Mystery of the figure skater whose picture was found with ashes in Arlington Cemetery

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  1. olympic

    olympic Well-Known Member

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...l-in-photo/2011/08/18/gIQAhGBjOJ_story_1.html

    Bizarre. Her pic was mysteriously found in a plot at Arlington Cemetery. They don't know who she is.

    Investigators have been able to narrow down that this photo was taken at the Ice Works rink in Aston, PA around 1999 and 2000.

    Was this perhaps a Jr. competitor in Liberty Open 1999? :eek: [if the comp. existed back then ... ] Since she's in a skating outfit, this looks like a competition, not a practice.

    Heck, maybe someone on FSU could recognize her!
     
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  2. manleywoman

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    I was just coming here to post this. Bizarre.
     
  3. Sylvia

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    The Liberty Summer Competition moved to IceWorks in Aston, PA in July 2004. The competition was renamed 'Liberty' around 2002 and relocated to the Pond Ice Arena in Newark, Delaware for 2 summers (2002 & 2003). It was known as 'Wissahickon' up until 2001 when it was hosted by the club of that name in the Northwest section of Philadelphia known as Chestnut Hill.

    ETA: I just checked the IceWorks site and it said that the "Twin Rinks of Aston opened its doors to the public in October of 1997." I don't recall when and how big the skating competitions were that were held there in those early years.
     
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  4. Louise

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    I wish the article gave more details. She was cremated and put in Arlington? Where did the picture come from? You would think it would be relatively easy to find a competitive skater who went missing. Her costume looked like the typical juvenile/novice skating dress, so her parents put some money into her skating. Strange.
     
  5. JamieElena

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    It was a bit confusing, I had to read it twice before I saw that under the picture it says that her picture was found in a bag in an urn of ashes of an unknown soldier. So she is alive and if is still into skating, may very well be an FSU'er....
     
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  6. flyingsit

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    The picture reminded me of a young Kati Hadford.
     
  7. Jenna

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    This is definitely IceWorks, but it's not the Liberty competition because Sylvia pointed out it wasn't even hosted there until 2004. Very bizarre.
     
  8. Skittl1321

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    I don't think they think they are her ashes- I think they think the girl in the picture might provide a clue as to whose ashes they are. Like maybe her picture was set in with her Dad's ashes.
     
  9. Yehudi

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    Arlington has major problems right now with the discovery that a lot of the graves have been misidentified and the remains of more than one person being buried at a particular location. In regards to this case, last year they discovered a mass grave with 8 urns, all marked "unknown" and so they are trying to identify the remains. As JamieElena said, the photo was found with the urn and they are hoping that it is a clue as to who is the soldier in the urn. Here's an updated article with more info on what's going on at Arlington.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...irl-in-photo/2011/08/18/gIQAhGBjOJ_story.html
     
  10. AYS

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    Maybe a change in the thread title would be helpful, to indicate "figure skater whose picture was found with ashes in Arlington..."

    A board like fsu may be the absolute best possible way to get this picture in front of the right person, identify the skater and ultimately the person whose ashes they are. I hope getting the picture out on the internet like this leads to the answer.
     
  11. JamieElena

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    Ahhhh, it all makes sense - now that I see I hadn't read page 1 of the story only page 2. All the links before this pointed to page 2 and I didn't see there was a page 1.

    The heartwrenching thing is thinking about families not knowing or who believe their relatives remains lie somewhere where they aren't.
     
  12. Capella

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    The pose looks very Don Quixote-like, even though the dress doesn't scream that music.
     
  13. elka_sk8

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    That's the impression I got too- sounds like they don't know WHO the ashes belong to, but since it's in Arlington, a soldier seems most likely.

    Saw the article this morning and was wondering if anyone had posted it here yet- hopefully someone can solve the mystery!
     
  14. Lara

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    I found this timeline for IceWorks:
    http://iceworksskatingcomplex.wordpress.com/timeline/

    If IceWorks only had interim probationary status as a USFSA (now USFS) member in 1999 you wouldn't expect there to have been any major competitions at the time, especially as the rink wasn't fully expanded till 2001. So I'm not sure about the likeliness of it not being a local skater despite the lack of identification so far.

    Unfortunately you can't really tell if it's even a competition or a run-through trying out a new dress...
     
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  15. Skittl1321

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    Could it have been an ISI competition?
     
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    She has her right arm raised in a classical ballet 3rd position. If her left arm was on her hip, then maybe...but one arm raised won`t tell us much, except that it wasn`t river dance. ;)
     
  17. julieann

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    I think you're right, I'm not sure why it was assumed they were her ashes and not her father, grandfather, brother etc. It was a horribly written story and hopefully someone can write a better one with more facts and someone may recognize the girl in the photo if not the girl herself.
     
  18. victoriaheidi

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    Now that I've read both pages (I, too, mistakenly read page 2 and believed it was the only page. Whoops!), I think the question of whose remains they are is somewhat unsolved, too. According to the article:

    I do agree with the person who said that FSU may be the best place to find the answer to this kind of question. I hope this mystery gets solved!
     
  19. Visaliakid

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    The first entry is a major Error In Fact. The Girl Ashes were NOT found in urn in Arlington National Cemetary... A photo of this young girl (at the time) was found in an urn with an unidentified soldier's ashes. Would mods correct this please or have the originator of the thread redo the initial information. The correct info is circulating the web via Facebook and Twitter.
     
  20. victoriaheidi

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    Hate to double-post, but still:

    1. Kati Hadford is a native Virginian
    2. She's 22 right now
     
  21. Sylvia

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    Me too, I wondered why some crucial facts were left out :shuffle: ...some things are now cleared up. Thanks for pointing out a page one.
     
  23. danceronice

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    Assuming it's someone who has a right to be interred in Arlington, the options are:

    1. A member of the armed forces who died in combat, served and retired/was discharged after long enough to qualify for Arlington, or recieved certain decorations that qualify for internment regardless of service length (the qualifications for cremains in the columbarium are slightly less than for intact burials because they take up less space).
    2. A spouse of someone meeting the qualifcations above
    3. The minor child of the above.
    4. Someone recieving a special exemption for Arlington burial (highly unlikely they'd screw that one up, but it's possible.)

    Unfortunately, because the rules for cremains are a little less stringent, and because they can be shipped to the cemetery for internment (rather than the very strict scheduling required for intact burials) that makes it a lot easier for these screw-ups to happen and a LOT harder to identify remains.

    Depending on when the remains were dumped, it could be a 1. and the skater is the daughter, granddaughter, friend, other relative of the person in the urn, it could be a 1. and it's her as she'd now be old enough to be serving in Iraq or Afghanistan (though one would think they could eliminate that possibility quickly as there aren't an insurmountable number of dead and even fewer females), it's a 3., they're her ashes and one or both parents are military or already buried in Arlington....

    But really, I'm kind of surprised FSU hasn't come up with an answer already and just one suggestion! This is certainly the place to ask.
     
  24. Skittl1321

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    If you think there is even the slightest chance, it might be worth emailing that name in. It at least gives them someone to check.
     
  25. taf2002

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    When I saw the picture I was positive I've seen her skate. But the only comps I've been to that she could have skated at were minor ones in Texas. I've been to Worlds, Nationals, & Skate America, but if she could qualify for one of those she would have been identified by now. Maybe she just has a familiar face.
     
  26. olympic

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    ^Sorry to all about the link. I'm quite tired today and it looks like I posted it incorrectly :eek:
     
  27. FigureSpins

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    Can you correct your opening post? It's misleading.
     
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