Most disliked coach.

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  1. OrioleBeagle

    OrioleBeagle Active Member

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    Who do you dislike more- Tom Z or Morozov. (Or is there another coach out there more worthy of contempt?)
  2. Zokko!

    Zokko! Comansnala?

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    Mishin? :confused: Well, I respect him, but I'm always under the impression he's not well liked here.

    Who's Tom Z.?
  3. MikiAndoFan#1

    MikiAndoFan#1 Well-Known Member

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    Tom Zakrajsek, Flatt's coach.
  4. briancoogaert

    briancoogaert Well-Known Member

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    I don't think I can say I dislike anyone ! After all, I don't know personnally any of those coaches. And I respect all of them for their abilities.
    But really, I don't share the vision of this sport of Mishin and Morozov. ;)
  5. Zokko!

    Zokko! Comansnala?

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    Thanks for the information! :respec:

    Flatt's coach? While I agree she's not exactly the most pleasant thing on ice to watch, I don't get the despise. Must be US internal, I guess.
  6. Really

    Really No longer just a "well-known member" Yay!

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    Damn, I thought it was Brian Orser! Ooops...that's only in certain threads -- pardon me!
  7. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

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    The most disliked coach here probably is indeed Morozov.
    Shpilband/Zueva aren't also that loved.
  8. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    I get the impression from some that Mishin's name is practically a filthy word...

    Must be a bunch of people jealous at the amazing skaters he's trained! :lol:
  9. ChelleC

    ChelleC Well-Known Member

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    Or perhaps we don't find those skaters all that amazing. My issue with Mishin is every single one of his skaters has horrible choreography and costumes. I'll agree he's a great coach when it comes to jumps.

    There are so words to describe what I think of Tom Z. right now.
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  10. blue_idealist

    blue_idealist Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Tom Z. is so bad. Joanne McLeod is also widely disliked.
  11. Cheylana

    Cheylana Well-Known Member

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    Robin Wagner hasn't gotten much love here either.
  12. aliceanne

    aliceanne Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure I get the point of this thread. Why are these coaches worthy of contempt? The only reason you even know their names is because they have had many successful skaters. Very few coaches have a skater go to Nationals, let alone more than one.
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  13. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    No matter the situation, the 'you're just jealous' argument requires no thought whatsoever and is an easy way out of actually thinking up logical reasons. It also never holds any water. I hate, hate, hate this stupid, cliche line.
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  14. Judy

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    I don't think his style fits in with the the new system that was obvious with Plushenko. I don't know what he was like personally but I always thought he looked like a little mean man!! lol
  15. pinky166

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    Tom Z. Morozov's creepy but his students are really talented jumpers and for the most part quite consistent. Got to give him credit where credit is due. Tom Z on the other hand, produces a lot of slow, generic skaters, a lot of whom are inconsistent. Agnes needs to leave Tom Z ASAP, she has so much potential but I fear it won't amount to anything if she stays with him.
  16. dupagegal

    dupagegal New Member

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    Before this Flatt issue many of us have had bad experiences with Tommy Boy.
    Tom Z is an arrogant egotist who thinks he is better than everyone else. Many a competitor or coach has experienced the cold shoulder and all the unnecessary mind games during the warm up’s before competitions. He is just an ass. So is his stone faced side kick Becky.
  17. mia joy

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    Personally I hate Zhulin, mostly for wasting that great Delobel-and-Schoenfelder-kind-of-class material Nathalie and Fabian used to be under Zazoui.

    Morozov isn't exactly my favourite guy either.
  18. Rex

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    Or much therapy, it seems. I vote for her. That 04 Worlds fluff piece of her talking to Sasha Cohen, "YOU LOOK SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRETTY TODAY", like she was a goddamned Pomeranian on her lap. I was waiting for her to rub Sasha' belly and give her a Milk Bone :scream:.
  19. Aussie Willy

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    Whilst I don't particularly like what Mishin does for his skaters in terms of the choreography of the programs, I do think he is a funny man and a really character of the sport.

    Morozov I think gets the most amount of ragging here.
  20. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Must say I wish Mishin's students would work with some different choreographers :slinkaway
  21. bek

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    Yeah. I frankly don't get it there. Mishin is obviously an amazing technical coach. But the man should realize that even if HE doesn't care for the PCS/ARTISTIC side in this sport that its in his students best interests to have the best choregraphy possible. Seriously
  22. senorita

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    ^ this 100%.

    Whenever I have spoken to Mishin he is always funny and friendly, interesting to talk and the man scientifically is a genious.
  23. viv

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    Well, as the question was whom "we" dislike, I think it's Orser for me. There must be a reason why he was left by his two best students, and I don't think that he has brought up the best in Adam Rippon. (Especially thinking hat he didn't even do the coreography.)
  24. briancoogaert

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    Well, it works for his students. See Gachinski at Worlds, he has same PCS as others with choreo. (Oooops, again, the debate about choreo, transition, and wuzrobbing !) ;)
  25. Aceon6

    Aceon6 Get off my lawn

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    In the US right now, Tom Z by a landslide. First, he "encouraged" Joshua Farris to skate the free at Nationals knowing that Joshua was badly injured and unable to take pain meds. Second, he failed to inform USFS and Team Mirai of Rachel's status for Worlds.

    As for the most slimy, Morozov. As for the least imaginative, Mishin.
  26. Beefcake

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    :( I thought that this would be a poll ... was poised to vote "all of the above"

    (so much ruined talent over the years via bad coaching)
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  27. pinky33

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    I could not agree more! Seems like the better you and your skaters do the more you are hated! So bring on the hate and see it as a compliment!;)
  28. RockTheTassel

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    I vote for whoever taught Caroline Zhang how to jump. :yikes: It's really concerning watching her vault off the ice, and I wonder what kind of problems and pain she's going to face when she gets older for years of the hammer toe lutzes and corkscrew loops. What kind of coach lets a skater get by with that kind of technique?
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  29. Kasey

    Kasey Loving on babies!

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    Although Moronsov is a slimeball, he does seem to work well with his students, and is able to get the best out of them in what seems to be a positive way (by even the reports of students who have left him). Tom Z, however, and his seeming to bully a child into competing injured/ill/tired and causing him greater injury, then basically telling him in the K&C to suck it up, smile and wave, comes across as a sociopath.

    Mishin always struck me as a bit of a dirty old man...
  30. BittyBug

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    ^This.

    I couldn't stand his smug little mug before this incident, and I like it even less now. :mad:
  31. edonice

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    It's been increasingly painful to watch Tom Z in the kiss and cry. This year there were his push-ups after Rachael's program at Skate America(bringing the attention squarely on him rather than on his skater, where the attention belonged), then Joshua Ferris after his long program at Nationals. Joshua's furious reaction was that of someone who'd been pushed against his better judgment. I've never met Tom Z, but based on kiss and cries alone, he strikes me as manipulative, attention-seeking, and all around slimy. Is it possible that he has connections to USFS in Colorado Springs, or are they just ignoring his behavior? As far as I can tell, it's reprehensible and reflects incredibly poorly on US Figure Skating.
  32. Jaana

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    Based on impressions while watching skating and articles (during many, many years) there are a few coaches I don´t admire

    - Mishin
    - Zhulin
    - Tom Z
    - Tarasova
  33. wowonice

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    When a coach is 'not so nice', demeaning to their skater, making poor judgement calls regarding whether a skater should compete or not, sociopath, egotistical- more often than not to the detriment of the skater(s)...where are the parents?? Brainwashed?
  34. pinky33

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    I can not speak about USFSA, but the ISU does not want parents around. It is made perfectly clear at the competitions that parents are not at all a part of the sport. It is never said, but it is felt loud and clear. It is very interesting since without parent support there are very few if any skaters that could actually get to that level. There are always exceptions to the rule and some parents that have a difficult time remembering what their role should be. So, as far as RF, the parents may have been left as far out of the loop as possible. Remember she is over 18 and they do not need to consent and do not have rights to medical info.
  35. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    I'm just pleased that no one said Mr. Sato, Frank, or Priscilla Hill...or Yuka..

    The only coach that I ever intensely disliked was Pam Gregory.
  36. ChelleC

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    At this point, I'm almost disliking Tom Z. as much as I do Morozov. :mad:
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    Any particular reason? I don't know much about Pam Gregory, except that she coached Kimmie to the 2006 World title.
  38. Jenna

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    Say what you want about Nikolai, but his skaters go out there and perform. Very rarely will they miss more than one jump per program, and they never have a meltdown. They are very, very consistent.

    Just look at Elene G...two triple lutzes back to back and no pops? When's the last time that's happened?
  39. Ziggy

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    Shpilband/Zueva win hands down, as far as I am concerned, for turning ice dance into a series of technical elements with shockingly bad choreography.

    Tom Z comes second (although he's a DILF and I'd totally shag him :D). Dupagegal said it better than I could:

    What an ass.

    Brian Orser comes third for his immature, diva behaviour, closely followed by Frank Carroll. The competition between them on who can be a meaner bitch is very :watch: to watch though. :p

    Oleg Vasiliev gets the fifth place for sleeping with his students and being a cold, nasty wanker.

    Morozov is a asshole privately, yes. But he gets very good results with his skaters and is capable of interesting choreography if he tries. He also seems to be great at supporting his students.

    Ola Kauc, commentating for Polish Eurosport said that he was the best choreographer she's ever worked with. He was kind, supportive, really focused on them and made sure that they were comfortable with the choreography he was giving them. And all that despite Kauc/Zych definitely not being a priority for him.

    So whilst I wouldn't want Morozov as a friend, ;) I'd definitely like to be coached by him if I was a skater. :)
  40. Aussie Willy

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    Although Priscilla's coats are another matter.