Moore-Towers // Moscovitch

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  1. mishieru07

    mishieru07 New Member

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    I like perk when it's not overdone or so obviously faked/trashy it's downright laughable. It's not exactly someone's fault if they're naturally perky in life is it? It's just in their nature, period.

    I like them; they actually look like they're genuinely having fun! Kinda like Akiko Suzuki in that respect; she skates with heart. They could use more polish and better packaging for sure, but I think they've improved quite a bit since SC last year. They have a good chance of winning Nats if they can stay consistent and injury free.

    For all the talk about lines, posture and polish, it might be worth noting that all of the above are not graded in PCS at all IIRC, at least not explicitly stated. Why the ISU doesn't include it is a mystery to me but there you go.
  2. nubka

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    When I see them skate, it makes me think of the The Weidermann Twins from The Cutting Edge... :D
  3. javachip

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    That is too funny...tha's all I can say!
  4. Seerek

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    Personally, I don't see anything from M-T/M that makes them stand out from Duhamel/Radford, Brodeur/Matatall, etc....but for whatever reason, the judges are "lifting" them to top spot. I wonder how the judging might have been different with the Canadian teams vis a vis each other had Dube/Davison been able to compete this season..
  5. cygnus

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    This season, it's because they are landing stuff and the others aren't (except L/S). If Duhamel and Radford start landing the jumps they are capable of doing, they would probably pull ahead on M-T/M- they have much more polish.

    But the teknik has to be there.
  6. Really

    Really No longer just a "well-known member" Yay!

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    My first time seeing this team this year was live this past weekend, and I am a fan. She has an absolutely gorgeous smile, and they are so obviously enjoying everything they are doing (well) out on the ice. It was a pleasure to watch them skate all weekend. I think they can win Canadian Nationals.

    As genevieve said in another thread...suck it, haterz!!!
  7. screech

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    I enjoy their elements, though their programs leave something to be desired. They can do the tricks, and their lifts are impressive, but they need some different choreography IMO.

    Also IMO, if Meagan/Eric can get their confidence or whatever going before nationals, they could be tough competition. It actually surprised me at SC to see her miss the jumps because she was always so solid with Craig. They do have much more polish, and oddly, unison, than MT/M (though I wish Eric would cut his hair). It will be an interesting Canadians in all events! (Except likely mens, where Patrick will win, Kevin 2nd and someone else, maybe Jeremy Ten, 3rd).
  8. judgejudy27

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    Brodeur & Matatall are just a journeyteam and that is all that they will ever be. M-T/M are far better than them. Duhamel & Radford arent skating well enough technically yet to make a big move.
  9. judgejudy27

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    I agree with that. I see Dube & Davison being usurped as the top Canadian pair even if they do return. They already peaked back in 2008.
  10. ioana

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    I for one was a lot more impressed with Lawrence/Swiegers at Skate Canada. They have better basics and memorable programs. That said, MT/M are skating very well right now and and seem to be building momentum. Dylan's obviously the stronger partner -and no, I don't mean muscle power, but skating skills-wise. Kristin's improved her posture since last year, so there is hope for her. I just couldn't stop think "Gina Gogean with PERK" when they skated their Zorba SP...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3d3QDp-EaY
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  11. Cal Girl

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    I normally don't like the perky skaters who put on their perk face for the program but she is so genuine and seems to truly enjoy what she is doing that it is a joy to watch.
    They have a lot of areas to improve on but they are fun and exciting and fast and have a genuine love to skate and entertain. For that they get my applause!
  12. NorthernDancers

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    I have to chuckle at the people who think the team is boring, has no style, etc. Maybe Dylan needs to do some more choreography for the team. I'm not sure who else remembers this, but I recall sitting at Challenge a few years ago through loads of Senior Men's programs that all blended into each other after awhile. Along came Dylan and his sister right before a flood. She stood at the boards pretending to be a diva coach, complete with fur coat, sun glasses, and tons of attitude. Dylan proceeded to bring down the house with a really funny parody on Robin Hood. Even the judges were laughing. Here's a version I found on YouTube. It developed from the debut with more detail and more funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K40HzP3glA

    KMT and Dylan are the real deal. The passion and joy for skating is real. She's still young, and that perkiness is all genuine. But I have a ton of respect and admiration for Dylan. He has shown great commitment to his sport even while he was too old to skate Junior, and she was too young to skate Senior, been incredibly responsible in taking care of his sister when she was skating, mentors other skaters, and is generally a ton of fun. I think he is also coaching now. It's so good to see KMT and Dylan achieving success.
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  13. flowerpower

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    Dylan's also a member of the Icemen, an all-male comedic synchro team which raises money for breast cancer research. Their performances are very funny, and they always seem to be having a blast.

    http://www.theicemen.com/Home.html
  14. ice.dance.girl

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    couldn't have said it better.... the off ice relation between KMT and Dylan is just great and I love how they get along and care for each other
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    A quick aside, but those qualities are included under the execution portion of performance/execution. Beyond just execution (quality of movement and precision in delivery) it is addressed under the criteria of 'clarity of movement' and 'carriage'.:)
  16. Andora

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    I don't think this team is excessively perky in the long program. I was genuinely shocked at how much I loved it at Skate Canada. Their short leaves a lot to be desired, but commentators keep talking about how it reflects Kristen's personality a great deal. Maybe it's just a (somewhat annoying) step, and we'll see more growth artistically next year. I really didn't think much of them last season, and they've improved so, so much already. Love their packaging this year, too. Mostly Dylan getting rid of the awful surfer/guido/wtf hair.
  17. allezfred

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    :scream:

    So is herpes. :p
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    have to correct you there.. Shawn Sawyer will be beating Jeremy Ten at Nationals if I have anything to say about it :) He wasn't wonderful on the GP but he got better results than Ten did..
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
  20. barbk

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    First and foremost, they landed their elements, and you don't need a whole lot more than that to medal at the GP (or at Nationals.) And unlike some pairs, those elements seem nice and secure. If they keep that up, they'll probably do very, very well for the rest of the season. They also skated with more power than Sui/Han, who had big tricks but who otherwise did not skate with great power or speed.

    But I can't even remember M-T/Ms programs from last weekend despite seeing them in both practices and the actual competition -- nothing particularly wrong with them, but nothing particularly memorable either. She's perky, but it seemed more genuine than Sui's continuous "O" expression, which was downright annoying. He's got a very pleasant demeanor.

    They've got great basics, and as long as they can keep up some consistency I'm sure they'll do well. Maybe next year they'll get some programs that really set them apart.

    I was lucky enough to be at Skate America when Sale/Pelletier showed up for the first time, and that was amazing -- you knew you were seeing something very, very special, and rather completely unexpected. M-T/M are not at this level.
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  21. Mayra

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    You hit the nail on the head with the comparison. :eek:. Never more so than in the short program with that choreography! :yikes: I love perk as much as the next person, but the cutesy/perky choreography is cringe inducing IMO.

    Having said that, they have a lot of potential and some of their lifts are :kickass:. IMO They just need better vehicles to show off their strengths.
  22. flowerpower

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    I don't like the SP choreography either, but they have improved their skills this year, and her positions are getting better. If they keep working hard, they will become more polished.

    Did the same person choreograph both the SP and LP?
  23. yfbg722

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    Yes. Mark Pillay did both programs, this year and last I believe. He did all the KWSC teams. It's odd to see so many bashing it here. While at Indy, many people were wanting to know who the choreographer was because they liked his work so much.
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    Or they want to make sure they don't use him in the future.
  25. Shallwedance

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    I think the choreography is terrific, very exciting pairs choreography. Tracey Wilson I think likes it as well. I think their skating skills are extremely underrated here. Fast spins both sbs and pairs spins, fast feet, great lifts. Her positions are fine. Their unison can improve, the refinement can improve, but they are already light years ahead of other Canadian teams IMO, including D&D who have a smoothness to them, but whose basics have even gotten sloppy over time.
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  26. stjeaskategym

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    Of course Tracey is going to like the top-scoring Canadian team's choreography. :lol: I mean, it's definitely better than what they were doing last year, but I don't think people are going to be lining up to use the same choreographer. There's still something missing. I'd probably enjoy it more if they weren't as rough around the edges and didn't do things like utilize the star position for every lift. But at least there has been effort to improve some of their issues. They are only a second-year team after all.
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    Given that many who asked were just spectators admiring the work, I'd think not. :rolleyes:

    I think you can blame COP for the repeated star position. It's an easy way to get an extra bullet I believe.
  28. The Accordion

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    The poster said she liked their choreography - not that they were the highest placing Canadian team.

    Also - just because she is Canadian does not mean she gushes over all that is Canadian either. She regularly mentions specific areas where Canadian skaters can improve. I've always liked that about her.
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  29. stjeaskategym

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    Even if that's true, I just think it's more likely that a Canadian commentator will have only good things to say about the Canadian team that's skating the best. It's much harder for any commentator to whip out any criticisms on TV when the home team is placing well.
  30. Allen

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    Well, wherever the commentar would be from that would say M-T/M have great choreography, that makes me question their taste level. If the choreography isn't there, don't say it's great :eville:

    I do, however, think that Tracey Wilson is fairly balanced when it comes to commentating on Canadian skaters. I just think she is sometimes wearing rosed colored glasses.
  31. JasperBoy

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    FWIW, Mark Pillay choreographed many programs for Emanuel Sandhu.
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    I think their choreographer does a fantastic job at working within their limitations. Honestly, their lines and posture are pretty terrible, but their programs do the best to cover that up and keep the interest of the audience. It's not the choreographer's job to teach skaters deep edging, elegance, and posture; they just don't spend enough time with the skaters. Not everyone has the same opportunity as Yu Na, who worked with David Wilson everyday. I think Mark Pilay did a good job at using their perk and giving them programs that suit their strengths. The judges obviously like their programs.

    I'm not a fan of M-T/M at all, because I hate how unrefined and messy they look, but I can hardly blame their choreographer for the fact that Kristen can't point her toes. At the very least, their choreography is better than the boring, empty programs of Dube & Davison.
  33. The Accordion

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    I think that saying the choreography "isn't there" is a bit of an exaggeration. It may not be the most sophisticated or orginal but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It isn't just crossover crossover element, crossover, crossover element without any details.

    In addition - being that they are a fairly new team and she is fairly new to pairs- I would say that the choreography is well suited to where they are in their development.

    Of course I can see why you disagree with it being "great" and it is your right to disagree with Tracy Wilson's taste.
  34. Allen

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    I would say it is crossover, crossover, some sort of entry variation, element without much to speak of in terms of other choreography or musical interpretation. Maybe saying it "isn't there" is a little harsh, but there isn't much of it there.
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    You may think it's more likely, but in actual fact what The Accordian said is correct. If she doesn't like something, she either says something constructively critical or she says nothing at all, no matter how the team is placing. It's actually quite interesting to 'read between the lines' on what she says, or doesn't say.
  36. Bournekraatzfan

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    Yes, I remember him doing his LP for the 2005/2006 season, and I really liked that one. It really was abstract art.
    I also remember Mark working with Mira and getting her to really respond to music. I think he is a great choreographer and would love to see more of his work.
  37. Bournekraatzfan

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    I really like the improvements they have made this year. and I saw Kirsten interacting with fans and the people around and she seems like a genuinely lovely girl (and Dylan seems equally as lovely). I personally like the energy of the SP as I just enjoy seeing skaters who love to skate. Good luck to them at the GPF!
  38. alilou

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    New article


    Moore-Towers and Moscovitch jump into spotlight
    http://www.goldenskate.com/articles/2010/120510.shtml

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  39. clarie

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    Thanks for posting alilou. I really like what this team is doing thus far. The improvements from last year are noticeable this year. I wish them well at the GPF. :)
  40. JasperBoy

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    Thanks for that, Alilou. It was great to read about Kirsten and Dylan.

    I am a big fan. It is thrilling to see them do so well this year. As Dylan said, he has worked all his life for this, and suddenly it is here. That's exactly how it feels to me. All of a sudden, he's on the international stage.

    I will be there in Victoria, screaming my lungs out to help them win the championship.