Morozov's interview (PC? Morozov???)

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  1. TAHbKA

    TAHbKA Well-Known Member

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    Coach's labour is not easy Morozov speaks to Olga Ermolina for Moscow News

    2 sets of medals were given on Tuesday during Russian Natioanls. Bazarova/Larionov became the pair champions, Sonikova became the national champion for the 3rd time. One of the most wanted Russian coaches gave an interview right after the comepetition

    OE: The ladies competition used to be the most depressing one once. Now it seems we have many talented skaters. How do you explain that?
    NM: With the growing interest in Figure skating in Russia. Our skaters took three gold medals in Turino Olympics, then thanks to the tv ice shows the sport became really popular. Many parents want their daughters to become figure skaters, and not only mediocre ones. Hence the huge amount of kids who do figure skating. BTW, the USA figure skating is based on the numbers. You also have to take into an account that the girls are more disciplined and hard working, it's easier for the mothers to convinse them to take up the sport the mothers like.

    OE: Is it harder with the boys?
    NM: It's different - the parents want them to be in the male sports - football, hockey. As far as the Russian figure skating goes there is a different reason: for many years the sport was ruled by Yagudin and Pluschenko. In my point of view they are still the best skaters. Not only in the elements they can perform, but in the way they skate - brutally, powerfully, agressivly. The picture we see now is different: the men characteristics are secondary while the viewers and specialists are looking for other features.

    OE: Did I understand you correctly that, so to say, one must sew some lace to the men shirts?
    NM: the stress is now on the ballet and dance moves, the flexibility, elegance. It's not a secret there are many gay skaters. It gives their skating a different flavour and influences the male skating in general. But in Russia where Yagudin and Pluschenko's example is in front of everyone's eyes the skaters of the new generation are following the tradition and go the same way. Which is good. Zhenia Pluschenko, a charizmatic skater who participated the Nationals showed his character yet again. Starting everything from the scratch for the 3rd time is really hard and not many could endure that. Pluschenko is an idol for many skaters in Russia. This is where the difference becomes more profound what the Russian skaters look up to and what the others. I've been coaching our guys for a year now and it's quite hard to overcome the difference. I think that it's useless attempting to do what the foreign skaters do. We should come up with our style and persue it - the male style that will win in all the possible components.

    OE: A year ago when telling about your new pupil Sergey Voronov you explained that as a coach you enjoy working with skaters who were written off. What can you tell about his bronze medal in Russian nationals?
    NM: Indeed it's interesting working with `problematic' skaters. I almost gave up on Voronov at some point. Kudos to him for believing in himself eventually. I'm very satisfied with his skate in Saransk. It's his and the whoe team's achievement.

    OE: Did his 3rd place come as a surprise for you?
    NM: Yes and no - I've been waiting for it for a while, but for some reason it didn't happen so far. Things would go well and he would get injuried again. Then again - all goes well and back to the square one. Voronov was skating in the nationals with an injury, not completely healthy, which made the preparation period shorter. And again, the biggest achievement not his skating - he was always able to do the elements, but the mental change.

    OE: Your other pupil, Alena Leonova could have missed the nationals, but decided to participate.
    NM: I offered her to skip Saransk since she skated very well this season and earned a spot in the Europeans and the worlds. But she wanted to compete. I'm actually glad she made mistakes in her SP.

    OE: Glad?!
    NM: Yes. She made no mistakes in the SP for 3 times in the row. She had to step back, shake it a bit and it was a good timing - the nationals are not very important competition for Leonova - she proved everything at hte first part of the season skating well in her GP events and winning a medal in GPF. Now she has to rest a bit from the training , the work, to chill.

    OE: What can you say about Ilinyh/Katsalapov's skate?
    NM: I liked their skate. Yes, Lena had a fall in the SP, but it's a minor mistake. They skated freely. It was their best skate in the competition since they started skating in my group. It's not ideal yet, but then unlike the others they never showed their best. They probably show about 20% of what they are capable of. They have a huge potential. I think it's a pair who can fight for an olympic medal, even if not many believe that.

    OE: They were critisized for not training hard enough. Do you agree?
    NM: That's what the critics are for - to critisize. When and how much do they train - it's part of the process. I think they skate better than they did last year, they improve with eveyr competition. If they were not progressing and stagnating - that would mean they have no future and I would be speaking differently. What is needed to be done now is to plan the work correctly and the results will come. If you recall many things were said about Voronov as well, yet he came out and provided here.

    OE: Do you find it hard working with Ilinyh/Katsalapov?
    NM: The coach's job in general is not easy. It's not easy working with people. But I like it.

    OE: Elena Tchaikovskaya thinks our ice dance goes in a wrong direction.
    NM: I agree, but don't want to elucidate on the subject yet.
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  2. Andrey aka Pushkin

    Andrey aka Pushkin Brezina's Nemesis

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    Well, PC it's not. Maybe by his standards, but I shuddered in a couple of places.

    In particular I enjoyed the "brutal manly programs", keeping in mind the pornography he did for Amodio :rofl:
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  3. kwanfan1818

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    I think he's right about the second half of this statement:

    It's how a lot of girls end up in ballet, and I'm sure it's how the boys end up in baseball, football, and hockey.

    Many thanks, TAHbKA, for the translation!
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  4. DORISPULASKI

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    I find interesting his comment that US ladies' results are "by the numbers.

    One number is the huge cost of skating child, compared to the meager rewards, even if the child is moderately successful.

    I wonder whether one number is the fact that college costs have risen a lot, and these days, a girl can get a large athletic scholarship, just like the boys--but not in skating. In the distant past, not so; any scholarship a girl got in sports was unlikely to be significant. I wonder how many athletic girls are skipping skating and going to rowing or basketball or track and field or whatever because their parents are interested in scholarships?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505144_162-51307436/scoring-a-college-athletic-scholarship/

    2% of high school athletes bag athletic scholarships, but that's better than 0% for skaters.

    And the costs for track and field are tiny in comparison. The best bet in 2008 was to be a woman rower.
  5. hanca

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    I think what he meant was that the population of US is much higer than population of Russia, so there would be potentially more to choose from.
  6. care bear

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    This.
  7. DORISPULASKI

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    Possible, but then our ladies should be doing lots better ;) if that were all that was going on. He just set me thinking about things a bit.
  8. TAHbKA

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    No. What he meant is that more kids start figure skating and out of 239842048490 kids it's easier to find 5 talented, than out of 395. He was talking about popularity of figure skating, not about the population
  9. hanca

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    So how would the comment that 'US skating is based on numbers' fit in?
    Do you mean that skating is more popular in the USA than in Russia? I wouldn't think so!
  10. TAHbKA

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    I think so. Reckon Morozov is talking about the state now (aka the kids who were born in the 90s and were taken to the ice rinks in the 90s. When Russia was going through various financial hardships and, on the other hand, figure skating was so popular in the USA), not the state of the future (when the kids who were born in the 00s will be entering the competitions and the state might be different with the skating in the USA becoming slightly less popular and a huge popularity raise in Russia thanks to the ice shows and the 2002/2006 Olympics results)
  11. rfisher

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    I would also agree that the Russian men need to find their own *style* and I think they have. They just haven't had anybody with the jump technique of Yagudin or Plushenko. I've always thought the Russian style was actually quite flamboyant rather than manly, as he puts it. They tend to go overboard with costuming (think Kulik, Abt, Plushy at 17). The difference was they were a powerhouse at jump technique. That seems to have been lost along the way, but they'll figure it out.

    There seems to be a return to certain Schools of skating in Russia. A few coaches tend to have multiple students rather than many coaches with a few. If Russia does well in Sochi (and the odds are good for both pairs and ladies at least), they should do very well through the next cycle.
  12. orbitz

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    Yep. Remember Plushy's MJ SP at Salt Lake ? :scream:. Plushy also does a lot of hand gestures that I would classify as flamboyant.

    The guy (Alexei ?) that won gold over Elvis in Lilihammer.
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    The numbers aren't just about population or interest, although both factors are significant: they're about facilities and coaching, too. There have been more functioning rinks over the last two decades in the US than in Russia, and there have been a number of Russian coaches in the US who've said they spent years coaching anyone who walked into whatever rink hired them.

    Not that Spilband/Zoeva take anyone off the street, but I don't know of a Russian coach today who has the number of teams across competitive levels that they do or a singles coach who has the number of skaters that Carroll does.
  14. kirkbiggestfan

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    The homophobic stereotypes from that prick don't surprise me at all. It is just sad to hear that in a figure skating environment where people are more willing to embrace diversity. And the ballet equals flamboyant equals gay stereotype is just so wrong. Anyhow, he did a great Masculine choreography for...Leonova.
    Free Amodio!!!!
  15. aliceanne

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    I'm surprised about his comment about the current skaters being balletic and implying that it is unmasculine. I thought that ballet was an integral part of the Russian skaters' training. Plus I've never noticed that Plushenko shied away from flexibility moves such as Biellmann spins, or gender bending exhibition programs.

    I don't know how much more physical men's skating can get.
  16. leapfrogonice

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    Interesting that he provides such non answers or indirect answers when asked about the skaters who came from his own discipline. He demonstrates he has quite well developed "media skills" by his unremarkable yet still notable avoidance of meaningful responses to the questions about I/K. By the same token, his non-PC candor which comes across when he discusses his preferences as far as men's skating are concerned, can therefore not be taken as naive or poorly translated. He realizes the impact of what he says, and is not hesitating to provide information as he sees fit.
  17. millipied

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    Please, like there are no gay skaters among past or current Russian skaters. I can name at least 2 right away.
  18. dots

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    Oh, you just know that was directed at the US skaters.


    So am I the only who sees Plushenko as very fem? I mean those waspy arm movements and the hip action!!!!! Gurrrl! Miss Coco Peru you're not! :rofl:


    Nothing would make me happier than to see one of those "gays" win worlds.

    ...and without including one single quad just to spite both Morozov and Plushenko. :EVILLE:
  19. millipied

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    Well, that's already been accomplished in 2010.
  20. TAHbKA

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    (worlds 2008 ;) )
  21. dots

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    Those two were not out when they won their respective championships. So they don't count :p




    Now if I am correct both Takahashi and Abbott are "now" out! So...


    Go get them boys! :kickass:
  22. aemeraldrainc

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    Daisuke is gay?
    Not sure why I'm surprised, I just don't recall any direct statement from him
    I guess is one of those things everyone "in the know" knows but doesn't really talk about.
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    Duplicate post.
  24. Nadya

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    I find it ironic that Morozov pits Plushenko's masculine, hairy, swaggering, unmistakably straight skating style against the presently favored elegant, lacy, balletic, queer crowd, yet the skater who ended up winning Olympics over Plush marketed himself as an anti-balletic, unmistakably straight, giant-balls guy. Rrrrrawrrrr!
  25. Yukari Lepisto

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    I thought Takahashi has a gf?
  26. Moka-Ananas

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    who?^^
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    Huh? You're joking, right? (Tho I guess he marketed himself that way)

    Anyway, I take his (Morozov's) comment to have nothing to do with sexual orientation, but, instead, context.

    It's changing though.

    In 2010, Gay =north american male skater without quad

    In 2011, Gay=north american skater with skating skills, choreography, and transitions, has quad
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  28. dots

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    Oh please let it be Smirnov. Let it be Smirnov!!! :drama:


    :lol:
  29. Screenie

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    So, the comments about PCS are clearly not true, but I guess interesting to think about. (Side note - it reminds me of this quote from the completely un-pc and words-not-safe-for-work Lutz Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QC-koOpiKs&t=1m11s ).

    It got me thinking about the uncontested leader in men's PCS -- Patrick Chan. I don't particularly think he skates in a gay way. Am I wrong/do people think his skating is effeminate? (not that that's equated with gay but I think Morozov is equating the two)

    There are also several examples of "straight-skating" skaters (by my imagination of what Morozov means) who have or had great PCS, including Michael Weiss.
  30. FunnyBut

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    I think you are a legit contender for a World Gold Medal, and you aren't Yags, Plush or a Morosov student, then, by Morosov's definition, you are GAY :lol:
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  31. kwanfan1818

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    I wonder what he thinks of Gachinski, having been tainted by Tom Dickson a few seasons ago and this season.
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    2005 actually;)
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    Hmmm, after seeing a few videos I have to wonder about Alexei Rogonov and Nodari Maisuradze but I really think they are just good friends. The facial hair on Klimov has me concerned but not enough to think he was gay. Vera Bazarova and Yuri Larionov are dating, Konstantin Bezmaternikh is dating Alexander Enbert partner, Enbert has a girlfriend as does Trankov and Smirnov is married.

    So...I don't know enough about the dancers although they are all really cute I should want to learn more and as far as men go Artur Gachinski has me thinking but he is still young.

    Mens skating is too physical across all disciplines to worry if someone is gay. unless you are trying to pick them up in a bar or something. An athlete is an athlete.
  34. Vagabond

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    Seriously? Probably not very many. Most NCAA women's sports require a completely different body type from figure skating. Gymnastics and diving are the only two I can think of off hand that would be easy for a girl with a figure skater's body to do well in. Certainly not rowing or basketball.
  35. mrinalini

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    I'd never heard that Daisuke was gay, let alone out. Source, please?

    I remember someone on FSU mentioning that Jeremy was with Massimo Scali, but even that I don't think was ever officially verified. I wish it would be, though, because Jeremy and Massimo would make for one hot couple. :swoon:
  36. Tinami Amori

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    Don't worry about Morozov, Mishin has his ideas of Gay Style and how a male skater should "come out of the closet" (literally).... :D

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzZCc5nQ8-E&feature=player_embedded#!


    “Fem” vs. “Masculine” varies by time….. :lol:

    Louis - XIV
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flhyZAgxcdM&feature=related

    Casanova
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQMgPYU6hCg

    Lord Byron
    http://chestofbooks.com/food/househ...s-Of-Famous-People-No-3-Lord-Byron-100615.jpg

    Pushkin
    http://img0.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/1//58/215/58215489_pushkin.jpg

    ……male characters in “Onegin” are very “fem” by today’s standards…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85CXXdI7xHA&feature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKR5IKI2u2M&feature=related
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  37. DORISPULASKI

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    Ever seen the size of the coxswain?

    Although I don't know whether one ever got a scholarship.