closet hugger Staff Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2003
    Messages:
    30,155
    so, my tv viewing is way down this season, and I gave up Nashville after the first ep of the season (it seemed to get the Desperate housewives treatment - take a witty, layered show that isn't afraid to go broad and amp the soapy OTT-ness to 100 at the expense of nuance in an effort to draw in audiences). is it worth getting caught up?
  32. Wyliefan

    Wyliefan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    17,646
    Well, it's still awfully soapy. But there are still enough good things in it to keep me watching, at least for now. Let me put it this way -- what was it that you liked about it? If you let me know, then I can tell you whether those things are still there or not! :)
  33. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2001
    Messages:
    17,469
    I thought this week's episode was outstanding! Sure there are soapy elements, but the big difference is the reality of the backdrop of the music business in Nashville - when I think of nighttime soaps in the past, they've usually faked some family business or other. And the music of course - loved Avery, Gunner and Zoey, and LOVED they way they brought back Rayna's voice.

    And since when is Tandy's surname Hampton? Is that their mother's name and maybe she took it while working with Wyatt to give the illusion that she's wasn't just in the job because of Daddy?
  34. gkelly

    gkelly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2003
    Messages:
    10,506
    I wondered about that too. Wasn't the mother's name Jaymes, and that's where Rayna got it from?
  35. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2001
    Messages:
    17,469
    Yes now that you say I recall that. From the beginning I've been wanting Tandy's story - maybe that's our first hint.
  36. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2001
    Messages:
    17,469
    oops wrong thread!
  37. dbell1

    dbell1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2002
    Messages:
    10,337
    I think there's too many new characters being tossed at us to keep track of.

    Sorry Jenny, but I'm hating the 'stop, go, slow' song. :lol: Not sure how Avery & Gunnar went from hating each other to being guitar buddies. Zoe is Scarlett's best friend, but is sleeping with Scarlett's ex bf (who proposed to her AFTER a drunken bender, cheating on her, burning her couch, and having ugly hair?) :p Eh, don't buy it.

    I did like Scarlett's song with Deacon and Rayna's comeback song. Will, eh, the less said about that yee haw knockoff, the better. :scream:

    They really need to get rid of the hash tag crap. I know Twitter's popular, but really? :wall: Glad to see that Layla's really an evil little witch underneath. Should be an interesting tour. :rofl: at the 'mini me' comment.

    Pretty surprised Rayna didn't defend Juliette to the living legend/new guy in the hat. Juliette's been pretty freaking decent to the queen of country and really great with Maddie. That alone would make me defend her. Of course, I don't have Connie Britton's hair or Rayna's mindset. :shuffle:

    So, Lamar's going to jail, Tandy's still playing both sides, and Rayna's clueless? She'll go scorched earth if she finds out what's really behind it.
  38. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2001
    Messages:
    17,469
    I think Avery and Gunner now that they are both exes, and more importantly, both contractless musicians - bros sticking together and all that. I do think it was a mistake to sleep with Zoey though - she seemed to think so when she woke up - because I think a lot of people consider all exes off limits to their close/old friends. And sisters for that matter. Maybe not everyone, but I could see where it would be considered a betrayal - not by Gunner, but by Zoey to her old friend.

    Agree re Twitter - I really don't like any crossovers with social media that so many shows are trying to do now - if I wanted to know what people were saying on Twitter, I'd be on bloody Twitter, and if I wanted to join in, I think I could find the stupid hashtag myself. For that matter - middle aged rant coming - I'd love to get rid of all the crap on my screen that isn't the show - the bugs and ads continue to get bigger and more annoying. This is the benefit of DVDs - you can watch the shows you love without these nonsense distractions.

    re Rayna defending Juliette - I thought what happened there is that Juliette realized that what she said under similar circumstances was just as hurtful to Avery as it was to her. That she realized that Rayna did what she did - let it slide because it wasn't the time or the person to do battle with, but it didn't mean that she agreed with him. I think Juliette was upset about Luke Wheeler blowing her off, not so much Rayna's lack of response. Am I wrong?
  39. dbell1

    dbell1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2002
    Messages:
    10,337
    I have a Twitter confession. I follow the show and some others and made a comment on a season opening sneak preview feed about 'Rayna's hair still looks fabulous' when she was in the coma. :lol: It was retweeted by a producer, which I thought was really funny. Apparently there's a 'Connie Britton's hair' twitter account. She's not on there, but a lot of the cast is.

    They're trying live tweeting this year with the show, but I'm with you - I'd rather watch the show then try to have a multimedia experience. It's not the freaking Super Bowl.

    Even my teen is mocking Survivor's attempt to trend things. When your target audience finds it annoying, there's a problem...

    ...twitter rant over... :D

    Onto Juliette - I took her comment about 'someone not having my back' to be directed at Rayna. But, the character growth continued. She didn't lash out at Rayna or throw things, she went to find Avery.
  40. Jenny

    Jenny From the Bloc

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2001
    Messages:
    17,469
    Oh ok forgot about the having my back comment. So I guess she felt stung by Rayna and realized that she had done the same to Avery. At the same time, I do think Rayna has grown to like and respect Juliette, and simply didn't think it was the time to argue with the guy who was hosting the show - perhaps especially since in some ways she ended up hijacking it - Luke asked her to sing, but it ended up being a big deal with the audience etc.

    Either way, I love this show :)