Nashville - Season One (Wednesdays, 10pm on ABC)

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  1. Susan1

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    Geez - a country song made me cry (Rayna's)? Best episode so far. Teddy is total scum. I hope Coleman isn't really falling for this bull. Maybe he's going to push Teddy out once he's in office. Poor Avery - NOT. Too bad that Whitey didn't get there in time to hear Scarlett and Gunner sing. He could have signed them on the spot!

    And the press really didn't find out about Liam and make it look like Rayna was the cheater. I'm glad.
  2. Jenny

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    Susan, I wasn't clear on whether the press was accusing Rayna of an affair with Deacon or Liam - did anyone catch that?

    As for Whitey, he's already setting up a meeting between Rayna and Scarlett/Gunner for her new label. Of course Rayna missed their performance at the party, so we still have that storyline to look forward too.

    As for Teddy, bit of a turnaround here - they had been keeping him on a rather neutral keel, but this ep he sure looked like a jerk, and suddenly Lamar and Tandy are the loving family 100% on Team Rayna. One does wonder how much different writers/directors for each ep influence things because I felt it was all quite a shift. I also wondered why a former mayor would suddenly - without consulting his wife who seemed so big a part of his career - decide to be #2 to Mr. Inexperienced. I guess he might be thinking he'll step back into the Mayor's office when Teddy screws it up? And seriously, in what universe did he think hiring his girlfriend and co-lawbreaker as a "consultant" was a good idea? One only has to read the metro section in any major city to know that's trouble waiting to happen.
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    I'm sorry that they've evilled Teddy up. I used to really like him.
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    I thought it was both. There were multiple tabloid stories. Kind of a bummer that he was the one who embezzled and cheated and has put the cheatee on the public payroll and now Rayna's the one being publicly blamed for cheating. I wonder if her kids are going to buy the public B.S. and when it's all going to come out who the daughter's father is.
  5. Jenny

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    It occurs to me that maybe they are jerkifying Teddy as they marginalize his SL. If other fans are anything like FSU fans, the political story has been the least popular, even with an affair and a top star thrown in. He'll still be there because he's the kids' father and there's still the whole Maddie issue to deal with, but maybe we are going to see less and less of him (although then why they bothered to bring the ex Mayor back into it - is he on contract or something?). Of course this leaving Lamar and Tandy with nothing much to do, and suddenly they are supporting Rayna.

    I still think there's potential with Lamar and Tandy, but for now I'm more than happy to focus on our six musicians and the people around them.
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    I don't know whether the intention is to turn Teddy into a (more of) a jerk. I saw that scene more as Teddy deciding to play hardball on his own initiative, pursuing his own agenda, instead of allowing himself to be Lamar's puppet. We already know that Lamar is bad news, so someone standing up to him could be good news.

    Depends what Teddy's actual agenda is. Allying himself with Cole, who so far has been set up as a good guy, would look like a step in a good direction. And he says he wants to serve the best interests of the city. Of course, how much we can trust what any politician says, or what Teddy specifically says, is always questionable.

    Trouble = juicy storylines. Although not about the music biz, which is the main focus of the show.
  7. chantilly

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    I guess I am one of the few who actually doesn't hate Teddy that much, nor really think he was much a jerk. Rayna is no innocent angel either. She pretty much had an emotional affair the whole time she was married to him. And I though she was pretty unforgiving about the embezzlement thing considering he returned the money. And I also think she pretty much used it as an excuse to leave him because she really didn't love him anymore or ever really like she loved Deacon. She pretty much went to Teddy after it became clear that Deacon was a mess and wasn't getting better anytime soon, all while pregnant with Deacon's kid I might add that Teddy raised as his own. And Teddy didn't sleep with Peggy until it was pretty clear the marriage was over. And he asked for a divorce pretty much the day after it happened. And Rayna pretty much almost slept with Liam and was more than likely going to sleep with Deacon if Teddy didn't show up and ask her for a divorce. Maddie overhearing his conversation on the phone was a unfortunate. And I call a bit of foul on his deep feelings for Peggy so quickly. As for him standing up to Lamar, I liked it. Lamar is a jerk and I like that Teddy won't let himself be manipulated anymore. Him using Peggy's new position to carry on their affair while a bit creepy is understandable since there is no way they could be together otherwise.

    But yeah I agree the political thing seems out of place just because it is so isolated from the rest of the music stories they are telling. I don't think the show would suffer that much if the dropped it but I think it deserves a chance to become something bigger and better.

    I am trying to get behind the Avery story bu so far that actor and his story leave me a bit cold. it was kind of interesting what Whitey said to him. So it might get more interesting. But I am very meh on him and the actor who plays him.

    Loved the Gunnar stuff. And was blindsided by his brother's death.

    Hayden is fabulous as is Deacon.

    I loved Rayna's last song. it was great. Still wish Connie was a better singer. but she is such a great actress, I can get past it especially when the song is that good. I want them to shake up Scarlett a bit. I am beginning to find her a bit boring.
  8. Wyliefan

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    Scarlett's got some backbone when they let her show it. I just wish they'd let her show it more often. (I also wish she'd run a brush through her hair more often.) But I can forgive her a lot for that beautiful voice.

    But it also makes him look like a huge hypocrite, considering his little speech to Lamar about making sure his appointees are in the best interest of the people. Hiring your partner in crime -- literally -- is a MAJOR step in that direction. :rolleyes:
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    True:rofl: But a politician none the less. But whatever. She has some financial experience. What they did was terrible, but they returned the money so I think that mitigates what they did in a big way. At least for me.
  10. Susan1

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    Yeah, they kind of brought up both the guys in Rayna's life, but they seem to focus on Rayna's longer relationship with Deacon. I mean really, a female country singer is not allowed to associate at all with any male members of her band or something? I was afraid they were going to have a video of Rayna going into Liam's hotel room. Why don't they notice that Teddy made his mistress part of his cabinet (or whatever a mayor has)?

    On a side note - I don't see any threads about Dallas on this board? I've been yelling at the t.v.!!!!!
  11. Jenny

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    Good insights chantilly! As this thread's token Avery fan ;) I do feel the need to jump in ... I actually like the actor and character, but more importantly, I think his experience is an important part of the story. In some ways there's some relation to Juliette's current position as someone who's found herself slotted in, and desperately wants to go in a different direction, and be taken seriously as a musician. Avery is at the beginning of that trajectory - at the fork in the road - having to choose between letting someone turn him into something he's not for the sake of fame and fortune, or sticking to his roots and possibly never making it big at all.

    I think Avery, Juliette, Rayna, Deacon, Scarlett and Gunner each have a different story to tell within the same business, and I find it fascinating. Of course Scarlett and Gunner are basically the same story right now (music career wise), but should the show continue for several seasons (network gods, pleeeease!!!), that could easily change - I can see a fork coming up in their road over artistic differences, career choices, and how their personal relationship might mess things up (Rayna and Deacon anyone?).
  12. *Jen*

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    His SL? What's SL?

    Rayna's sister has always been flipping between supporting Rayna and not doing so. It's not such a huge jump for her. As for the father...I'm sure they'll be back to disagreeing soon.

    Disagree entirely. Embezzlement of 2 million dollars is still embezzlement, regardless of whether or not you repaid the money. That might be a mitigating factor in sentencing, but it's still outright theft and a crime. A huge one, at that. The fact Teddy did it, and that he hid it, is something Rayna has the right to be pissed off about. He could still land himself in prison for it for a very long time. You don't think his wife has the right to be annoyed? It is a big deal, that affects their family.

    Also, she didn't leave him. She was pissed off, but she told him she wanted to work on it. He left her. He asked her for divorce after sleeping with his partner in crime...literally. Who totally is the type to go all murdery while holding a kitten :lol: Teddy is an idiot for falling for that act, and lets face it...he was still in love with Peggy when he met Rayna. There was a nice scene where they dealt with that, and said that it was why Rayna and Teddy made a good team.

    I agree. Actually, Avery's story reminds me of Katy Perry. Don't judge, I was bored and watched Part of Me. Anyway, she was slotted in with her old record deal, they were trying to sell her as another Avril Lavigne but she only hit the big time when she was allowed to be herself.

    Avery struggling is one of the most realistic storylines they have. I'm not a fan of his character, but I absolutely want his character to stay in the show. I like watching his story.

    Now to other things...am I the only one who knew Gunnar's brother was going to die? I saw the promo. There was a body covered by a sheet. Jason kept saying people were after him. If you paused the promo, you could actually see Gunnar looking upset next to the body. That Jason was going to die was the least surprising part of the show for me :lol:

    To that end, he said he'd pissed people off in Texas, had the gun for self defence, and that they were after him. That's why he broke parole and ran. I don't know that he pissed anyone off in Nashville.

    What confused me was the thing with Avery's guitar. Why did he return it? I know it was supposed to be symbolic of him choosing a path, but...was it supposed to be him choosing what felt right rather than the role they were boxing him into?
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    SL = Story Line ?
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    It was inevitable that this episode would be a bit of a step down after the last powerhouse wallop. Nice to see Juliette evolving when it comes to her mom, while maintaining her bratty, me-me-me side as well. Loved the way she approached Scarlett in her big ass car with the dramatik rolling down of the window etc etc :rofl: And I was expecting there to be some huge explosion about this party - kind of nice to have the party seem like a smooth success, despite all the undercurrents of trouble. More like real life.

    re: Teddy - I have always seen Teddy as a weak man who's been bobbing alongside the life with his famous wife, and everything about his role since the show started has been his struggle to assert control and self-determination. Sometimes he acts out in selfish ways (ugh, the whole Peggy thing. I hate it more for being tacky than for the fact of the affair), sometimes in ways that cause celebration (when he has stood up to Lamar), but I think his character is more nuanced than just he's nice or he's a jerk. But he's a support character, so we don't get as much time to explore his story as the main group. I do think the Teddy-Coleman partnership is very interesting, though.

    OTOH, Tandy and Lamar are totally unlikeable. Even when they're supporting Rayna I sense that it's only for their own interests. When they do the right thing, it's for the wrong reasons.

    Well, that was an abrupt end to the brother-on-the-lam story. Disappointed that Gunnar is internalizing this as his fault (and you can bet at some point it will be Scarlett's fault for making him kick Jason out), and am I the only one who was totally skeeved out by the Dead Brother Seduction? I mean, those weren't sympathy moves, they were "your despair is making me HOT" machinations. Or possibly "I have no idea how to deal with you in this way but I know you have always wanted me so if we have sex you'll stop crying already, right?". Ick.

    That was a really cute puppy.
  15. HeatherC

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    I haven't gotten a chance to watch my recording of this week's episode yet (I'm watching it tomorrow afternoon :D) but I wanted to let you guys know that there's going to be a Paleyfest panel for Nashville next weekend and it will be streamed live on the below website March 9th at 4:30 PM EST. Thought you guys might want to know about it! :D

    Link: http://new.livestream.com/paleycenter/Nashville
  16. *Jen*

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    :duh: That makes sense...:slinkaway

    I think it was more this. I mean...what do you say to someone in that situation? I have friends who have lost siblings and sometimes there are no words.

    And it's a REALLY cute puppy. I just hope he knows that lab puppies eat and chew EVERYTHING for the first few years! :lol:
  17. genevieve

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    pml, so you seduce them instead?!? :p




    I know what you're talking about, but there's grief stricken sorrow sex, and there's I can't keep my hand off you sex, and this was the latter. I don't know if that's a probem of directing or acting, but it was squicky.
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    Agree. The grief stricken sorrow sex actually made sense. This...didn't.
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    Agreed, and it comes on top of the fact that the brother was not written as a character, but as a plot contrivance. Same with Juliette's 5-minute husband. He was another plot contrivance, not a character. If Nashville keeps this up, it's over. I still think the first 3 episodes have been the strongest and it's been sliding slightly downhill with every episode since. (Still enjoy it though and will keep watching.)
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    I sort of saw the Gunner/Scarlett sex thing as her realizing he needed her. She's always been able to count on him being there and now he's gone all night and not replying to her calls. She might have gone 'I could have lost him'. But, yep, it was like 'cry, cry, sob, kiss cuddle jump'. :p

    Did anyone catch the promo last week on the Oscar show? It was Hayden in a spotlight doing a gorgeous slow version of "Fame". LOVED! But the song's not available to buy. HISS!
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    I thought they were going to go there right away. I was all "Oh, he's going to blame her . . . oh, wait . . . okay, maybe he's not." :lol:
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    I thought that's where they were heading right away too. I'm actually not sure which would have been better

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    I'm sure they'll go there when the novelty of the grief sex wears off ;) And then the grief sex will stop and they'll go back to mooning over each other.
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    I think they might go there too. There are stages of grief, and blame's going to fit in there somewhere. Plus, they can't have the youngsters all happy and sunshine this early on - there have got to be a few more bumps in that road.
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  25. Jenny

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    FINALLY a new ep tonight! Previews look steamy ...
  26. genevieve

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    omg has it been like 2 months since the last new ep?!?

    this one was....just ok. Even though it's been weeeeeks and weeeeks for us, it's the very next day for them, and suddenly, Gunnar is a complete asshat who's willing to throw everything he's worked for away! At a biker bar!! And Scarlett shows that she's a doormat in relationships - but she'll get hers in the end, since her magical ladyparts not only turn men into complete jerks, but feed off of said men to generate her another step forward in a career she swears she doesn't want. whee!

    decent understated scenes with Deacon, Rayna and Teddy in the hospital, with Juliette and her various minions (and ultimately with her mom's counselor, who is guaranteed to be her next inappropriate relationship :p), and WHEEE! Rayna wailing at Juliette on the phone :kickass: Fun stuff with Deacon and Pretty Vet Lady, Anonymous Puppy, and Coleman.

    Oh, and Avery is still on the show. :rofl: at his song being mixed as dubstep

    let's hope the show has shaken off the cobwebs and next week will be back to form.
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    Gunnar in the hood and jacket at the biker bar had me :rofl: - yep, he looked tough. He was going to be slab meat next to worthless brother until scary hair and polo Deacon showed up.

    Teddy's asshattedness continues. Seriously - he tosses the 'you were never there' argument at the family breadwinner? She was off making $ to support the family while he was embezzling with the mopey wanna be gf and going bankrupt. Ugh. Did he marry a singer and think she was never going on tour? And from the previews - inviting Peggy into the home? Yep, that'll stay secret. :rolleyes:

    Juliette on the floor in the kitchen - love Hayden. She can stop a scene with just a look. And :cheer2: to Rayna yelling at her on the phone.

    Glad Avery grew a pair. Had the feeling he'd show up at the Bluebird. Now, will he crawl back to the band or continue on with Gunner's leftover at the songwriting place?

    Puppy is so cute. Figures Horn Dog owner would use it to score a vet. :p
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    So what was up at the end of the show when she got a call informing her that she had a record deal, and she's side-eyeing Gunnar in bed?
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    Heckles - I think they only wanted Scarlett since Gunnar blew off the audition to drink and practice wearing tough guy clothes. :p

    I'm wondering if Rayna will sign Avery next and then pair him with Scarlett? :lol:

    My favorite scene was Deacon singing "Love Like Mine" to the unnamed puppy. And I giggled about "Sue" being his name. Don't think Doc Vet will last long.

    Do we think Juliette's old manager will be coming back soon? Or will it be Rehab counselor/former millionaire taking the job?
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    that's exactly what I was commenting on
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    He's an idiot, then. I don't think she's obligated to be loyal to him. How long have they been performing together? A month? Two?
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    Finally caught up last night - goodness if you are a Deacon fan that ep was for you! Love that Deacon was both totally awkward, and the smoothest guy around :swoon:, and I thought his very, very honest talk with Gunner at the biker bar was awesome.

    As for Gunner, yeah all a bit silly but I can see it. Little brother always wants to be the big man, and is haunted by the time he took off and blames himself for his brother's incarceration - and now for his death. That's pretty heavy, and while it's been weeks for us, it had only been a day or two for him, so emotions still raw. I really thought at some point he'd blame it on Scarlett for refusing to have the gun in the house and wanting to kick him out. Maybe that's to come, once he finds out about the record deal :)

    Believe it or not I was defending the record producer when Avery was having his fit - maybe not what Avery wanted, but he's an adult and should know that this is what this guy does. He invests all the money and effort upfront and makes you a star - they were talking Europe so it seems the guy had big plans for him. Then hubby, a lifelong music fan and reader of music biographies, pointed out the number of big and small musicians who have been screwed by their record companies, and applauded his destroying the tapes. Wasn't big on that Bluebird song (and was expecting to see Wise Whitey or Bucky in the crowd), but did like the character development. So did he pay that $75K with the $100K he got for his song rights? Did that transaction happen?

    Love everything about Juliette, but definitely do not want her getting mixed up with the counselor - just too much given his role in her mom's life. Like the idea of them all going on tour though - because then we get Deacon in that mix too.

    Rayna is fabulous - loved her call to Juliette! "Girl!" :rollin:
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    I love the way Juliette meditates. :lol: But who the heck told her to dress like Maria von Trapp leaving the convent for the first time?

    Do NOT love all this bed-hopping crap. If that's what I wanted, I'd be watching daytime soaps. I know, this isn't Little House on the Prairie, but it's starting to feel out of control. Like a desperate and very obvious grab for ratings. :shuffle:

    Hope dad's not down for the count. I was just starting to like him and his eville ways.
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    Really Teddy, you're letting PEGGY FREAKING KENTER sleep in Rayna's bed? Yep, no one will ever find that out. :wall:

    So - Lamar - poisoned or heart attack? I, know, it's pop's heart, but I think Peggy's going to go all boiled bunny by the end, so I'm totally flinging that out there now. :lol:

    Singing sisters at sound check - too freaking cute. They've got something new up on YouTube, not the 'Ho Hey' thing, I'll have to go find it.

    :lol: @ Rayna's billboard being outside of Juliette's room. But ugh at the 'life coach/rehab guy' turning into Juliette's new boy toy. And Juliette was winning me over until she totally dissed mom offstage and then praised her onstage. Really?

    Scarlett Scary Hair is taking the deal - fun. When did their little house get an upstairs? And a separate laundry room? Really? Talk about plot contrivances.

    Avery's going to NY to join a tour as a roadie? Gee, wonder whose tour it is. :shuffle:

    Is Deacon quitting the tour again? I didn't catch that vet whisperer convo, I was too busy looking for cute puppy.

    Song staging quibble - why do Rayna and Juliette start each song out with their backs to the audience? It should be a drinking game. :p
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    I said that EXACT SAME THING during the show! :lol: That woman is not stable.

    Totally with you on the "ugh." But I don't think Juliette dissed her mom, not really. She had a right to be excited about her deal. And it's not like you can produce warm fuzzy feelings on command for the woman who hurt you and neglected you all through your childhood.
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    I disagree. Frankly I'm starting to hate Juliette's mother with the fire of a thousand suns and now the counselor as well.. I am tired of the mother going on and on about how you aren't there for me, you are trying to make money etc. You would think that Juliette was the parent who spend her life neglecting her child, and the mother was the child.

    The mother should be on her knees literally trying to make it up to Juliette as far as I'm concerned. The mother made Juliette feel bad and she was in the statement in the concert trying to be nice.

    I feel the mother is spoiled and entitled. I thought part of the whole sober process is taking responsibility for your own actions.

    In fact I'm starting to think Juliette deep down is actually quite a sweetheart. She takes awhile to warm up because of all the crap she's been dealt with her life. But she clearly can do nice things for those she cares about....The only thing I do wish is she'd make it up to her old manager. But I can see why she hated being controlled.
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    Called it! Although I didn't anticipate his dark secret (I won't mention it in case anyone missed the preview). woo!

    I used to be able to overlook Scarlett's lame passive wounded bunny girlfriend persona, but I've had it. Grow a spine, girl! And brush your damned hair!

    Loved Rayna's girls singing, even if it was just "Hey! Ho!". Loved all the shots of Deacon and his (sekret) daughter.

    Great ep for Juliette. Rayna's billboard staring her in the face was just too delicious :lol:

    Blah blah Teddy and the fragile snake Peggy, I forgot Lamar was even on the show. Is it too much to hope that this is a chance to write the character out? :saint:
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    I agree with you. Juliette is being very generous to her mother, taking her into her home and now on tour.
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    :rofl:

    But yeah that was really pushing it having Peggy not just come over, but apparently move in. What's she doing in Rayna's house while Rayna's not there? Going through her stuff no doubt.

    They need to somehow integrate the Lamar/Teddy/Peggy/ex Mayor story into the main story better, because right now it feels like they just keep flipping to another show. I doubt Lamar is dead, although the idea of being poisoned is intriguing. I was enjoying Rayna and Tandy together - and there was a glimpse of something there when Tandy said "we all worship you" - but I guess we were being set up for them all rushing to Lamar's bedside, esp with the "Daddy's girl" talk.

    Music news!!! OK I knew the Stella sisters would be performing before too long because they are on the Season 1 - Volume II soundtrack due out next month! Disappointed that the Stella sisters (good Ontario girls btw, from just outside Toronto) are doing that bloody song, ugh. I've never liked the Celtic/East Coast sound and sadly the hipsters seemed to have adopted it in recent years and it's everywhere. Guess I'll just have to wait it out.

    Note also the Scarlett/Gunner song that everyone was upset wasn't on Volume I is the lead track. But what's this new neighbour up to? Is he simply going to go after Scarlett and her mermaid hair and cause more emotional issues for Gunner, or is there more too it? Hubby's first thought was he was going to steal their songs - especially when he said he could hear them. (btw - recognize him? Luke on The OC)

    Only a matter of time before Avery got back in the fold, so one assumes he's joining *our* tour. So, will he step in and take Deacon's place when he quits? Although I had the idea that Deacon planned to finish the tour and not actually quit - can't see him doing that to Juliette, unless her other guitar player (who left because his wife had a baby) conveniently comes back. They've got to get Avery back up on stage performing though, so perhaps a one time thing, some last minute contrivance?

    I'd like to see Avery and Juliette duet. He wants to be bigger, she wants to be smaller (musically, ie play the Bluebird), so I could see them sneaking off on tour to play a small venue or two.

    And I certainly don't want Juliette with Dante. I don't mind him in the counsellor role, but as sexual interest between mother and daughter? Non! And if he's got some big sekret I don't really care unless it directly relates to the story.


    ETA - I just looked at the song list of the second CD again, and OMG no Deacon!!! Guess he hasn't been performing much this half of the season - hopefully that will be rectified after the tour is over and he returns to Nashville. Also, meant to mention that I was disappointed that we heard only the opening line of Juliette's new single, but then again I assume it will be played several more times in upcoming eps.
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  40. dbell1

    dbell1 Well-Known Member

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    Rayna's going to come home, open the door and go "I smell SKANK!" Or Peggy will 'accidentally' leave something somewhere... I'm waiting for the fireworks when Rayna confronts that hag. :lynch: