Most undermarked skater ever

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by grassroots39, Apr 28, 2014.

Biggest wuzrobbed skater in history

  1. Drobiazko & Vanagas

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    21.3%
  2. Shishkova & Naumov

    11 vote(s)
    2.9%
  3. Yu Na Kim

    109 vote(s)
    28.6%
  4. Denkova & Stayviski

    8 vote(s)
    2.1%
  5. Weaver & Poje

    12 vote(s)
    3.1%
  6. Usova & Zhulin

    10 vote(s)
    2.6%
  7. Daisuke Takahashi

    27 vote(s)
    7.1%
  8. Selezneva & Makarov

    3 vote(s)
    0.8%
  9. Todd Eldredge

    33 vote(s)
    8.7%
  10. Lu Chen

    19 vote(s)
    5.0%
  11. Delobel & Schoenfelder

    22 vote(s)
    5.8%
  12. other (specify)

    46 vote(s)
    12.1%
  1. grassroots39

    grassroots39 Member

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    Who do you consider the most undermarked or most wuzrobbed figure skater in history.
     
  2. coraczek

    coraczek Member

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    Drobiazko and Vanagas. When I saw just the title of the thread I immiedately thought about them. It's a pity there was no strong federation behind them.
     
  3. Taso

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    Good lord Shishkova & Naumov. They got screwed out of a place or two way too many times, and 1996 worlds in the free skate just totally puts the icing on that cake. 4th was beyond crazy, what on earth....
     
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  4. N_Halifax

    N_Halifax Well-Known Member

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    Drobiazko and Vanagas, although I have to say the Duchesnays were right up there.
     
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    Matt Savoie.
     
  6. N_Halifax

    N_Halifax Well-Known Member

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    Yes!
     
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  7. frillit

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    The Duchensays are one of the most OVERmarked teams of all time. Anytime I hear anyone say they were undermarked I feel like throwing something at the TV screen.
     
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  8. Nours

    Nours Active Member

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    I'm totally with you !
     
  9. frillit

    frillit Member

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    I voted for Drobiazko & Vanagas. Kim would have been my 2nd choice though, and Eldredge my 3rd, just as the poll is so far. Lu Chen would have been my 4th, surprised she has no votes.
     
  10. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    Klimova-Ponomarenko. IMHO, they were better then BB.
    Moiseeva-Minenkov
    Rahkamo-Kokki
    Orser
    Akiko Suzuki
     
  11. coraczek

    coraczek Member

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    They might have been better, but there's no consensus about it. Still even when they were competing with BB, they achievied very good results. Already in 1984 they had bronze at the Olympics, so calling them most undermarked skaters, is a big exaggeration.
     
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  12. grassroots39

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    True, there are some incredibly stupid people who know nothing about ice dance who might think B&B were better. However amongst sane humans there is a consent.
     
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  13. pani

    pani Well-Known Member

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    You are right, maybe not most undermarked.
    I am thinkin about Krylova-Ovsynnikok.
    And about Bourne-Kraatz, because they lose FP-M and LA. And in 1998i think they deserv bronze
     
  14. coraczek

    coraczek Member

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    I would be careful about calling other people stupid. Anyway, it doesn't matter what we think, I will never agree that K&P were the most undermarked skaters in the history.
     
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  15. coraczek

    coraczek Member

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    Thanks:)
     
  16. Xela M

    Xela M Active Member

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    Moiseeva & Minenkov who first started doing what T&D later did. Linichuk & Karponosov made me want to slit my wrists and I think M&M weren't appreciated nearly enough.
     
  17. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    I have to go with Shishkova-Naumov. They were undermarked almost throughout their career, and later as pros too.
     
  18. Prancer

    Prancer Jawwalking Staff Member

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    You mean a consensus?

    Link, please, to the poll where sane people (certified, I assume, by a panel of psychiatrists) who know ice dance (certified, I assume, by....well, someone) demonstrated this consensus?
     
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  19. Johnny_Fever

    Johnny_Fever Well-Known Member

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    The Duchensays were undermarked. ;)
     
  20. grassroots39

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    They can only blame themselves for staying with the Velikovs all those years. Look at who their major rivals were coached by:

    Miskutnienok & Dmitriev, Bechke & Petrov, Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze- Tamara Moskvina
    Eltsova & Bushkov- Tamara's husband (they left him at some point but still had connections with him I believe)
    Gordeeva & Grinkov- Marina Zoueva
    Kazhakova & Dmitriev- Tamara Moskinva

    Then some of their non USSR rivals:

    Kovarikova & Novotny- Irina Rodnina
    Meno & Sand- John Nicks

    Basically the only top team they competed against who had a coach with no real political clout as well was Woetzel & Steuer who were coached by the little known Monika Schieb. I have heard even Brasseur & Eisler's coach of the time- Josee Picard, was quite forceful behind the scenes and could sway a surprising number of people. They should have found a way to move to someone, anyone, with some kind of political pull.

    One of the reasons Petrova & Sikharulidze split, leading to the Berezhnaya pairing, was Maria wanted to stay with the Velikovs and Anton didnt. He knew they werent going to win anything being coached by them. The only way a team being coached by them will win something is if they skate cleanly in a weak event/splatfest like how Shishkova & Naumov and Petrova & Tikhonov won the 94 and 2000 worlds, and even then no guarantees.
     
  21. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    This is where the tragedy is. A skater can be over/undermarked depending on who the coach is, and not on how they skate. I thought that was the purpose of this thread.
     
  22. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    Oh yes !
     
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  23. JeffClair1979

    JeffClair1979 Scissoring Cizeron!

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    I was hoping to see Yukari Nakano- I feel like she just NEVER scored as high as she should have *cough2008coughcough*
     
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  24. smarts1

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    Yukari Nakano definitely gets my vote. The girl should have been on the podium in 2008.

    Second vote goes to Lulu (on the presentation mark).

    Third to Akiko.
     
  25. Xela M

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    They weren't the most undermarked skaters EVER, but Mishkutenok & Dmitriev were always undermarked whenever Gordeeva & Grinkov were in the picture.
     
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  26. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    If you watched them both competed, you know why G&G were favored.
     
  27. shady82

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    Nakano finished off the podium in 2008 mainly because she got several UR calls (IMO unnecessary), her PCS scores were appropriately high in the free. I do agree she tends to be undermarked though.
     
  28. blue_idealist

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    I picked D&V although I would also like to mention B&K in dance (although that might have been more of a case of FP/M being overmarked a lot) and Pang & Tong in pairs. Pang & Tong weren't always undermarked, but they should have won the silver in Torino.
     
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  29. museksk8r

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    Kostner at the 2014 Olympics
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  30. Seerek

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    Even though they were coached by prominent coaches (Frank Carroll and Carlo Fassi), Fumio Igarashi and Emi Watanabe from Japan from the late 1970s didn't get the free skating scores and placements they probably deserved.