Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by eurodance2001, Sep 9, 2013.
I think you meant to type SLC in your title? ETA: Thanks for correcting it!
Nice opportunity for Grant Hochstein and Alissandra Aronow/Collin Brubaker (their first international as a team).
Maybe this will free up some space for Dave and Jenny!
I did.. SLC! SC is still a bit away! Lol.. Thanks for the correction
Well of course Evan withdrew.
As I posted in the KnK thread on this, I hope that Evan will not keep cancelling events prior to Nationals...a-la Sasha Cohen in the lead-up to 2010 Nationals. He really needs to get his programs out there before Nationals if he really intends to earn one of the two Men's spots on the US Oly team.
Pairs: Purdy/Marinano (CAN)
Ladies: Fleur Maxwell (LUX)
Men: Patrick Myzyk (POl)
Dance: Pechelate/Bourzat (FRA)
I'm little fuzzy on the ever changing rules for ISU competition, but does this mean that Lysacek has to find another international in order to get a minimum score for Skate America? Or does that only apply for ISU championships?
Half of this news is really surprising.
Hope all the injuries heal.
No, he doesn't.
Hochstein didn't get a chance to compete internationally last season so now he can aim for obtaining the minimum TES for 2014 Four Continents at least.
Are these all injury withdraws? (I hope not....)
This P/B tweet makes it sound like they're planning to begin their season as usual at the French Masters competition in early October: https://twitter.com/PechalatBourzat/status/376827368763326465
Link to yesterday's update posted on P/B's official FB fan page: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151648312446188&id=181962471187
I have no idea. These are just the stakers (plus Lysacek and the Shibutanis) who were on the original roster and who were not on the roster posted today on the US Figure Skating Classic web site. Sorry I don't have any more information.
I wonder why they even signed up for this event... I thought Igor was trying to make a statement that they would be ready to challenge D&W even this early... apparently not.
An article about Purdy/Marinaro reveals that she was healing from a shoulder injury, and while the article indicated that they would compete at SLC, perhaps they weren't ready after all.
Too much friskiness with Vera?
He doesn't need a minimum score for a GP host spot, nor as a "comeback" skater had he wanted to take that option.
He needs a minimum score from Skate America or a senior international to skate at the Olympics or ISU Championships. There are many senior internationals between SLC and the Olympics, including four between US Nationals and the Olympics. They're all in Europe, and if he were to make the Olympic team and still need the minimum score, he could acclimate while gaining the score and head straight to Sochi.
That's also assuming the ISU wouldn't make an exception for him like they did for Plushenko entering Europeans the first year of the minimum.
Hmm... he may go for the team event instead? That should give Evan enough time to heal by then. So a showdown between Evan and Plushenko is still viable at this point. That should generate a lot of publicity and excitement.
I said it when Evan's "comeback" began 2 years ago, but the only surprise would be if there is any event he doesnt withdraw from due to "injury".
A showdown for what, 7th or 8th place if it even happened. That is no publicity. It is like if Michelle Kwan and Midori Ito both came back to the Olympics right now and somehow made it and trying to hype up a showdown between them when it wasnt even for a medal. Everyone knows the real contenders are Chan, Fernandez, Hanyu, and Takahashi.
He seems to need the "comebacks" to stay active for his Sponsors. Ever since the Olympics Evan has been only about the $$$$$$.
That's true, how dare he attempt to capitalize on his OGM and earn endorsements. After all, no other skater in history has ever done that.
It's so nice to share a board with so many people who absolutely know for sure what goes on in a skater's head and have empathic capabilities to know (from a distance) whether or not he/she is really injured...
Very true and I dont blame him for that. This is the last part of his window so best to rake in as much moolah as he can before he fades into complete obscurity post Sochi with the new stars success, and SOI close to going kapoot. The best thing he could do for his own marketing value is to give the illusion of being a competitive skater again while never actually competing.
2010 was supposed to be a showdown between Chan, Takahashi, some people thought Lambiel, who less than a point short of bronze (and whose footwork seqs were as slow as Curry doing school figures), and Joubert, if he could hold it together for the first time in an Olympics. Weir if he could regain form. Even Contesti, who was the 2009 Euros silver medalist and fifth at 2009 Worlds looked like he could challenge for a medal at the end of the 2009 season. Plushenko had just started a crash program to get back into shape, and even though Lysacek was the reigning World Champion, he wasn't on very many lists for gold, especially without a quad.
The Olympics are really a different kettle of fist with the demise of school figures.
They could, but I don't think they'd do it for the Olympics, though.
Oh please Plushenko and Lysacek were atleast two of the favorites for 2010. Plushenko was the bookies odds to win in fact, and Evan was reigning World Champion and I even started a thread 4 months before the Games guaranteeing Lysacek to win (despite not being a fan of his). I was that certain it was going to happen. People didnt expect Lambiel to beat Plushenko, he had just lost to him by like 20 points at Europeans. Takahashi was not favored over Lysacek, he had just bombed and lost to him by a similar margin at the Grand Prix final. Everyone knows Lambiel or Takahashi skating relatively cleanly would probably be the winners no matter what the others did, but nobody expected them to deliver that either (and they didnt). Chan had been injured all season and was barely considered a contender going into Vancouver, and his 6th place was about as expected.
This time around is not a similiar situation by the biggest stretch of the imagination. The only way they would be contending for gold in Sochi (even if the miracle either made it there in decent shape) is if atleast 4 or 5 guys fell atleast 4 or 5 times. A showdown implies it is the 2 guys who are expected to duel it out at the top, and that is not the case here.
I wish that these insults to Evan would stop.
I 2nd, 3rd and 4th that. Alrighty then!
And you don't expect Plushenko, after getting in shape slowly, will be a favorite if he does as well at Euros 2014 as he did at Euros 2010, but that Hanyu will, when he's done more weak FS's than strong?
We have no idea what Lysacek looks like now. If he doesn't show up to SA, US Nats will be the biggest indication of what shape he's in, because the US Olympic team members are not going to 4C's, and Lysacek could waltz through a senior B to get the scores.
I 5th, 6th and 7th it. Amen!
Denis Ten's stunning silver last worlds was why one would "never say never"
Plushenko at this point will be lucky to still be able to walk if he keeps up with his "comeback" and I actually like Plushenko alot. No he isnt a favorite for anything at this point, and he needs to give it up for his own good (I mean more his health than a potential bad result which is small potatoes as he is already a legend). Atleast in his case I do think he is extremely serious about his comeback, and in his case that is what worries me given the state of his knees and having had multiple surgeries the last 5 years alone.
I honestly had my doubts Lysacek would show up at SLC after hearing Frank Carroll say that Evan's injury was much more serious than people thought, that he was training in pain and that his quad sometimes worked and sometimes didn't. Hopefully he won't be forced to withdraw from Skate America too due to injury.
At this point,if he actually comes back, I'd just say it'd be best for Evan to get the minimums at one of the more obscure Senior B's (Crystal Skate perhaps?)
....bummed about the other withdrawals though
Thrilled for Grant and Aronow/Brubaker! Grant had one of the highest summer scores of all senior men and it was driving me crazy that he had nothing yet. Now we just need to find Leng/Leduc an assignment and all will be right with the world!
If they keep going like this, one day we'll be right when we count these old guys out
when is the event?
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