Miki Ando was so strong skater in 2010-2011 season. She won Yuna kim. I want to talk about her in 2011 Worlds. This is a thread "andofanatic" made in April. I thought It is a objective thread and too true. I bring it for adding things to my claim. http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/sho...-beat-Kim-if-both-are-clean-or-similar-errors *I'm saying in hypothetic situation if ando is in top form. 2011 Worlds is the last competition two skaters fought, so I think this comparison is fair enough. Single Jumps that both of miki and kim did successfully are 3lutz, 3sal. They got same GOE on both jumps. Ando got same GOE 0.9 with kim in 3lutz which is the strongest jump of kim. Ando got same GOE 0.8 on 3Sal with kim. It proves Ando in top form had similar quality jump with kim. This events proved these things. If kim makes similar errors with her rivals, she is becoming a ordinary top skater. Of course this is same on PCS. 2011 Worlds Where kim had similar skates with Ando, Judges have judged that kim is just slightly better than Ando artistically. In any element in protocal, I could not find kim surpassed Ando surely. Don't think that at that time, Judges didn't intend to make large difference in PCS. At the same event, Patrick Chan in Mens won 2rd skater kozuka who is known for so strong skating skill, and skated close to clean in PCS by 12. So they prove when Ando is in top form, if both skated cleanly with the same jumps Ando would win easily, In TES, also in pcs.