Leonova too much like a poor womens Slutskaya

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by judgejudy27, May 25, 2011.

  1. bardtoob

    bardtoob Well-Known Member

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    The Soviet Federation would have gladly politiced away higher ordinals in Ladies singles for dance and pairs ordinals.
     
  2. TheIronLady

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    Irina carried so much speed that she is unimitable. Her upper body was so jerky, especially her arms and neck. Leonova's skating rhythm is different. She doesn't have the jerky head and arms (or Slutskaya's bouncy edges). She has far less power and doesn't mimic Irina's signature movements.
     
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  3. Japanfan

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    Aside from the fact that both have bubbly personalities, they really aren't many similarities. Irina was one of the best and the only lady who could challenge Kwan on a regular basis.

    Leonova finished fourth in what was generally a poorly skated ladies free skate at Worlds. She won't do that well again unless she improves remarkably. Asada, Murakami, Makarova (sp?), Alissa are all better skaters than her and there will be more next year (i.e. Nagasu, Lepisto).

    Although I appreciate Leonova's joyful expression, she is lacking in so many areas where Irina shone, particularly speed and power. I've never agreed that Irina skated like a truck driver and didn't find her upper body movements jerky. However, Leonova in my view skates like a truck driver in the sense that she is very unpolished.
     
  4. TheIronLady

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    I agree with you that Slutskaya had an underrated power that captivated the senses in a way other skaters did not. She also improved throughout the years artistically. Still, her upper body movements-- her arm movements and head carriage- were totally non-musical and at times very ugly. Leonova does not have the distracting or ungraceful styles of arm waving that were characteristic of Slutskaya.
     
  5. Aussie Willy

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    I don't care that she is not a polished skater. Sometimes they are the most enjoyable to watch. She probably had the most interesting and exciting program in the ladies event at worlds. And her performance level was amazing and I loved the character and personality she showed.
     
  6. TheIronLady

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    She also had the most exciting hair.
     
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  7. t.mann

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    Because Leonova's idol is Slutskaya, Irina seems to have a strong emotional connection to Leonova. :)
     
  8. TheIronLady

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    It would be nice if Butyrskaya was idolized too. She had an interesting Russian style. Have any of the young skaters mentioned Butyrskaya as a role model?
     
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  10. judgejudy27

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    It would be nice to hear of one but I havent yet. Slutskaya was always the real famous one in Russia except for possibly the 9 months after Maria won Worlds, but when Irina's comeback gained steamed the focus was immediately back on her.
     
  11. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    The only thing I see Leonova having in common with Slutskaya is the lively personality on the ice. Other than that, Irina was far superior in every aspect of FS. At age 17, Irina had already landed a 3sal-3loop in a competition. I do like Leonova, but I would never compare her with Irina. Unless she makes significant strides in the next year or two, her spot on the Russian team could be in jeopardy. BTW I loved her Witches LP at the recent worlds, and there was a great shot of Irina with tears in her eyes. I think she was just happy for a fellow Russian lady.

    I do miss Maria Butyrskaya because we don't hear much about her. She had a lovely, elegant, mature style. I still liked irina more though.
     
  12. judgejudy27

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    I did find Maria and Irina had totally different styles and strengths which is why I enjoyed their rivalry. Ivanova, Kondrashova, and Voderezova were all different from one another as well.

    Makarova and Leonova are both going to have the heat on them in a big way when the current Russian juniors become age eligible.
     
  13. pinky166

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    There's a chance neither Makarova or Leonova go to Euros/Worlds next season. It's not likely, but Shelepen, Sheveleva, Agafonova, Ovcharova, Birukova and Korobeinkova will all be age eligible for those events this coming season and it's not out of the realms of possibility that any 3 of those given skaters could beat Leonova and Makarova at Russian Nats and bump them off the team, sort of a la what happened to Rippon and Abbott at US nationals this season. I know all the focus is on Adelina and Liza who aren't eligible for another season, but there are quite a few talented ladies who will be eligible this season and can certainly challenge for those spots at Worlds/Euros.
     
  14. paskatefan

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  15. TheIronLady

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    The judges preferred Kostner.
     
  16. Vash01

    Vash01 Fan of Julia, Elena, Anna, Liza, and Vera

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    It was definitely the most exciting performance at worlds in the ladies competition. I wish she could have medalled.
     
  17. judgejudy27

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    The 3rd to 5th place performances at Worlds were in many ways better than the gold and silver. Kim not only made a slew of mistakes but looked so bored and unmotivated as if she were doing runthroughs of her program in practice, and Ando was typical Ando.
     
  18. kwanatic

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    Alena's style irks me the same way Irina's style irked me. There's very little musicality in the movement, but there is an energy and happiness there that's refreshing. I can admit that Alena, by far, had the most enjoyable skate at worlds this year. Her energy and exuberance brought the house down...plus she was the only one who actually looked like they were having any fun.

    Still, I can't stand her skating, especially when the judges gift her with absurdly high PCS, which she often gets. I'm glad she had such a good showing at worlds because the field will be ridiculously tough next season with many of the Russian babies being eligible for senior worlds...

    But once Adelina and Liza T make the jump, forget about it...she won't stand a chance.
     
  19. overedge

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    And your point is? The judges preferring Kostner has nothing to do with the validity of Aussie Willie's description of what she likes about Leonova's skating.
     
  20. TheIronLady

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    You don't have to be so defensive. My point was that Leonova got lower performance/execution and components than Kostner. It's worth considering that some people, perhaps the judges, did not find Leonova exciting or enjoyable.
     
  21. Marco

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    IMO Leonova was much more exciting to watch than Kostner at Moscow Worlds. It was probably the programs. Kostner's were much more subtle whereas Leonova's were very catchy.

    Kostner deservedly had higher PCS due to her fulfilling other PCS criteria.
     
  22. overedge

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    Why is it "worth considering"? If everyone had the same opinion of Leonova's skating, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. Incidentally, Aussie Willy is also a judge.
     
  23. TheIronLady

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    Well my opinion is Leonova had to be really awful in terms of presentation and artistic merit to lose to Kostner! To me this doesn't even need spelled out.
     
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  24. Aussie Willy

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    Alena was not gifted with her PCS. She was in the 7s and 8s for them and I think they are pretty justified. I probably would have her top in the PE/EX mark because that performance had so much energy and she really did everything she was meant to. She didn't draw you in, she threw it out in the audience. And I felt she had one of the most interpretive programs out there because it wasn't just getting out and skating, she was creating character and you were left in no doubt about her intentions. And I really appreciate a skater who has put that much work into that side of the program too because it definately wasn't ignored. The fact that we are talking about how exciting her performance was and that we enjoyed it I think actually validates that.
     
  25. Japanfan

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    This is Kostner's third world medal and she's definitely one of the top ladies. Finishing fourth behind her is not shabby and finish fourth overall is something for Leona to be proud off. Alyssa was fifth, and Alyssa is certainly not awful in terms of presentation and artistic merit.
     
  26. AndyWarhol

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    Agreed. Finally someone with some sense.
     
  27. AndyWarhol

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    Oh yes, because judges are renowned for having good taste...
     
  28. mysticchic

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    Oh please don't feed the trolls! Or encourage them:shuffle:
     
  29. Aussie Willy

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    And you are qualified to be the expert on the question of taste because ....

    Taste is an individual thing. You can either like something or not. However sometimes you have go against you likes and dislikes and look at whether is something done well and the skater does what is being asked of them.

    Regardless of whether you like Leonova's program or not, the fact is she did have a really high performance level and she also used her music to create a theme and character. Taste actually doesn't come in it.

    Gee I really hate Mariah Carey who is not to my taste. But if a skater does a great program to her music, then I will give them credit for it.
     
  30. AndyWarhol

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    HAHA. I never said i was more qualified in matters of taste than yourself, i just found it amusing that someone used the fact that someone being a judge made them qualified to have a decent opinion about a program when the worst thing about skating is the judging. I prefer skaters with pretty/balletic positions and flow, not leaping around like mad circus freaks... each to their own though....

    I am a qualified stylist though. Her costume was hideous.