Lysacek and Weir Comeback: Are they US Top 2?

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  1. caseyedwards

    caseyedwards Well-Known Member

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    With the Hersh article he ends with something indicating a Weir-Lysacek rivalry will be good and drive news stories. I doubt it.

    Skating has changed. Chan was always there saying quads are not important and shouldn't matter and winners should have it all! Quads were not involved it having it all. It was all triple jumps and spins and steps and PCS. Programs with tons of transitions and choreo and all that and quads were not important. Lysacek was saying the same exact thing and all his supporters were saying the exact same thing and now Chan is doing quads. Quads are now part of everything. You can't have everything and not do quads. No top tier person is not doing quads now. Takahashi is doing them basically well in SP's and LP's. There can be no anti-quad or quads don't matter activism. They do matter and are important and valued in skating again.
  2. doubleflutz

    doubleflutz New Member

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    QUAD QUAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  3. aftershocks

    aftershocks Well-Known Member

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    Attack of the Freaking Quads! :scream:

    Quad is ruining the sport -- has already ruined the sport, not to mention groins, bones, joints, ligaments, beauty of the sport. It's just an extra revolution that goes by in a split second, but yet it takes tons of training time, mental energy, and physical wearing down. It's not worth it. But it won't go away. What are the physical limits anyway? Will Quintuple jumps ever be possible? Probably not unless humans evolve into different physical beings.

    I don't think there have been enough studies on the physical aspects of jumps in figure skating nor enough appropriate training for developing quads -- it's only been happening slowly and piecemeal without a proper understanding and appreciation of the long term impact on skaters' bodies. I came across the below article on the Internet, which makes interesting points:

    http://iceskatingresources.org/Triple&QuadJumps.html

    As to Weir and Lysacek, I agree with psycho: It's too soon to know what will happen. I do feel that both Weir and Lysacek are serious about making the effort to come back, and nothing that happened at Worlds this year, at least regarding the U.S. men, has likely put a damper on their enthusiasm.

    Below is a vid of Evan's new program performed at Ice Chips (poor clip filmed by an 8-year-old):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMUBfEV2MGo

    Evan's other performance at Ice Chips -- a bit better quality clip:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg5uTMhiWBg&feature=related
  4. Jaana

    Jaana Well-Known Member

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    Has Takahashi a quad in SP? I must have missed it then. Yes, now in Worlds he jumped a successful quad in LP, but not in combination. How many times has he been successful with a quad in recent major competitions like Worlds? Not that many times is my impression, but maybe my memory is just bad.
  5. carriemarie

    carriemarie New Member

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    He attempted a 4 toe - 3 toe combo, quad was fine, but had a downgrade on the 3 toe and I think a fall as well.
  6. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    Above are the OP's thoughts in regards to this thread. Clearly, this thread is about IF Lysacek and Weir were to come back. Any comments to the effect of these two NOT coming back is off-topic, irritatingly repetative and stiflingly boring.
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  7. Moka-Ananas

    Moka-Ananas Man's Ruin

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    I actually don't care but I'd love to see Johnny back on the scene :)
  8. Jenna

    Jenna Well-Known Member

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    ^ Yup. I see Johnny sometimes in Hackensack. It's marvelous to see him training again. I hope he follows through :)
  9. DimaToe

    DimaToe Well-Known Member

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    If the come back, they could easily be 1 and 2, or 4 and 5. U.S men are headcases, so it's hard to say where they could place if they return. It would come down to which other men deliver at nationals, and how well trained both of them are.
  10. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    :confused: :huh:

    Lysacek's record at Nationals:

    1st (Novice) - 1st (Junior, then senior for the rest) - 12th - 12th - 7th - 5th - 3rd - 2nd - 1st - 1st - 3rd - 2nd

    Weir's record at Nationals:

    3rd (Novice) - 4th (Junior) - 5th (Junior, then senior for the rest) - 6th - 5th -
    WD* - 1st - 1st - 1st - 3rd - 2nd - 5th - 3rd

    These are the results of headcases? I wish I could be so continually successful as this...in ANY aspect of my life!

    * According to wikipedia, "Johnny Weir, who had been in medal contention after the short program, hit the barrier during his long program, got up and restarted his program, then had to withdraw..." (Weir was second after the SP.)
  11. DimaToe

    DimaToe Well-Known Member

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    I was reffering to the current field, which doesnt include Weir and Lysacek, since theyve been absent for two seasons, I should have clarified that :p
  12. twinsissv

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    :lol: ...and that newest of combo elements...the quad/ quad/ quad/quad into an elegant...QUAD!!! :lol:

    :rolleyes:SHEESH!!!
  13. pinky166

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    Can't they just create a rivalry between 2 other skaters? Like Miner-Rippon or Farris-Brown? I mean, I hope they don't, but it wouldn't be that difficult to do honestly. They don't need Johnny and Evan to come back to have news stories, plus neither will be competitive without a quad, which I doubt either has at this point considering they weren't doing them during the Olympic season. The press can get news stories about other skaters without these two coming back.
  14. Marroncream

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    Quad, Quad, Quad, Quad, Quad, Quad...
    Oh baby l like it.
    It's so exciting.
    Don't try to hide it.
    I'mma make you my b...

    :lol:
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  15. olympic

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    Well, what the 2 of them actually say and actually will do are 2 different things. However, US men's skating is in such sad shape right now that if they do come back, all power to them. They will probably be 1 or 2 with or without Abbott around. Abbott is too much of headcase (throwing in the towel).
  16. Jaana

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    Not at the Nationals, where either of them will be 2nd. And that one will be Evan, in my opinion.
  17. attyfan

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    You are right about the changes in skating ... that quads are relatively common is precisely why quads don't drive news stories (not doing quads, by contrast, is newsworthy ... on a "man bites dog" rationale)
  18. nylynnr

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    If Evan and Johnny return to competition, their quads or lack there of will be a major focus in the skating media . . . if they are training them; when they will try them; how many points they gain by doing/not doing; whether either will ever try two in a program; whether either will put the quad in the short. This season, Brandon's (early) quad Lutz; Jeremy talking about putting the quad in his short; and Rippon's pursuit of a quad were discussed. U.S. men doing quads will always drive a certain number of stories in the U.S., simply because quads carry a large amount of points and some top U.S. men don't do them.
  19. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    LOL at anyone thinking Weir will be anywhere near the top even in the U.S if he comes back. :lol:
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  20. Jenna

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    ^ Not so fast. Weir is looking very focused and serious in training. 3As are now looking simple for him, and he is about 50% on the 4T from what I have seen. Do not count him out yet!
  21. judgejudy27

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    OK maybe he has an outside shot IF somehow Johnny returns in great form AND Evan doesnt return with him (which isnt what this thread title is about anyway). He will have to blow the others off the ice though as he was never a favorite of the USFSA and after his tell all book they will have their scalpels ready should he ever show up at Nationals again. Also his best performances came 6th at the 2010 Olympics where the caliber of skating was frankly quite poor. That would indicate probably something more like a 12th place finish amongst todays field which is infinitely stronger based on how international judges see his skating, and this is with what was his best possible skating when he was last in peak condition and a regular competitor. So unless he comes back skating at a much higher level than he was in 2010 (triple axels were easy for him even then) the US judges have no reason to think he is even any more competitive internationally than their current struggling crop, and have more reason to invest in the up and comers who still could improve if given the experience. Not to mention Abbott always skates well at Nationals and was beating Johnny very easily at Nationals back when he last competed in 2010. There is definitely no reason to believe that will change, especialy when the USFSA doesnt even like Weir. It would take a rare bad Nationals for Abbott like 2011 to open up any cracks for Weir.
  22. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    Here's hoping we don't get people attempting to create a Farris-Brown rivalry (although I believe we agreed on that in another thread! :lol:)

    I love a good battle as much as the next person, but why, in FS, must there always be a "rivalry" hyped up by the press? In the case of Farris-Brown, why not take an angle about a young talented US TEAM taking on the world? Why always make it "Skater A vs Skater B"?
  23. merrywidow

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    Just rewatched my tape of Johnny's interview at US Nationals & he said he wasn't coming back for medals. He is training & wants to come back for himself & because his family & fans want him to. He wants to "bring back my sexy". I assume he means his style & beauty on the ice.
  24. LilJen

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    His 3As were always gorgeous. Little stinker apparently got this jump in 3 weeks. Making the rest of us insanely jealous at how easily some of this stuff has come to him.:lol:
  25. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    I will second that - Weir is looking quite serious about his training down in Hackensack. I'm not saying he will do well at Nationals or Worlds, but that his intent really does seem to be to try to make this comeback happen.
  26. olympic

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    ^Maybe Weir wants to show the USFSA that, with the state of US men, they need him and just maybe, they will have to kiss his ring