Lysacek and Shibs withdrawal from SLC

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by eurodance2001, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    Speak for yourself but when it comes to Lysacek and Plushenko I have always been right. Like I said I started a thread 4 months before the Games guaranteeing Evan winning the 2010 Olympic Gold despite that I admit I am not a fan of his. If I was a payed member I would link to the old thread and prove it but if you are you can find it yourself I am sure if you want. I also knew Plushenko would medal in Vancouver as it was a bunch of headcases, guys returning from injury, and mostly guys who didnt even have a quad.

    I similarily have predicted ever since Evan's announced "comeback" beginning in 2012 he would end up withdrawing more than skating (note I am not specifying his injuries arent legitimate in some cases) and have been right on the money on that too.
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    The knees aren't even the main thing anymore LOL. I think comebacks are great and the stories of Plushenko and Cohen in 2010 were compelling!
  4. leapfrogonice

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    Definitely disappointed by all the withdrawals. Wishing everyone speedy recoveries, assuming they are injury related (though this has not been confirmed across the board).

    The dance event was originally looking like it would be more stacked and competitive than any of the Grand Prixs. Obviously Davis/White will start their year off with another win, but it was going to be exciting to see the other new programs in this field. Now, not as much.

    Ladies event scores will look pretty distorted. An intramural Team USA meet, then the scores will likely drop off considerably.

    Men's won't have the same excitement of the Evan meets Max challenge. Pairs should be fine as beyond the top 4 teams in the world, that discipline more than the others seems like it could be anyone's game on anyone's fewest mistakes day.
  5. Garden Kitty

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    Sorry for everyone who had to withdraw due to injury, but very happy that Grant got the assignment. I really enjoy his skating.
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  6. jlai

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    Yes, I'm glad that USFS is finally spreading the wealth some
  7. Capella

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    I would bet that most people here don't doubt that Evan is truly injured (this time). It's just getting old that the withdrawal happens within a day or two of the event beginning. That seems selfish, but maybe the blame goes to USFS for not announcing what probably seemed obvious since Champ's Camp (if not before).
  8. manhn

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    Maybe there just wasn't enough space for them.
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  9. kwanfan1818

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    :lol:
  10. NadineWhite

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    Well I'm not surprised to see all the bitching & moaning (it's par for the course), nor am I surprised to see those that are sticking up for the skaters either. :)

    I'm of the latter of course. I recall all the excitement when Sasha Cohen came back during the Olympic Season (what guts; it's just too bad about all the injuries that delayed her return earlier). Lol I even tried to get a last minute ride up to Spokane to watch her impressive comeback, and it was impressive, make no mistake about that! To come in 4th after being away so long was heroic, and holy smokes she was muscled all over with a six-pack to boot! :eek: :respec: Not to mention Elaine Zayak's comeback after being away for a decade (she too came in 4th). And how can one forget all the comebacks during the 1993/94 season. :cool: Of those that came back only G&G (gold) and Torvill/Dean (bronze) managed to medal at the Olympics, what a feat!!!! The others tried but fell short (at least they made it out of their respective Nationals and to the Olympics): Viktor Petrenko (4th), Kurt Browning (5th), Brian Boitano (6th), Katarina Witt (7th).

    And none of the aforementioned have medalled at three Olympiads like Evgeni Plushenko has. In fact it hasn't been done since Sonja Henie & Gillis Grafstrom in the 1920's/30's. And if Zhenya medals at the 2014 Olympics, he will tie Mr. Grafstrom in having been the only two figure skaters in history to have medalled in 4 Olympiads. I'm cheering him on, as I want to see history made, not just because I'm a fan of his, lol (felt the same way when Michael Phelps broke Mark Spitz's record). After all I'm a figure skating fan first & foremost. Therefore, I'm also cheering Evan Lysacek on as well. Here's hoping they both make it back successfully! :kickass: :40beers:
  11. Carolla5501

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    What a genius. It is a shame you can't use these skills in a more profitable way.
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  12. julieann

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    To be fair, that's like saying the sun will rise and set tomorrow. Accurate but very predictable.
  13. allezfred

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    How convenient. :lol:
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  14. nuge

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    :(:wuzrobbed:wuzrobbed:wuzrobbed I was so looking forward to P/B .
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    Are Pechalt /B out for injury ?
  16. Simone411

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    judgejudy27, may I borrow your Crystal Ball? I'd like to use it to make correct predictions this season. ;)
  17. Sylvia

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    Misha Ge tweeted today that he has decided to withdraw from SLC :( - he received his travel documents too late to make his travel arrangements.

    ETA from earlier in the thread re. Nathalie P├ęchalat & Fabian Bourzat:
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  18. taf2002

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    I can tell you how to make correct predictions. You just make 10,000 posts with all different scenerios - backtrack, contradict yourself, eventually at least one of them will be correct. Then you can point to that post & claim that you're always right. But be sure to post as Simone411 when you make the right one so you can claim it.
  19. Simone411

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    Thank you, taf, for that invaluable information! And I'll be very sure to post as Simone411! Very good advice! :) :respec:
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  20. maureenfarone

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    No, it appear they always intended to start their season in France in October. Maybe the comp. is French Masters...I'm not sure of the name!
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    Sorry to hear about all of the withdrawals. I was looking forward to P/B and the Shibs.

    Happy about Grant H. getting a spot.
  22. WildRose

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    Kurt Browning didn't retire and comeback, he was the reigning World Champion going into the 1994 Olympics.
  23. judiz

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    Every time Evan starts the heavy duty training for a competition, he gets injured and can't compete. Maybe it's time for Evan to realize his body is trying to tell him enough and it's time to retire from competition before permanent damage occurs.
  24. OliviaPug

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    Although I'm really pulling for Evan, ^^ This ^^.

    It's difficult for an athlete to give up or to scale back, but constant or recurring injury is not a good course for any athlete. No athletic goals can be met under such circumstances and, as Judiz points out, permanent damage is a very real possibility.

    I truly wish Evan all the best. It would be wonderful to see him come back (and Plushenko too) and compete at their best.

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  25. SkateFan66

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    It will be difficult for Lysacek to come back from this injury. Whenever a third degree abdominal tear is surgically repaired (sometimes needing reconstruction and repair), the area around the initial injury is subject to injury (Especially around the area that the carbon fiber mesh was inserted) Luckily Evan's current abdominal tear is classified as minor, which gives slight hope that he may be able to recover from it in time to compete this season. However, it is doubtful.
  26. peibeck

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    :fragile: Drats, I was so psyched to see his programs.
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  27. leafygreens

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    There's nothing wrong with capitalizing on OGM as long as you are not crying wolf to do so.

    Injuries become a problem when fans can routinely predict them.
  28. SkateFan66

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    Lysacek is not crying wolf. It is well documented that he has been injured. Lysacek is not the first athlete to battle injury problems, and he won't be the last. Instead of mocking an athlete because they try and return to competition after an injury, we should respect their courage to try and overcome the injury. The athlete may not succeed in coming back from the injury; however, they should be commented for trying. We may not understand why an athlete will try to continue competing, or agree with their decision to continue training for competition. However, ultimately it is their life, their decision, their sacrifice.
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  29. Theatregirl1122

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    There's no such thing as going for the team event instead. Unless the country doesn't have an Olympic spot in one of the four disciplines, their entries for the team event must come from their entries for the solo event.
  30. Iceman

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    Evan needs to cut back on his training. He has always seemed to overtrain imo.
  31. SkateFan66

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    I agree. When Evan tweeted the week prior to Champs Camp that he was working overtime to learn his new free skate, I knew that was disaster waiting to happen. Overtraining is a quick way to aggravate an old injury or cause a new injury.
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    That only works if no one qualifies for the event and is "appointed" or possibly, depending on the substitution rules for the Olympics, if one of the team participants is injured (or "injured"), then the alternate should be able to skate the individual event.

    As posted by Sylvia, the US Olympic team members will not go to 4C's in Taipei. In 2010, the Men's alternate(s) went to 4C's in South Korea. #4 in Dance and #3 in Ladies and Pairs did not go, but the trip from where they were training to Vancouver was reasonable with, at most, three time zones to which to adjust. I know there was a big snow storm when Emily Hughes was called to take Kwan's spot in Torino, which means the alternates weren't onsite until called. (USOC would have been responsible for their accommodations; they wouldn't get spots in the Olympic Village unless they were called to compete.) If Lysacek makes the US team and the Men's alternate doesn't go to Taipei, it *may* mean that USFS -- or the athlete, since it seems they are given the option -- is not taking any chances.

    ETA:
    Lysacek won in Vancouver by doing everything the best he possibly could, covering every inch of the ice, and having the stamina to be consistently strong and powerful throughout his entire program. He doesn't have a quad or two and a 3A or two that he can do in his sleep a short time after being on the ice after having back surgery: he's never been consistent or technically strong with the big-scoring elements. When he was young, he skated with a cracked pelvic bone. Working hard through injury is what he knows; he's compensating for not having an ideal skater's build or being a natural.

    Plushenko trained like a madman for 2010, because he decided on a comeback too late to do otherwise and be competitive. He's scaled back his training for Sochi to take age and the cumulative effects of injuries and surgeries into consideration. He can, because at least up to this point, even when he's not perfect, he's got enough ingrained technique that he's been able to land the stuff that gets him monster scores, even at 85-90%.
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  33. Rock2

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    Oh for gosh sakes, Evan, just go away. Congrats on Vancouver. Next.
  34. Yazmeen

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    No skater has to "go away." Nothing wrong with him (or Plushenko, or Sasha in 2006) giving it a shot. Let the "better" young guns step it up and beat them fair and square. The simple fact is that the US men at this point are not all that competitive on an international stage. I can't blame him at all for trying.

    I get that Evan isn't everyone's cup of tea, but geez, you'd think it was totally unfair for him to even take a shot at this the way some on this board are acting.
  35. Sylvia

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    Salt Lake Tribune article on Lysacek's withdrawal: http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/56846432-77/lysacek-figure-skating-international.html.csp

    Statement by Grant Hochstein: http://figureskatersonline.com/news/2013/09/10/grant-hochstein-launches-redesigned-website/
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    I agree that it's unnecessary and pointless to tell Lysacek to go away. He is free to come and go as he likes. The people who need to go away are the journalists who can't find anything better to cover than hyping the endless parade of "I've come out of retirement" announcements and the withdrawal news (not just Lysacek). It would be due diligence to cover it once, plainly, when the athlete makes the announcement, and then wait till the competition starts to cover it again. OGM so-and-so has come out of retirement and plans to compete in XXX on so-and-so date. That's it. What's irritating is for news organizations and reporters to devote the resource and space to cover some celebrity's every sneeze and cough and utterance, rather than getting off their butts and covering a few people who are working really hard making a difference for the sport and community. How many stories have we seen featuring the PSA nominees of developmental coaches, the medical staff, the not-so-renowned choreographers, the judges who volunteer their own time and intellect, and people who contribute to the skating community? How many full-length stories has Ice Network published on Lysacek or Sasha Cohen's return over the years? How many feature stories have they published on Tammy Gambill, Jim Peterson, the Wheaton Ice Skating Academy, Joe Inman, etc., etc.? Even for someone as famous as Phillip Mills, I had to listen to Manleywoman's podcast to learn that he danced for ABT in his youth. What is the use of official "real news media" if all they give us is rehashed press releases?

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  37. Simone411

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    Well, the way I look at is that Evan is already away from you. He's not even close to where you are and not thinking about you because he probably doesn't know who you are. Therefore, you shouldn't worry about Evan going away. :)
  38. Loves_Shizuka

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    Where is Evan due next? SA?
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    So long as you have skaters like Todd Eldredge who was able to regain his national title at the age of 30, go on to compete at '02 Olympics & place a competitive 6th or an Elvis Stojko at 29 who placed 8th at those same games, you will have former champions attempting comebacks later in their careers. More power to them, I say.
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  40. leafygreens

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    I'm not saying he's crying wolf on his injuries. He's crying wolf about coming back to compete. How about first get into competitive shape, and then announce you're ready. Rather than just assume you'll be ready by a certain competition? That's asking for trouble.