Nashville - Season One (Wednesdays, 10pm on ABC)

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  1. Jenny

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    It think there might have been a bit of that at the beginning, but now they have a true friendship and connection, and I for one would like that to continue :)
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    Did everyone watch the recap last night? Nice set up for next week's new ep - can't wait!

    It was fun to see the songs performed again - I know them so well from the soundtrack CD, so it was a good reminder of the first time I heard each one. I really liked how they used one character's song as an overlay of another's story.

    Spoiler from the "next week on" for those who missed:
    Looks like Tebow accepts Juliette's proposal (which kinda surprises me, as I thought he'd want to be all traditional about it), although it's unclear if they actually make it to the altar.
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    Oh, I agree. I was just saying, that's how they started out, and one of the major reasons she wanted to be around him in the beginning.
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    Is it just me or did anyone else think the journalist looks like Gordeeva?

    Screw Avery and Screw Gunnar. I want stoopid mumbly Scarlett with JT!!!

    I was a bit disappointed that Sean is really that naive.

    This episode was only okay. I think next week looks great but if this were real life, the tour would be overshadowed by Juliet leaving Sean at the altar. Rayna is currently doing nothing of interest, and this won't help her character.
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    I think she looks like Ali McGraw! :)

    Scarlett sounds about five hundred thousand times better when she's singing her own songs. But at least "rocker chick" was a bit of a change from "deer in the headlights."

    I was kind of hoping Juliette would last a little longer in that marriage, just to stick it to her mother-in-law some more. Besides, my family and I had started a pool on how long it would last. If they really get divorced in the next couple of weeks, I owe my dad a pizza.
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  6. Jenny

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    I still don't think Avery is that bad - in fact, I think it's selfish of his buddies and Scarlett to want him to cast aside his dreams in favour of some sort of dated bro code - they should be happy for him! And, it's not the like the door is closed on them - if he's a success, there are still opportunities for them - many big stars bring their childhood friends along for the ride and find career opportunities for them too.

    It would be interesting to know if Twist of Barb Wire is supposed to have been written by Avery, or if it's the band's, or if they even bothered to nail it down (never mind it was actually written by Elvis Costello :)). Could be an interesting storyline if Avery records it, and so does Scarlett with his old band - and interestingly, the way Scarlett sang it was a lot more like the way Dominic wanted to mix it for Avery. Avery's original version is on the soundtrack CD btw, and sounds great.

    Another interesting thing this ep is that Teddy knows Maddie isn't his. I wonder if they intended that when Rayna's father first threatened her with it in ep 1, because in this version, it makes Teddy a lot stronger. Assuming the actual father is Deacon, this makes his messed up emotional situation that much more complicated, just as we are learning that it might have been the death of a friend that sent him into rehab and broke up his relationship with Rayna.

    We're also continuing to see that Juliette and Rayna have a lot more in common than they think. In this ep, we saw that both have a habit of running when things get too hard to deal with - whether it's running from the altar, suggesting they jet off to NY, abruptly going on tour ("I just know when it's time to head out on tour"), breaking off a relationship (not just Juliette, but Rayna dumping Deacon when he likely needed her most), or simply storming out of the room as both have done several times so far.

    Love, love, love this show!
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    Oh, thank God Teddy didn't kiss that stupid woman. I was literally yelling at him not to!

    Of course, I'm sure we're not rid of her yet . . .

    Also, :rofl: at Rayna's producer, what's-his-name, calling Juliette out on her everlasting brattiness. I can't help liking her, but she IS a brat, and she needs to be told so early and often. I think this guy needs to stick around a while!
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    Thank goodness for Chicago Fire in reruns for a couple weeks so I can focus on Nashville alone for a while! I love them both but dang, it makes my Wednesday nights insane trying to focus on both of them when they're new. :eek:

    Anyway, I LOVE THIS SHOW. Loved the guitar guy (whose name I can't remember) giving Juliette a lesson in sharing, loved Deacon standing up for Scarlet and getting the heck off that other tour (I don't remember that friend of his being a total d-bag before), I liked Avery standing up to that smarmy manager lady, and I really liked seeing both Rayna and Juliette perform tonight. Next week's show looks fantastic and I cannot wait to see what other stuff happens with the tour mates again. How fast do you guys think Deacon will end up on the tour with Rayna & Juliette??! ;) :cheer: :swoon: :biggrinbo

    Favorite Quote: "That's the closest thing to an apology that I've ever heard come from her." -Juliette's manager :lol:
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    My favorite country singer, Chris Young, has a cameo next week. I am OVER THE MOON. :swoon: I doubt he'll sing -- "cameo" doesn't sound like a singing appearance -- but it'll be so cool just to see him on there!

    And yeah, the minute that guy started hitting on Scarlett, I said aloud, "Rayna's got herself a guitar player!" Such nice convenient timing. :D
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    Much of this ep was predictable, but I enjoyed it anyway :cheer:

    Deacon had to get off that tour to reunite with Rayna eventually, you knew Gunner's brother was planning to take off, Avery falling for the fast talking producer was inevitable, and Teddy's win of course. I don't think he's going to end up sleeping with KW-P and I think they likely want to keep his character as clean and struggling against his FIL's manipulations while trying to be a good husband.

    Love the tour name - Red Lips White Lies! I hope they show Rayna and Juliette performing together again, and once Deacon's on the tour, maybe he'll end up playing for Juliette as well? Then perhaps Undermine comes back??

    Love Rayna's producer guy - hope we learn more about him and that he doesn't turn into a jerk, and I'm waiting for Tandy's story - but I bet that will be season 2.
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    Is that it for Tim Tebow? Aww, buh-buy Christian Football Player With the Giant Tattoos, but I did love your final scene. Anyways, we know Juliette will end up with Liam, as they both currently cute-despise each other.

    Gunnar's brother looked damn familiar, but then I realized he was in one of my favourite episodes of The Ghost Whisperer. They even look like brothers. They both smile similarly.

    The chemistry between Teddy and Kimberly Williams was *smokin'* in that final scene. I don't know if Teddy actually has any feelings for her, but I think he misses someone who is truly in love with him.

    Avery does not interest me at all. Way extraneous.
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    That was something else when he said something to Juliette along the lines of, "You said I wouldn't like you if I got to know you. You were right." Ouch!
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    I don't know. . . . They might, but they might not. I realize cute-despising is one of the biggest romantic tropes of all time, but I think the despising might be just a little too strong in this case, especially on his side. We'll see.

    I've given up making predictions about this show, anyway. I lost a bet with my dad over the length of Juliette's marriage. (I gave it six weeks, he gave it three, so he was closer.)
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    The idea of Liam and Juliette is interesting. She already went after Deacon, so I could see her going after Rayna's new collaborator/guitar player too - especially when Deacon is back in the picture.

    I hope they continue to develop Liam - there could be an interesting story there as he's won over to country music, and continues to help Rayna develop her sound. Plus, he's one of the few that isn't impressed by her celebrity and position as queen of country music, so one of the few that will actually speak straight to her and maybe help her grow as a person as well as a musician.

    Back to KWP - I do like her, but don't like that she's gone from strong and somewhat mysterious to cloying - if she continues, I'd like her to be a force. If Teddy hooks up with her - or better yet lets her get involved in his mayoral work, which would be far more interesting than an affair - then it would be fun to see her butting heads with FIL and Tandy.

    Random trivia about the actors:

    The Stella sisters, who play Rayna's kids, are the children of country singers the Stellas, who live in Nashville but are Canadian.

    Also add Liam to the list of key characters who are not American - he's Dutch, Gunner is a Brit, and Scarlett is from Australia. I must say they have all mastered the accent :)

    Tilky Jones, who plays Sean, was a member of the band Take 5 before he started acting.
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    I don't see Peggy ever becoming a force of any kind. She is, as you said, far too cloying and clinging. And I don't think it's just a front, like Scarlett O'Hara pretending to be a delicate Southern belle -- I think that's really how she is.
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    Yeah, it's a pity. When she first came on the show, positioned as part of the country club set and clearly up to something businessy with Teddy, I imagined her as Julia Roberts' character in Charlie Wilson's War. If you aren't familiar with the movie (or the book), she plays a smart Texas socialite who uses her connections to make things happen in Washington, based on a real life person. I had hoped that's where they were going with Peggy, but sadly it seems not. At least at the moment - they could still turn it around I think.
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    just got caught up...these first 2 episodes felt rushed and full of needless exposition and only a few scenes of substance. wish they'd allowed at least one more episode for Juliette's marriage before she pulled her inevitable disappearing act, and I wish there were at least one more ep of Deacon touring with the Revel Kings so we can see that relationship truly crumbling. Very interesting to see the dynamics of Rayna and Teddy's marriage and how he has known all along about Maddy's paternity. The bit with Peggy at the end was dumb...her intro to the show made her seem like a powerful romantic rival for Rayna, and now she comes across as a needy, unbalanced stalker. Ew. The less we see or hear of her again, the better.
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    Ooooh, that was a good episode. Best one yet, I think. And not just because Chris Young brought his studliness along. (Though it certainly didn't hurt. :swoon: ) I LOVED Juliette's last scene with her mom. And I loved Scarlett singing at the end -- she's never sounded so confident.

    But it seemed like everybody and his brother had some sort of remark to make about Rayna's marriage! What's that about? My gosh, I was starting to root for her to tell them all it was none of their business, and go home and make up with Teddy for good. Like the man said, he's done all the apologizing he can do!

    Looking at the preview, though, when Ms. Hot Mess comes back into the picture . . . it dawns on me that Teddy's got a pattern. He goes for women who are falling apart and need someone to "fix" them. No wonder he can't seem to tell Peggy to get away from him -- she's the textbook definition of "falling apart." :(
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    Great episode tonight and I'm glad Deacon didn't really fall off the wagon (aside from the random breaking of his guitar....line of the night: "It was out of tune" :lol: ). I need to get some sleep but I'm super stoked that this show seems to get better and better every week. It's really finding it's stride now and I can't wait to see where they take everything. Next week looks really good!! :cheer:
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    I hope it wasn't that super-expensive guitar that Juliette gave him. :lol:

    Didn't Deacon drink last week, though? I kind of thought he did, but I'm not sure . . .
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    Is it weird that I'm starting to like Juliette better than Rayna?
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    I am too. Hayden is doing incredible things with that role. Despite all Juliette's brattiness, you can't help but feel for her!

    Plus there was the matter of everyone on the tour more or less ganging up on her. I know, she brought most of it on herself, but she's way younger than most of them. You'd think at least a few of them could show a little maturity and take the high road.
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    Wyliefan - I thought that too about no 'high road'. The giggling with Rayna and Liam on Juliette's plane about the mother's court date was pretty noxious. We saw Rayna tell her manager 'she's good' regarding Juliette, but I guess after Juliette's inital crap when they met and then the comments/actions since, that Rayna's not going to be nice.

    My favorite scene was Juliette ignoring Avery's trying to hit on her and walking away. Guess he thought their inital meeting meant something, but Juliette was just in 'flirt mode' that night.

    Or it might have been Juliette and her mom at the end. That was amazing.

    I'm just wondering who's now playing guitar for Rayna - obviously Liam's gone the way of the other fired guys (shame, I was starting to like him). Did Juliette dump her lead guitarist for Deacon? And Rayna's out there with another open spot! And Deacon and his sunglasses getting onto the plane and dissing Teddy on the way past? :lol: LOVED! I've been waiting for him to not be a lap dog.

    Teddy bugs me. He's still keeping the other woman hanging (last week's hotel scene), but doing the "I'm a great guy that you're ignoring" with Rayna, who had his scandals tossed in her lap. Does he think she hooks up with every guy? Protest a bit too much?

    So, Avery's got a hit and no one to share it with? Hope that car keeps him warm at night. :p What's the ex-band's name now? Avery's Rejects?
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    The plot holes are starting to bug.

    This week we open with Rayna and Juliette singing at a concert, somewhere. Tokyo? Cleveland? A week ago they suddenly decided to go on a four-month tour. They booked the arenas, paid for ads, booked the plane and sold tickets that quickly?

    Creative license and all that, but they could fill in these holes and still keep the story moving at a decent clip.
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    They were in Dallas. Rayna said, "Thank you Dallas" after the song ended when she and Juliette were on stage.

    More time is passing that just what we're seeing on the screen (ex. Deacon had been touring with the Rebel Kings for a while when he left them last week) so you should probably just suspend any disbelief and go with the flow. Rarely does a show pull the whole "24" thing where time frames match up exactly anymore.

    Hehe, forgot how much I loved the scene where Avery saw his ex-girlfriend and Gunner rocking out with his old band! :lol: :respec:
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    Rayna shouted, "Thank you (garbled)" and it was hard to tell. You're right, I just replayed it and it does sound like Dallas. An episode or two ago, both Rayna and Juliette were still debating whether to go on a four-month tour "this Sunday", which implied less than a week's planning. It seemed that the idea for the tour wasn't even conceptualized until after their Opry performance together. I think the storyline would have been more plausible if the women were booked at the last minute as the opening act for another band whose opening act fell through; that way there would still be the performance scenes and backstage drama, both of which are done really well.
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    Yes but Juliette is quite a lot younger than Rayna, and Rayna may have a rotten father but something tells me Juliette got dealt a far worse hand.

    I must say I thought better of Rayna and Teddy when I learned Teddy knew all along that Maddy wasn't his daughter.
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    Yeah, Teddy has been an awesome father to both girls, and never once showed a preference. So he's got that going for him.
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    Has the bio-father's identity been mentioned by any of the characters? I assume it's Deacon.

    This show is an hour-long country song, ain't it?
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    Wouldn't have been realistic for them to open for anyone - they are both superstars. As for starting "on Sunday" they mentioned last week that they had played a series of smaller venues to warm up, during which time the larger venues could have been arranged. Remember also that both Rayna and Juliette had tours planned that got cancelled (Rayna's failing record and Juliette's shoplifting), so they might have been able to get some of those dates back. And no trouble booking the plane - it's Juliette's.

    Other thoughts: Rayna went up big time in my books when we found out that she had put Deacon in rehab 5 times. Before that, I had the impression that he only went once, and she abandoned him then. Also interesting that we once again saw Rayna quit/run at the first sign of trouble, but at the same time seems to have decided (for now) to stick with her marriage and her record label. The conversation with Calista at her house was interesting in that it was really two conversations. (side note - can you believe that Ming Na Wen is 50??)

    SOOO disappointed that they took the jerk road with Liam! There was so much more opportunity with that character. Same as with KWP - turning a potentially awesomely interesting character into a one-dimensional nothing. Curses to short term contracts and story arcs!

    I guess I'm the only fan rooting for Avery. I felt bad for him, finally getting somewhere after all his hard work and no one to share it with. Kinda like Juliette in a way, no?

    Which brings me to Juliette - LOVE this character and all her flaws. The scenes with her mom were A+ - I almost shed a single tear! And big big props to Hayden Paniwhatever - she can do more with her facial expressions than most can do with their words and actions.

    And I love love love that she and Deacon are teaming up - I love their friendship, and am really hoping we get to see Undermine performed on stage!

    Sadly no scenes from next week for me - cable was gacking, even the western feed that I pvred overnight was a mess, so I ended up getting On Demand, sadly with no previews. If anyone cares to share, please do :)
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    That's another part I don't get. Some dialog implies that both women are A-list country stars. Other scenes imply that Rayna is a has-been, and Juliette is still up-and-coming. There are also references to Rayna being a country legend, but it appears that she's only in her early 40s. Reba McIntyre is a legend in her late 50s, but Faith Hill, in her mid-40s, isn't yet. Something that country has over other genres is that both the male and female stars are loved well into old age. People still love Loretta Lynn at what, 80?

    What's so good about Juliette's character is that just when she starts appearing to be completely unlikable, something from her background shows why she's had to be so tough. Maybe some of her poor treatment of Rayna is misplaced anger about her mother?
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    Not that this necessarily matches the characters, but the actresses playing Rayna and Juliette were born in 1967 (so 46 this year) and 1989 (24). They do seem to be casting people at their own ages though, and the 22 year age difference makes sense to the story. Reba McEntire was born in 1955, and I'd say she was a legend by the late 80s - in her early 30s -when she was winning every award in sight and selling out concert tours year after year. OK maybe not legend, but definitely superstar :) Ditto Taylor Swift and Carrie Underwood - not legends, but definitely superstars. I think Juliette is supposed to be on their level - no longer up and coming, definitely arrived. As you noted, in country once you've arrived you tend to stay.

    As for Juliette and Rayna's relationship, I thought it was interesting that when speaking privately, her mother said that Juliette had admired Rayna since she was a little girl. I think Juliette's animosity toward Rayna is not so much the person but what she represents - Juliette has the money, fame and toys, but not the acceptance as a musician and songwriter and member of the community she craves. As her mother also pointed out, Rayna grew up privileged (and Wyatt has said he financed her early career), so it could be that once she entered the business, Juliette became more aware of that, and resentful or jealous, and annoyed that she's having to do it the hard way and not getting credit for it.

    I think we are also seeing that while Juliette is a diva when it comes to her stardom, she's a total professional when it comes to her job - and this early experience on tour is suggesting that Rayna is also a diva on the job (ie hogging stage time in the duet, taking more credit for their song, letting people think it's all her). The fun thing about Rayna is that it doesn't seem to be an effort or conscious decision to be a diva, or come from a sense a privilege or greed - it's just something that's always been, and she inhabits it naturally.
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    Yeah, they're loved, but they find it increasingly difficult to get airplay. George Strait and Reba are both still adored, but radio is less and less inclined to play their songs; Reba's last two singles couldn't make it above #40. Dolly Parton and Loretta Lynn are adored, but they couldn't get arrested at any given country station. It sucks, and I'm pretty sure it's not what the fans want, but I'm not so sure that radio cares what the fans want anymore.

    And even Faith is really struggling to get airplay after several years off. (Not that I mind THAT. Not a big Faith fan here. :saint: )

    I think the show's depiction -- that one can be the Queen of Country Music and have tons of fans and still be struggling -- is really pretty accurate.
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    Wyliefan, I think you've commented on this before so I'll ask - how important is radio play? I know it's more important for country than other genres, but how important? Country stars also churn out more albums than most other acts - often one per year - plus they do a ton of touring, more often than most. Albums and concerts bring in the money - is radio that important to support that effort?

    They other thing about country stars is that they tend to show up at everything - lots of awards shows inc performances at those shows - which has to be significant in relation to radio, no? Personally I don't listen to much current radio, but I have bought CDs and even one DVD (Kenny Chesney in 3D :cheer2:) thanks to getting to know the stars on awards shows.

    As for the older stars, they tend to branch out at some point - Reba did a little movie acting years ago, but then went on to be a successful tv actress; some stars are now judging tv talent programming; and isn't Faith Hill schilling a cookbook? (OK that's likely not lucrative, and we don't know if it's just merchandising her brand of if it's something she loves and now has time to do.)

    In recent years, I can think of two stars - mentioned by you above - who have also done interesting projects. Loretta Lynn did a CD with Jack White that is FANTASTIC, and Reba did a duets CD. She's done lots of duets in the past as does everyone else, but the best track on that CD is the one with Justin Timberlake, in which he kinda Jack Whites her - it's not so much a duet as Justin presenting Reba in a new way. Maybe not the best move financially, but artistically I hope it was something she wanted to do. Plus Reba is now busy with her protege/future stepdaughter in law :)

    As you might guess, it's those two projects that had me excited about Liam and Rayna and where that could go - but sadly I guess his contract/story arc is over :(
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    That's a really good question, Jenny, and I wish I were better equipped to answer it. There are people at the Pulse Country board who could answer it in exhaustive detail, but I'm not nearly as knowledgable as most of them. :) The impression I get, though, is that radio play really helps drive everything else -- tours, albums, awards, etc.

    I know what you mean about the Jack/Loretta collaboration making the Rayna/Liam collaboration all the more interesting! It is kind of a shame that they went in that direction with it.
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    It seems the character is a few years younger but I would still consider 46 is a little too young in country music for "legend" status. Martina McBride is 46 but still doesn't have that "legend" feel to me yet.

    I seem to recall in the first episode, Juliette's manager was walking her to Rayna's dressing room at the Opry and said something along the lines that because Juliette was still on her way up, she needed to meet those who had already arrived. Country stars gush about knowing they'd "arrived" when they played the Opry, but there are a lot of performers there who are still new. Juliette was intentionally catty when she first ignored Rayna for Deacon, and then told Rayna that her mother had listened to her music while pregnant with Juliette. I was hoping by now that the two would have made nice, especially after they wrote the song together, but I assume that's going to be delayed by this storyline about Juliette hiring Deacon. I'm guessing Juliette and Deacon will flaunt a romantic relationship just to tick off Rayna.
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    what a great episode this week! the only part that was a bit heavy handed was when Liam was talking about Rayna sticking with something old and stale - and the camera pans to Teddy several times - OMG JUST LIKE HER MARRIAGE!! - and then Liam even says "just like your marriage", for anyone who couldn't figure it out! Overkill, and a dead giveaway that Rayna would not leave her marriage OR her label.

    OTOH, the evolution of Juliette getting dumped on by just about everyone, and her relationship with her mom, to the final plane scene, were all handled beautifully. Loved how Juliette and Deacon were even sitting in the seats at the end where Rayna and Liam were in the opening. Well played!

    Happy to see Deb/Jing-Mei from ER!
  40. Jenny

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    Yeah that bugged me - there was no foreshadowing in previous episodes, Liam just suddenly became a jerk. At least with the Rebel Kings dude, there was something slimey about him from the get go, and there was an early scene with him around the pool with what apparently were transient girls on his arm (I only noticed because he came back to the group kinda suspiciously so I wondered if despite his claim of sobriety he was actually drinking or doing drugs).

    Meant to address this before - in the first ep when Juliette first approached Deacon she said her guitar player's wife was about to have a baby and he wanted time off. One might assume he was waiting for her to find a replacement, or he had already left and she had a temporary guy.