Nashville - Season One (Wednesdays, 10pm on ABC)

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  1. Jenny

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    Honestly I'd be livid if I were Rayna. He's entitled to have a girlfriend as they are separated, but bringing her into the home where Rayna and their daughters still live? I'd be considering court action on that one.

    But at the same time, it does make for good tv :watch:

    I really like KWP and would like to see her develop this character a little more dimensional than suicidal bunny boiler, and I'd certainly like to see her smart side come out. Does anyone remember the shortlived soap of about 20 years ago called Savannah (ooo shows cancelled too soon thread!)? There was a character on it - Peyton - who is the perfect prototype for what Peggy could be. Smart, sexy, would stop at nothing to get what she wanted. Perhaps a little affair with Lamar? She'd be far more interesting as a potential step mom for Rayna and Tandy than for Maddie and Daphne. Even better if she uses her questionable financial tactics to somehow wrap herself up in the music business.

    But then again, what I like about the show is that it's about the characters, and the music business, and it's probably better if it doesn't turn into Knots Landing!
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    Hmm. Double post. Although I did just get to the bit where Juliet seduces Dante. Yeah. Don't like that! And who the hell rips their clothes off that quickly?! :eek:
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    I just caught up! I love the song the Stella sisters sang :shuffle:

    Amazing drinking game idea - they do always show the audience their back!
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    Dragging this up from page 2. Doesn't bode well for us. :shuffle:

    Note for future viewers - do not 'marathon' this show. You won't understand ANYONE's motivations since they switch from week to week.

    Juliette has met her slimy match in that 'sober companion'. But, I'm going to enjoy watching those two together, until he gets the 'trap door' treatment and disappears without much of a noise (see virgin qb, and original manager for examples).

    Rayna and daddy - I really liked these scenes. It was nice to see her and Tandy interact, I guess Tandy stepped up when momma ran off? We got more backstory on Rayna, which was good.
    If/when daddy recovers, I can see him being really ticked at Tandy for going to Teddy. Guess daddy's right hand man didn't tell Tandy that dad was trying to bribe Peggy FREAKING Kentor? But, Tandy's all 'protect my family' while daddy's looking for a deal. And has Rayna not gone home yet? Or did Teddy febreeze the 'smell of skank' out of the house?

    Deacon's still our moral compass on the show - but I'm wondering who he'd pick if he had to choose - Ray or the vet? Also liked Deacon stepping in to help Avery. Given their backstory, he could have walked away laughing. But, now that slime companion is the manager, I guess Avery shouldn't rely on that job? Or will he step in and save the day when/if Deacon walks off yet another tour? :lol:

    Also - I'm not a fan of upstairs cowboy. He can fall down the stairs and disappear any time. :p Maybe scary hair can join him. Wonder if Rayna's label will do a makeover on Scarlett? If so, can they chop that wig off her?
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    Rayna's label needs to do a makeover on Rayna; she's got the worst wig/extensions/hairdo/whatever of the lot. Makes Connie Britton look 10 years older than she needs to.
  6. genevieve

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    lest night's episode was terrible - it ran like someone picked up the bits that were intended to be scrapped and pasted them together. If you dig really deep you can find some worthwhile bits, but whoever edited this ep must have been out with Scarlett and the boys.

    Who here was expecting that Avery would get the opening slot for Juliette's suddenly solo concert? Kind of nice that instead, he was caught between being hired and being fired all day long. :lol:

    Dante is totally giving me a Terrible Ellis vibe now...except I wish the preview had been right and he'd really been involved with both Juliette and Jolene, instead of Jolene pathetically throwing herself at him (and wow, even Sylvia Jeffries seemed embarrassed by having to do that scene). But I'm looking forward to his insinuating himself into Juliette's life, even if it's a complete 180 from how the character started.

    The expression on Scarlett's face when she had to sip the champagne she'd been given at the record label meeting...it was just a brief look right as she walked offscreen, but it was believable and funny. That wig is starting to take on a life of its own, though.

    Please let Upstairs Neighbor put the moves on Gunner. I so thought he was going to try to steal Scarlett away (why? So she can get even more lucky breaks and his career can go down the toilet? And who even knew that Gunner and Scarlett's house had an upstairs apartment, anyway?), but the daredevil bromance is hilarious.

    Peggy FREAKING Kentor sure looked like she'd already moved into the James mansion for good, hmm? I don't really understand why the press isn't watching the home of a country superstar who's going through a public divorce....how are they not on the cover of US Weekly? Her phone call was totally creepy...she's thisclose to boiling one of the kids' bunnies.

    Deacon is the only thing that saved this episode from sailing off into pure Smash-level melodrama (not that that's a bad thing, but it ain't this show - or wasn't, anyway). He starts out so committed to his new gf, stands up for Avery, re-establishes his "family" relationship with Rayna, and ends by not even telling Vet Girl that he'd already been back and letting her believe he came back just for her. He's complicated, that one.
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    How great was it when Juliette tells Deacon that he should stop thinking of Rayna as family and he replies, "Yeah, she is" and takes off to be there for Rayna? Yeah, take that!
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    I think the actress who plays Scarlett just has scary hair. I don't think it's a wig :shuffle:

    I also like Rayna's hair. Shorter hair styles can make middle aged women look so much older, IMO.

    The plot...changes so much. The first few eps were great, but it's a bit meh lately. Scarlett and Gunnar's duet was one of the things I LOVED about the first ep. When are they going to get them back as a duet? It was a good twist but...meh.
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    If Deacon's our moral compass, we're in trouble. :lol: I don't deny he's got a kind heart, but he's also got more issues than Reader's Digest.
  10. heckles

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    Hey now, give Deacon credit for kicking the bottle and not having four ex-wives. That's pretty impressive for a Nashville songwriter. :lol:
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    I really thought the neighbor was going to put the moves on Gunner last night. Then, when they were driving toward the train tracks, I thought that Gunner would be killed and we no longer would have to suffer the ridiculous Scarlett/Gunner romance plot line. I guess not. I'll just hope that Gunner and neighbor hook up and ride off into the sunset.
  12. Jenny

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    Until I read comments here it didn't occur to me that upstairs neighbour might have come by way of Brokeback Mountain. I didn't think he was after Scarlett either - more that he's realized they have connections and wants to use them to get ahead. No mistake that he wanted to duet with someone just signed to a big label, and to work on songs with someone with a songwriting contract. As I said earlier, I'm expecting him to steal some of their songs, or after this ep, for him to accuse Gunner of stealing his songs. It would be an interesting addition to the story if we're trying to cover the music business in Nashville.

    If he's just a gay cowboy who's going to get the trap door (love that dbell!) then meh.

    Love Deacon standing up for Avery - he might be his favourite niece's ex, but to Deacon, he's also a young musician who deserves respect and a chance.

    Hate the Juliette appointed Dante her manager. It's as bad as Nolan making Padma CFO when he'd known her for 5 minutes and she had no credentials. Hello writers, we are not stupid, and Juliette shouldn't be either.

    Loved learning more about Tandy - I've been interested in her character from the start, so I'm glad they are bringing her forward more, and we get to learn more about Rayna at the same time. Interesting that Tandy and Lamar are now more in Rayna's story, and Teddy's story is also more about the effect on Rayna that all the city hall stuff. Maybe they've listened to fans on this one - this show is about characters and the music business, not local politics.
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    You've put your finger on the current problem, even though we don't yet know how this particular storyline will turn out -- when they could be giving us all these interesting music industry stories (like they used to), instead they mostly just give us the same blah bed-hopping that we could get on almost any other show. It's lazy and annoying.
  14. Jenny

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    The show might be in that period after the first episodes, desperate to establish a fan base and get renewed, when they start to respond to the early feedback from fans/advertisers/network execs, make some changes, and then find out that they made the wrong choices. Hopefully by the final eps of the season, things straighten out a bit and they get renewed, and then have a chance to really think about it as they head into a second season. There is so much potential for stories here, so many great characters, and the production quality is really high, so I really hope this continues!

    And I don't mind the bedhopping when it's in character but doesn't drive plot too much - ie Deacon's escapades make total sense for that character. Juliette's do too from the point of view that she's young and horny and looking for human connections (due to her childhood, and the weird position of being loved and adored by millions, but totally separate from them). But what I don't like is the sex driving the plot - suddenly Dante's her manager, and the mother daughter triangle is just a bit much. The developing relationship between Juliette and her mother was getting really interesting, and real - that either of them acted on feelings for Dante, and that he was open to it, sort of blows that whole storyline IMO.
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    I suspect that one won't last long. The guy already overstepped his bounds with the Avery sitch, so he'll probably soon make a unilateral decision that ticks off Juliette. Or he'll get caught skimming her accounts.
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    Wow! That's her real hair? She looks better off set. Wonder if the rat's nest is on purpose then?

    I'm convinced Avery's next up in Juliette's bed. Then she'll go after Teddy. :scream:
  17. Jenny

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    :grope:
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    Yep - although she may have extensions. Fake accent, real hair. I think the actress is just kooky. She has an open twitter profile and always posts pictures of her very odd animals and other things. I get the impression she's quite eccentric.
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    Yeah, I saw those too. But if the bulk of the audience finds it as boring and off-putting as some of us here do, it could play havoc with the ratings. We'll see . . .

    That makes a lot of sense. Hope they think long and hard!
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    Juliette needs to stop thinking about long and hard things all the time. Just as her character began to improve, she began mucking up again.
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    it made me think TPTB don't think the existing audience is enough, and they need to do something different to get more people to watch, unfortunately
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    I'd like to see some plot lines involving real Nashville stars. The scene at Deacon's birthday party with Vince Gill and a few others was good, but very short.
  24. Jenny

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    Talking about the show yesterday I mentioned this phrase to my husband, who noted that historically a deacon is a religious figure, a sort of servant of the church. I expect they just picked a sexy name, but it's interesting, no? Deacon the character is like a servant to the church of country music, the perennial sidekick to the bigger figures, but who keeps it all going. And even if we didn't hear his name spoken all the time, he wears it prominently on his guitar strap, sort of like the formal robes and decorations of a church. I've noticed it before and thought it was a bit out of character for him to choose something like that, but it would make sense if someone gave it to him as a gift, and in the process, somehow anointed him to this role.

    (former Lost fan here, can ya tell? ;))
  25. HeatherC

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    Interesting to read here that NBC did the promos for Nashville since the show airs on ABC......LOL :rofl:

    I got behind a bit on this show due to the great flood of 2013 (our basement is still a mess but thankfully the insurance money is finally here and we can start repairs) but I did watch last week and thought it was pretty good. LOVED Rayna & Deacon's scenes at the hospital and that Deacon stood up for Avery (oy vey, that Dante nightmare is a massive tool). I need to catch up on the previous 2-3 episodes to really get myself up to date but I do still enjoy this show and hate that I got behind the last few weeks. :(

    BTW-Did anyone else know that the actress who plays Scarlett is from Australia?! Her real accent is so beautiful and she does seem like an eccentric but very sweet person in real life (remembering her from the Nashville panel at Paleyfest last month).
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  27. Jenny

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    Yes - we discussed this earlier in the season - see clip below.

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    Oh thanks. I somehow missed seeing that the first time (or forgot about it which I'm more inclined to believe since my brain barely functions early in the week, LOL). :)
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    Curse you ABC. You yank the show around on the schedule and it gets forgotten. :mad:

    It was a good show last night. Bit stilted dialogue wise. I swear it's lazy writing when we come into a scene mid fight (Scarlett and Gunanr). Just wondering - Who called it upthread that random upstairs neighbor was gay? Memo to ABC set designers - that house they keep showing those 3 living in DOES NOT contain an upper floor.

    Nice scene with Avery and Scarlett backstage and then front stage. I guess he's now on his redemption tour. On this show, it'll last 2 episodes.

    Dante's evil mustache twirling villain takes off with a bag of Juliette's $? She'll just go write something else about heartache and make more. But :rolleyes: at Juliette ID'ing the pills mama od' on years ago.

    Rayna - stop being Alicia Florrick and just PICK ONE GUY. :wall: I'd have gone to St. Lucia with Liam.

    Teddy dumped bunny boiler? That's totally not going to end well. She was his partner in crime with the bank deal. Does he really think she's going to fade away? Dope. And now Tandy's hanging with Coleman. You just know that bad bank deal is coming out soon.
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    I forgot about the bank deal. I thought Tandy (I have never seen a character on television have so little of her own life as Tandy) was talking about Teddy not being the biological father for the elder daughter (as if I know their names). I thought FINALLY! Tandy is getting interesting by potentially hurting her sister. But, nope.

    I found the episode lame. Everyone was too stupid.
  31. *Jen*

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    I knew they were going down the Brokeback Mountain route, but seriously? I wish tv shows would stop changing their character's sexuality as if it's that clear cut and simple. I'll be annoyed if Gunnar now is gay, because he hasn't shown a single sign of it before or any struggle being with Scarlet because he liked men. That kind of plot contrivance out of the blue pisses me off. I've had friends who came out later than average and it sure as hell wasn't because a cowboy/girl kissed them and they realised they'd been mistaken about their sexuality the whole time!
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    I'm not liking this Liam bit. The guy tried to rip her off, and now she's hot for him? What's that about?
  33. Jenny

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    Caught up last night - and I sincerely hope that those who live by ratings count the pvrs, because that's how I watch it every week.

    Points to those who called Brokeback Cowboy - I was really hoping it was more music industry related, but in this ep when they were laying on the womanizing so thick it became obvious that's where we'd end up. Jen, not sure why you are worried about Gunner, because didn't he clearly freak when dude kissed him? Unless I'm missing something there too.

    Knew Gunner was using his brother's lyrics (and why do all dead tv and movie characters conveniently leave a diary behind?) but why the big deal when he would have been the one to write the music, no? I liked the song - he's great on the soppy stuff with Scarlett, but I'm glad to see this side as well. There's a song by him that's really hokey country on the CD that I don't remember from the show (maybe it was cut?), and I don't like it all, so this is a good sign. Too bad the producers didn't give it to Avery though as I would have liked to hear him do it.

    And yes, the redemption of Avery continues - makes me wonder once again if fan reaction beginning and mid season influenced the storyline/character development. They tried to make him a bad-boy-in-a-good-way but didn't quite get it right judging by the fact that everyone here (but me!) hated him, so they're trying hard to fix it now and bouncing him too far the other way. He was clearly meant to be one of the stars of the show, so we'll see if they can get it right over the summer.

    LOVED that song with Liam and Rayna!! This is why I pvr - I rewound and watched it twice :) What a great song and performance by both, and Deacon watching was awesome. Then finally Deacon and Rayna reunite in the bedroom - I thought it came on way too quickly but I guess they might have wanted to make it a surprise rather than wait for the obvious season finale moment. Not sure I want them together, but then again I'm sure it will be fraught with issues.

    :lol: at Deacon's girlfriend knowing who Liam was but not knowing any of the many country stars she's been meeting.

    And to everyone who called Dante's trapdooring (love that term dbell!) - we figured he was scamming one way or another, but the way it turned out it really didn't make sense to have him be the controlling jerk manager in the past few eps, because if he was conning the whole time, wouldn't he have stuck to charming and trustworthy? I realize he wanted to cut Juliette off from the influence of others so he could get at the money, but it still doesn't seem like the right MO. Also, why didn't Dante and RE girl stick around a little longer? Dante had fixed it so that he would be the go between buying the house, so they could have got their money on a few more million, no?

    Oh right, Dante's story arc contract must've been up. I really don't like this habit of nighttime dramas - core characters supported by a revolving cast of 3-5 eppers. It becomes too obvious after awhile - certainly has on this show the way everyone just sat around and waited for cowboy and Dante to run their course.

    Anyway I didn't like Juliette with Tebow either - she's so desperate for personal connections that she becomes this mushbrain, and I prefer her strong and forward and in control. And messing with many cute boys :) This is what I loved about her and Deacon - they were on equal ground in many ways, and were actually pretty good for each other I thought. I don't want them to be a couple, but I do want them to go back to being friends with benefits, plus awesome songwriting/performing partners.

    Glad we might be getting more Tandy - love her and Rayna together - but too bad it's with this boring city story. Unless it all directly ties back to Rayna and the music industry, it's a waste of valuable screen time IMO.
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    He did freak, but that could also mean that next week, they're in bed together. This is TV. Callie became a lesbian on Grey's after her marriage to George failed, and with someone with whom she had no chemistry, to boot. I just don't trust the writers :lol:

    My predictions: Scarlett and Gunnar won't last. At least not for now.
    Rayna and Deacon: she'll tell him about Maddie and he'll be all hurt and upset that she didn't tell him 13 years ago and they won't speak for another season, and then end up in bed together again at the end of season 2.
    Avery has now been redeemed (aww) so will end up with Scarlett again. Maybe.
    Juliette will get a proper manager.
    Rayna will fight with Tandy.
  35. Jenny

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    Did he? Do you mean that he was supposed to get a bonus if she signed with the other record company and brought other artists? I agree it was a bit devious to not mention that there would be financial benefit to him too, but I wouldn't call that stealing from Rayna. Had she gone for that deal, she would have benefited financially far more than him, and she would have got the label she wanted. (Remember at the time that Edgehill was giving her a hard time and she felt out of control in her career, which is part of why she went to Liam in the first place).
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    I recalled that he was attempting to double-dip into Rayna's share of the royalties if the deal went through. Was that not what he was doing? Seemed pretty sneaky and makes you wonder what else he had up his sleeve. Regardless, he was also trying to hook up with her when she was still married to her Steady Teddy, so he just seems shady all around. I assume he's just a distraction though, much like Deacon's veterinarian, and will be gone soon.
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    I was one of the ones that was thinking Brokeback cowboy. But I agree with Jen that it will be really annoying if the writers have Gunner be gay. I'd be fine with Gunner being written off the show.

    I totally disagree. Deacon all the way. He's my favorite character on the show. If Maddie really is his, I think that story line will be fascinating -- if the writers don't blow it.

    I thought the Juliette/Dante storyline veered off into stupid.
  38. Jenny

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    Renewed for a second season!!! :cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2::cheer2:

    Also, a comment re this week - which I LOVED -

    Why is it apparently a big deal that Gunner used his brother's lyrics in a song? Gunner would have written the music and arranged it, then performed it, so isn't it just as much his song at this point? And unless his brother copyrighted the songs in his journal, aren't they open for anyone to use? Artists get inspiration in all kinds of places, no? And assuming Gunner is the sole heir of his brother anyway, doesn't he sorta kinda own those words now, and can do whatever he wants with them? And then why wouldn't you just introduce the song as one you wrote, putting the words of your late brother to music and honouring him by performing the hell out of it?

    I don't get it.
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    I don't get it either. Of course, next season Gunnar's brother's girlfriend will suddenly appear and she will know that those lyrics were her "man's" so will use that against Gunnar. And then they will make out.
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    I don't know if Gunnar wrote the melody, but he definitely did not write the lyrics, and he's taking credit for writing the lyrics. The issue is no whether he has ownership rights to the song through inheritance. The issue is that he's pretending to have written lyrics he didn't write and to have a persona he does not have. It's not honest, and if someone signs him thinking this is the kind of music he's capable of writing, they probably would end up feeling duped.