Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by overedge, Mar 15, 2011.
imagine how much she will sue for if Lucia becomes a stripper
19K? Dude, that's cheap.
That's disgusting! She paid $19000 for a school for her four year old, and they just let them play. Playing is for babies.
Oh! that poor little girl...
The Mother has a right to sue if the School misrepresented its activities for children.
If they were promissed French lessons, the school should provide French lessons.... The school is "a business" and is subject to the same laws on false or deceptive advertising.
I think the parents just kept Lucia out getting into an "elite" university by looking like nut-bags.
I agree with Tinami. It's a business and if they didn't provide what they promised she has the right to complain.
"French lessons" could mean they teach counting and colors in French... we did that at our cheapo church run daycare. Spanish too
EDIT: I've started studying English at 4yrs, but an hour/week! but just singing colours&number in my normal public school
I agree. If they said specifically that they would be offering a certain service to 4 year olds, and she got lumped in with 2 year olds . . . there's a huge developmental difference. And it is telling that other nannies/moms were reluctant to speak in order to not hurt their own chances, as they put it. So clearly the school has a bit of a blackmail effect on these parents if they think saying anything negative means their kid won't pass the right test to get into a certain elementary school.
Where I have to is the fact that this one school, for one month, ruined this kid's chances to get into an Ivy League in 14 y ears. That's ridiculous (plus the $19k price).
Well, I agree that there might be a false advertising claim, but what if the girl is developmentally at a 2 year old stage and the mother is in denial? I have seen that happen before.
Sure, totally possible. Moms always think their kid is a genius. I'm just going on what the article states.
My daughters pre-k is free. At this stage, I'm not at all concerned about where she will go to college. I'm not too concerned about my 8 year old either. I have so dropped the ball here!
I didn't get that the woman's daughter was singled out to be put in with two-year-olds. The problem seemed to be that the kids were supposed to have different curriculum based on age, but they were all put into one big room together because of construction, and the mother does not believe that the curriculum is demanding enough because of the lack of age separation.
At no point does anyone say that Lucia wasn't getting her French lessons or anything else that the website promises. Note what the lawyer says:
"They put a bunch of kids of different ages together and gave her some excuse about construction," Paulose said.
My goodness! What are you thinking? They will be so far behind, there's no possible way they can get into an Ivy.
p.s. This thread is providing some amusing relief from the Japan threads. So much sadness there, so much silliness in NYC.
I agree with the point that the mother did not get what she paid for, but I feel rather sorry for the child. It reminds me of a recent article that I read about the gifted program in my province's school system. They had a call from a mom who insisted that they put her unborn child's name on the enrolment list, because she just, "Knew that her child would be gifted".
Mmm, I don't know about that. Just because the daughter was put in the same room with younger children doesn't mean that she wasn't taught the four-year-old curriculum. And again, no one has said that the child didn't get the things advertised on the school's site.
I'm not a big fan of the Daily News' reporting style; I'm sure that there is more to the story. But just based on what they have reported, I don't see any claim that the child was not given what was promised.
How can you live with yourself?!
Yeah, based on the pre-ks that make the news around here, I think I would be more concerned that they weren't leaving my 4 year old to baby sit the 2 year olds than I would be about ivy league prep. Adult teacher in the room, check; no abuse, check; everyone is having fun, check.
Mama knows best.
Having said that, I am not surprised. I just watched my SIL who lives in NYC go through the preschool admission process for her kid. It wasn't pretty.
Knowing my SIL, I am guessing she will provide the scoop on this story.
I think we have a frontrunner if Bravo ever needs to replace a member of the cast of Real Housewives of NY.
What gets me about this is that not segregating kids by age often enhances learning.
Has the daughter finished the school year? Did the mum view some "classes" first?
Seems all a bit much for 4 years old. Does the school get the money back again if the girl gets into Yale later on?
Or if she grows up, gets shipped off to college and ends up participating in a situation like this one. A perfect example of (en masse) helicoptor parenting gone wrong - because it's only effective until the kid is out of the parents' sight. Then the kid has all this freedom, yet doesn't know how to handle it.
I can't help but wonder what the child's father has to say about this lawsuit. He's noticably absent from the article. Where's the baby daddy????
It's actually really hard to judge from the article exactly what happened. But lets say, the school promised they'd prep the kids for that kindergarten entry test. And instead her precocious 4 year old was put with 2 year olds and doing 2 year old appropriate activities. May be she was telling her parents that she is bored.
That would not be what was advertised by the school. And if you are paying $19K, you expect what you paid for. You expect the product as advertised.
Imagine that she complained and the school blew her off as they've already pocketed the non-refundable tuition. So she felt stuck and the way out was to sue for tuition and put her in another school.
According to the NY Post:
I've read several articles about this now, and there seems to be a lot of conflicting info.
For example, she and her lawyer have been quoted as saying that the child was pulled out after two months. But a school spokesperson was quoted saying that the child attended for a full year. And somewhere else I read that it was most of the the year. Then I read that the child was only sometimes mixed in with younger kids, but that was not a regular occurrence. In agalisgv's link, it says it happened ONCE: "In one instance, plaintiff's daughter, who at the time was 4 - perhaps the most important year for a pre-schooler, just shy of taking the ERB - was dumped with two-year-olds," the suit says.
What stands out for me is that she is suing about events that took place in 2009. That would mean her daughter has already taken the ever-so-important kindergarten test. I wonder if the child did not do as well as her mother expected. No one has said so, but what else is the mother going to use as evidence that the school curriculum wasn't demanding enough?
My nephew took that test in 2009 and did very well. His prior education background was 2 days a week of public preschool. Of course, his parents read to him from the time he was born, and started counting and basic math with him when he started to talk.
I guess he must have had an unfair advantage from learning a few words of Japanese from his best friend's parents and from the street Spanish he picked up. It couldn't possibly be that his parents taught him and didn't dump him in a prestigious preschool.
There's a test for kindergarten? I feel very sheltered, living in a tiny town where every kid goes to the same school. A public school. For free. Oh well...less pressure and more time to just be a kid is how I look at it.
I do, too, but both of my kids still had to test to get into kindergarten. it wasn't an admission test, which is what they are talking about there, but it was an assessment test that was supposed to evaluate their preparedness.
Nowadays, sadly there can be. Chicago has this in some schools too. It's a navigational nightmare for a parent, especially if you don't have the $$$ for private school. I'm wading these waters right now and it's hard to figure out what's what.
That's exactly what they do here...an evaluation of skills so they know what areas to focus on for each kid. No pass/fail or I'm sorry, your kid isn't good enough for this school. Sometimes small towns have their advantages.
We don't even have any of that. It is more "if you kid is born between these dates, it is time for them to start kindergarten, ready or not."
If you want a better look at the process, check out Nursery University - a documentary that was aired on Showtime among other places.
Fascinating and scary all at the same time.
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