Marina & Massimo

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  1. OrioleBeagle

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    About one hour ago, International Figure Skating posted on Facebook that Massimo Scali has left DSC and will joining Marina Zueva on June 1st.
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  3. rickmercer

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    That is mean of Massimo to leave Camerlengo. I thought the two were very good friends for a long time.
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    Wow,Smart move by Zueva. She isn't going down with out a fight :lol:

    If anything I'm happy for the Shibs, maybe he'll bring better programs for them.
  5. reese

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    Well he'll likely be the #2 with Marina instead of the #3 with Krylova and Carmerlengo at DSC.
  6. blancanieves

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    This saddens me :( But, I'm sure Massimo sees it as a good step. Good get for Marina.
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    Hmmm. I wonder who approached who.
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    This leads me to wonder what big team Marina is acquiring. I bet this is only the beginning of the news we'll get from Canton.
  9. DimaToe

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    I'm wondering which teams if any, will leave with Massimo. I'm probably being paranoid, but if Hubbell/Donohue leave DSC I'll be all kinds of :mad: :wuzrobbed :revenge: :lynch:
  10. blancanieves

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    Well, Zach tweeted a few times recently about how much he'd like to train/live in Colorado. Honestly, I've always thought there was a strong synergy between him and Pasquale's work/approach to skating, so it's hard to imagine H/D leaving the group. Then again, lately it seems like nothing is out of the question.
  11. rickmercer

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    Massimo and Zach are good friends so I guess Hubell & Donohue will leave with him.
  12. The Observer

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    Massimo Scali has been working with both H&D and P&I, so it's speculated one of them may go with him, most likely H&D. But it will be a period of adjustment since Madison is just getting back on the ice after surgery. P&I seem stable where they are so perhaps they wouldn't want to move.
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    I know he's worked with Camerlengo/Krylova, but what programs has Scali primarily worked on? This may be good news for the Shibs who really need a fresh perspective from someone with an ice dancing background. It also may be good if H/D go with him. The Shibs have been in the shadows of both V/M and D/W, but maybe they need a team that's on their level to push them to be better. Some in-rink competition may prove to be good for both teams.
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    I hope this doesn't affect Hubbell & Donohue all that much. Of the U.S. dance teams left in the post-D/W era, I think Hubbell & Donohue have the most potential and the most to offer from a skating perspective, not to mention being potentially the most marketable.
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    H&D are adjusting to skating post-injury right now and have missed the last 2 World Championships. I'd say that C&B and The Shibutanis have the edge on them right now. And the Canadian teams of G&P and P&I have been closing in on their scores this year as well.

    We won't know more about how H&D are going to do until they get to skate a complete season and go to Worlds.
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    On the flip side, Hubbell & Donohue remained fairly competitive all season long this past year despite the injury. Assuming Madison gets healthy again, there's no limit to what they can potentially pull off when they're back to 100%. They showed true grit in coming back to win 4CCs convincingly, despite their compromised physical state, and hopefully they will receive greater political support going forward.
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    Marina is smart. I bet she has her eye on Jean-Luc!
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    I think it will depend on whether they can beat C&B or The Shibs. To get more backing & political support they will need to be more competitive with their American rivals. They did do well at 4 Continents (although G&P gave them a close contest) and it has moved up their Team Envelope status with the USFS.
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    True. H/D climbing up the World Ranking and scoring high in SB scores despite missing Worlds and the Olympics, says a lot about how much the judges like them. I think they are the team poised to breakthrough. Marina can offer them the political clout they need and Massimo being there probably makes the idea more palatable. It'll be an interesting summer for sure.
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    I wonder if C&L will switch because they're Italian, although that really doesn't have much to do with anything when figure skating is such an international collaboration these days. Just curious, does anyone know where Guignard and Fabbri train?
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    :confused:

    Yes, because C/L are Italians and Massimo Scali is also Italian, they are willing to just leave Igor. Um Okay :rofl:
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    It sounds a little desperate for Marina. Unless Massimo is a technical coach/technician (which I didn't think was his main role at DSC) I'm not sure how this could work. I can't see Scali taking over choreography from Zoueva any time soon. Zoueva's fingerprints will be all over the choreo of her dance pairs, I can't see that changing.
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    :confused: Guignard/Fabbri train in Milan (Agorà skating club) with barbara Fusar Poli, Cappellini/Lanotte train in Milan (Forum skating club) with Paola Mezzadri.
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    I think Massimo does both. Another key factor, though, could be Britta Ottoboni (physical trainer at DSC). She's tops in her field and Madison credited her with helping to manage the injury pre-surgery. She might prefer to stay at DSC to continue to work closely with Ottoboni during her recovery.
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    Does it mean Margaglio still works with Zueva as well as Scali, or is Scali to replace Margaglio?
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    Italian article: http://www.neveitalia.it/sport/figureskating/notizie/news/massimo-scali-ingaggiato-da-marina-zoueva

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  27. marbri

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    Interesting article. A week ago the following post was made :

    That poster seems to have connections to Australian skating somehow and has been at DSC as at least an observer.

    So they knew a week ago Scali was leaving for Canton and in the same post wishes P&I to follow.

    Tie that together with the article and and it seems reasonable to guess Marina got replacement teams V&M and D&W.
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    They were extremely competitive all season long despite the injury, which apparently restricted their ability to train (and, one would say, compete) at full speed. In the only direct comparison, Nationals, they were only 2 points behind the Shibs, and in the fall Grand Prix series, their scores were very close to C/B and the Shibs despite skating in the early part of the season when scores aren't as inflated and programs (across all teams) aren't as seasoned as in the end. A healthy H/D who are able to train at full speed and skate fearlessly at competitions will undoubtedly level the playing field.
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    I thought the same thing. I'd think she'd want to grab a new team coming right from juniors. Has Marina taken any new teams from the senior level lately? It seems she pounces on them when they're young so she can mold them easier...

    Fingers crossed Hawayek and Baker stay where they are, but I agree that the Shibs would do well training with H/D. They'd push each other like VM and DW.
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    Is Oleg Epstein still in Canton?

    I guess this is how Zoueva is acquiring new teams. Going after a coach who has some strong teams who might go with him. :lol:
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    That is an extremely clever move by Zoueva. Maybe she realises her weaknesses after all?

    Scali is going to bring in a fresh perspective and make her choreo less :yawn:, I hope.

    It could work by Scali giving some input and ideas into the choreographic process. She will certainly still be in control.

    Three posts above yours: 'Moreover, it should be noted that with the coaching staff led by Marina Zoueva, which includes among many Oleg Epstein and Johnny Johns, collaborated last season Maurizio Margaglio.'
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    I can see the Shibs NOT liking it. The two teams would push each other, but I would say H/D were their main rivals on the national scene this past season, and the Shibs were super lucky that Madison was hampered by an injury. H/D still did very well, but they could have been even better and they did come close to making the Olympic team. And the Shibs might just end up back in the shadows of yet another team.

    H/D have been progressing very well under Krylova and Camerlengo, and I'd like to see that continue but I actually wouldn't be surprised if they did follow Massimo.
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    That's my point. Marina won't let Scali touch her precious choreo, I bet ;) . I want to see Scali's choreography but as long as Zoueva is head of the school, more :yawn: Marina choreography for all her pairs.
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    So long as it's the American H/D who end up with Marina, I don't care. If she tries to get the Spanish H/D I'll be annoyed.

    This is a good career move for Scali and a good rebuilding move for Zoueva. But they really need to rebuild the roster of top teams in Canton, because there is only so much one can do with the Shibs.
  36. Ziggy

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    I don't think she would have poached him otherwise. She has already collaborated with Maurizio Margaglio this season. He was involved in creating some of the programs for her teams, IIRC.
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    Okay I will set the record straight. H&D are staying with Pasquale. They love him and are loyal to him and the team.
    Massimo takes over Oleg's job at Canton. He went back to Chicago.
    I doubt any team will leave DSC for Canton this year or next.
    Pasquale and Massi remain good friends and he was told he will always be welcomed back with open arms.
    Massi was looking to expand his horizons. Everyone is sad to see Massi leave DSC.
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    I wonder if DSC will try to find a replacement for Massimo, after all K/C have a lot of couples. I read that Fabian Bourzat will join Shpilband in Novi, maybe Tessa Virtue could be someone, who would be interested to join DSC? I think she would be a great choreographer.
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    Also, I saw Vladislav Vladimirovich Zhovnirski there at the rink with his team of Lina Fedorova/Maxim Miroshkin
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    Tessa and Scott have moved back to Canada, although I did see Tessa parking space sign still there. (I parked in it)