Morosov and Ando to marry

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by Nikki Lee, May 11, 2011.

  1. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    When it comes to ice dance, I "imprinted" on U/Z, and they are still my all-time favorites out of all four disciplines, so I knew all of that. I left off the Grishuk stuff in my earlier reply for the sake of brevity. ;)

    From the various things I've read, there was the infamous Grishuk affair. Navka and Zhulin happened after Dubova moved her training camp to Lake Placid. Navka was skating with Gezailan (sp?) at the time and also being coached by Dubova.

    Speaking of today's skaters, whenever a successful team claims they can't stay together because of their off-ice relationship, etc., I feel like they need to review just how long U/Z stuck it out for the sake of their professional partnership. If they can do it, anyone can...
  2. kittyjake5

    kittyjake5 Well-Known Member

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    Junior Mints.
  3. aliceanne

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    Oh well, I can't keep up. I thought he and Navka were the perfect pair. Cheating made them feel important.

    I wonder though if it didn't cost Zhulin Olympic gold. He and Grishuk were so brazen about their affair and so oblivious to Usova's public angst. It had to affect Grishuk's performance positively and Usova's negatively.
  4. aka_gerbil

    aka_gerbil Rooting for the Underdogs

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    There was a Russian article I found more than a few years back. What I gathered from the babelfish translation, Zhulin also had a groin injury that year that seriously cut into their preparation time. The emotional stuff might have factored in, but I'd be willing to bet the injury had a bigger impact, and although I liked it, their program choice. (That said, I still maintain if the judges were going to deduct for T/D's lift, then they should have made ALL the appropriate deductions for G/P's over-long separations, and that U/Z should have had gold because of that. Otherwise, if they were going to ignore the G/P's separations, then T/D's lift should have been ignored as well).

    To get back on topic, I'm hoping this thing about Ando marrying Morozov is not true. I think she deserves better.
  5. SLIVER

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    AFAIK, U/Z only started in Nov the year before the Olys because of his injury, that was a disaster. Piseev asked them to come to Moscow to get the prgs monitored and they refused, that was the end of olympic Gold hope, because the Russian Fed then switched to G/P. Strangely enough, even without Russia, U/Z nearly won the Gold in Hamar, they were off by 0.1 from one judge. The interesting part is that the ex Soviet satellite judges particularly, UKR and BLR stayed with them and didnt vote for G/P, thats something that never ever happened back then. Painfully close...

    Yes their free was by far the worst of their career but no where near as heinous as G/P's rock n' roll, which was so vile. Another tidbid I remember is one judge (dont remember which now) who put G/P 1st, saying that she watched G/P's free dance again after and realised they didnt do much with their feet and thought the prog wasnt that good after all :eek::scream:
  6. Jot the Dot Dot

    Jot the Dot Dot Well-Known Member

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    I'd view it with scepticism. I googled for both Miki and Nikolai, and none of the news section mentioned marriage.
  7. Octoberopals

    Octoberopals New Member

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    Is this the continuation of the Russian Plague?
  8. joeperryfan

    joeperryfan Well-Known Member

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    Shae-Lynn Bourne and Elena Grushina would have to disagree with you.

    If indeed they get married I wish them all the best.
  9. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    OMG that was my first thought too!!!

    But seriously ......
  10. Coco

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    Sigh...thanks for all that, I figured there were a bunch of women on the panel who wanted to punish the lout. Interesting intra-Russian rivalries in both pairs and dance in '94.

    But ultimately, didn't the affair cause Dubova to exile G/P? This brought them to Tarasova, and then TAT worked her politicial magic.
  11. Taso

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    Actually it brought them to Linichuk, who had them for years before TAT did.
  12. victoriaheidi

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    Ok, I'm going to skip reading everything and make a guess as to what's been said?

    EWW.
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    No lie, but when I read the title of this thread I had the exact same reaction you and victoriaheidi did AxelAnnie.

    :rofl:
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    I wish she would get away , but I don't know if she will, now.

    I think he's been acting as creepy with Amodio in the K'nC , as he has with Miki for the last few years....:(..( it's most noticeable if you get to watch the livefeed )
  15. loulou

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    Let's say Ando and Morozov are getting married.
    It would be odd that Ando had been crying for personal reasons for the entire week worlds took place, considering she was in love and soon to be wife.
    You'd think that would cheer her up a little, whatever she was crying for.
  16. millipied

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    In Japan, they cry.;)
  17. Taso

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    And in countries around the world, people cry when their favorite skaters go to Morozov:p
  18. MarieM

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    :lol: Zillion depression :scream:
  19. Nan

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    OMG! I cry, does that mean I'm Japanese??

    after all these years...good to know
  20. oleada

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    Well, if her dog died during Worlds, that would explain the crying.
  21. aliceanne

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    At least they provide FS with the requisite drama. That is the problem with all the skater babies becoming champions they skate and they? Not much else.
  22. Ajax

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    :rofl: I think this is my favorite scandal of all time :rofl:
  23. Loves_Shizuka

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    Even though I was practically newborn at the time, I really do miss the 90's.
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  24. sadya

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    Now I remember why I stopped watching soaps when I discovered figure skating. With figure skating you get sports and arts and soapdrama all in one.
  25. aliceanne

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    This is really off topic, but does anyone know why Platov dumped Grishuk after the Olympics? At one time he stood up for her when Dubova tried to send her back to Russia, and find him another partner (as punishment for upsetting Usova).
  26. IceJunkie

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    Ditto. Everything I remember/hear about 90s skating was full of DRA-MA. :lol:
  27. sadya

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    I once heard or read an interview of him saying she was driving him crazy, he had had it. Apparently training with her wasn't always nice. I can't confirm anything I'm writing here. Anyway, I liked their skating but also enjoyed both of them with other partners.

    To be honest, even though I enjoy their skating a lot, I don't think I'd personally enjoy their company from what I've heard and read from and about them. But then again, one can never really judge without knowing people personally, so I could be completely wrong.
  28. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I don't know who dumped whom but the whole final season Grishuk was always talking about how she was going to focus on her Hollywood career (lol) and was generally being a diva/pain in the ass. They did COI after the Olympics (I got to see them live before the split :inavoid:) and then they were done. Makes sense to me that he would fight to keep her as a competitive partner but would not feel it was worth it just to skate in shows.

    I thought Grishuk & Zhulin started skating together professionally first and then Usova & Platov teamed up.

    And as a bit of trivia, during their times apart, Grishuk apparently had a try out with Peter Tchernyshev and Platov with Tatiana Navka (who eventually started skating with Morozov which brings us back on topic ;)).
  29. Karina1974

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    You're obviously not familiar with Annia Hatch (2004 Olympic Team and Vault Silver Medallist for the USA).
  30. Jenya

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    I think Platov dumped Grishuk after the Champions on Ice tour in 1998. I seem to recall some major :drama: that he left her a voicemail or something like that telling her that they were finished. I also remember there being a mention of it in Time magazine. :rofl:

    I don't think any drama in the world of skating can even come close to the Grishuk/Platov/Usova/Zhulin years. The stories were just incredible/ridiculous - the wine incident at Spago, Grishuk wearing Zhulin's wedding ring on a chain around her neck, the partner switching - and so over the top that I don't know how anybody could have scripted anything better. :lol:
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  31. Iceman

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    If true, my sincerest condolences to the now happy couple.
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  32. fan

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    do tell...:watch:
  33. Clytie

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    I thought the incident at Spago's was soup related. Maia saw Oksana with Zhulin's wedding ring on a chain around her neck. She became angry and slammed her head into the soup. Why she cared so much I will never know.

    I also remember watching some US show (ie. gossip) were Platov said something like Pasha only gave him credit for something like 20% of their success. And apparently she said it to his face. I am sure he had enough. He had multiple medals with her. Maybe he figured he did'nt need more.

    As for aging well - I think Maia has done that the best. Has anyone heard anything about her and her baby. I was surprised she had one at such an advanced age.

    And to keep on topic. I saw an interview with Miki at the gala done by CBC. She was in tears going on about Morozov. I believe she even said he gave her a life. Obviously she is very in love with him. Or at least that is my opinion. Based on his track record I am not optimistic. But since she seems like a lovely person I do hope for the best.
  34. AragornElessar

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    This is so not what I wanted to see my first time on FSU in just about a week.

    Ew...Ew...Ewwwww!!!

    Run Miki...RUN!!!

    Too lovely a lady and too good for that gutter slimeball. Sigh... :(
  35. Fashionista

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    According to TAT's book by 1998 they a kind of hated each other.
  36. Jenya

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    Sorry to continue the off-topic, but the story was that Usova was so enraged with Grishuk by the L.A. stop of the COI tour (I think because of the wedding rings on the necklace :lol:) that she threw a glass of red wine in Grishuk's face in Spago.
  37. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    Ohhh, do share some tidbits from the book... I heard she goes on about Pasha being crazy.
  38. skatingfan5

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    I think that you are conflating the Grishuk/Platov split with the Ina/Dungjen pairs split, which occurred during the COI tour after the Nagano Olympics. Kyoko was the one who left a voicemail for Jason, telling him that they were finished.
    Another old report, with snarkage and even larger monetary loss for Jason because of the break-up.
    I'm glad that Jason's story has a happy ending with his marriage and coaching career with Yuka.

    That's pretty much what I remember hearing, except the drink wasn't specified.
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  39. Loves_Shizuka

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    I quite enjoy Maya Usova, on so many levels. :watch:
  40. Jenya

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    Thanks, I wasn't sure about the voicemail part. :) Although, honestly, with that whole saga, it's hard to keep the story straight anyway, because now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure Usova slapped Grishuk too. :lol: And I think I was confusing the voicemail with the attempts from Platov to call her discussed in this Time article: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,988836,00.html

    ETA: here is an old interview with Grishuk that gives her side of the events: http://www.pashagrishuk.org/1info/pressasw.html
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