Leonova too much like a poor womens Slutskaya

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  1. judgejudy27

    judgejudy27 Well-Known Member

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    I find Leonova looks too much like a very poor womens Slutskaya. And as such inevitably you watch her skate you cant help comparing the two as they are so similar, and Leonova falls short by direct comparision in basically every department even when she skates very well. I think she needs to develop her own identity and own unique strengths (if possible) to move to the next level. Does anyone else agree.
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  3. overedge

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    No, they aren't.
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    ... What is with your thread titles?
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  5. bardtoob

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    Leonova reminds me more of Ivanova, in general, and Butryskaya, artistically. She is weird and interesting, and I like it.

    Irina was rather conventional in terms of artistry and more athletic. My favorite Irina program, however, was to eastern Euro folk music, so I think it worked for her.
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  6. dawnie

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    I read somewhere that Slutskaya cried tears of joy for Leonova after her program. Maybe because Leonova reminded her of herself?
    I don't think Leonova will ever have a Slutskaya-like career. I think this year was her only shot at a World medal and she came dangerously close to the podium.
  7. escaflowne9282

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    ITA, They are so :confused:
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    BigB08822 Well-Known Member

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    Not in the least...

    You're really turning into such a troll and you're not even good at it.
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  9. dinakt

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    I might have seen it two years, but not anymore. Leonova's programs this year went a long way to develop her own signature style, and whatever her achievements are in the future, she's nobody's copycat.
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  10. Cheylana

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    Alena is very unconventional, but she does make me smile :)
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  11. blue_idealist

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    Alena and Irina share the same kind of perkiness (although I think Alena is MORE perky), but Alena is way more voidy than Irina. I agree that Alena isn't on the same level as Irina though, at least not yet. I don't see her winning a world title ever and she may not ever make it onto a podium, although I could see her getting a bronze if she skates really well and others don't.
  12. judgejudy27

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    This year was definitely her best chance at a World medal. Makarova and Leonova are going to have to really upgrade and improve to keep their spots on the Russian team with the army of juniors coming up.
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    How many threads in the trash can do you plan on starting during the summer? :shuffle:
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  14. IceJunkie

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    JudgeJudy, if you aren't a troll, you're making yourself look like one.
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  15. Aussie Willy

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    Leonova Rocks. Leave her alone. She is her own skater. As much as I really like Irina and thought she had great personality on the ice, the two programs that Leonova put out there is season were so much more choreographically interesting and diverse than what Irina did when she was competing.
  16. MikiAndoFan#1

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    You're a pain in the arse, judgejudy27. :rolleyes:
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  17. hanca

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    A lot of threads you are starting have something in common. Pick up 2 skaters, claim how brilliant first skater is and what a rubbish is the other skater. Last year it was Yu-Na versus Mao, recently it was Michelle Kwan versus Yu-Na, Yamaguchi versus Kim, now Slutskaya versus Leonova... :rolleyes:
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  18. Marco

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    I agree.

    And I find Leonova much more musical than Slutskaya, and she looks like she is enjoying herself when she skates, unlike Slutskaya whose skating was very business-like.

    Besides the layback, I don't necessarily think Lenova's spins are worse, especially looking at Slutskaya's COP spins.
  19. Jenny81

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    Yes. you're right. :(
    What's wrong with her ?? :blah:
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    Is judgejudy an extremely poor man's Perez Hilton?
  22. Aussie Willy

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    Leonova has some really good spins. I love her flying sit - the air and lift she gets is fantastic - so light and quick.
  23. Frau Muller

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    Not similar at all...except that both are Russian. Leonova is more feminine, has nicer line, more musical, etc. Slutskaya definitely more "tomboy," more solid on the jumps and flexible in spins.
  24. aliceanne

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    So what's wrong with being poor or being like Slutskaya? If every skater skated like your favorite you'd be bored to tears and complaining that everyone looks alike. :rolleyes:
  25. pinky166

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    People will always say things like this, Leonova is a poor man's Slutskaya, Gao is a poor man's Kim, Dobbs is a poor man's Lepisto, Hicks is a poor man's Cohen, Shoji is a poor man's Arakawa, Nagasu is a poor man's Yamaguchi, yada yada....and then there are the reoccuring random debates like Kim vs. Kwan, Asada vs. Ito, Czisny vs. Cohen, etc. People will compare, but ultimately each skater is unique and has his/her strengths and weaknesses.

    Leonova isn't my cup of tea, but she's very voidy and interesting in a way Slutskaya never was, and when she's "on" her performances are very electric, IMO.
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  26. Lookingood

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    Leonova is fun to watch but i like Slutskaya way more.
  27. pinky166

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    Agreed. But not everyone can be Irina Slutskaya, she's a legend of this sport, that's very big shoes to fill for anyone.
  28. judgejudy27

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    Slutskaya probably should have won 4 or 5 World titles and 2 Olympic Golds. There were many times more she would have a big title with a clean skate. She lacked the competitive nerve of Kwan or Lipinski though.
  29. Lookingood

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    Yea i agree with you pinky. Can't wait see russian strong juniors do near future in senior stages.
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    You're such a ray of sunshine. :D
  31. Aussie Willy

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    Oh for pete sake! You criticise her for not winning worlds titles when she was competing against who you consider a skating god. And as for competitive nerve, that is just crap. She was one of the most gutsy skaters out there and everytime she went out there she gave it her all.

    Stop putting skaters on pedestals and then shoot them down. They all go out there to do their best and the shit you hang on them is really just unacceptable. And there is such a lack of consistency in your arguments.

    Why don't you start a thread about how badly Irina was robbed by Michelle then.
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    wait! this needs :watch::summer:
  33. invierno

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    Couldn't agree more. :blah:
  34. essence_of_soy

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    Slutskaya and Leonova are both very different skaters, and that's what makes them and the sport unique. Music choices and interpretation allows the individual athlete to shine.

    Having seen Leonova in person at Worlds in Moscow recently, her commitment to both programs was extraordinary. In particular, Alena really sold her free program to the rafters. It was a wonderful moment.
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    And yet we have another judgejudy thread comparing different skaters! :rofl:
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    Floskate, where are you when we need you? We need to lock another ridiculous thread. :lol:
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    Dear Moderator,
    Is this really what you want? Another ridiculous thread by judgejudy, sole purpose of which is to bash a skater. I am more disappointed by how it has been tolerated.
  39. bardtoob

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    While I am not a moderator, I would suggest you experience at least one, if not more than one, off season before passing judgement on theads . . . in the Trash Can ;)
  40. OliviaPug

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    Leonova kind of reminds me of a young Slutskaya - before Slutskaya had her early downfall (didn't make Worlds, etc.), but before she came back stronger than ever with her 1999-2000 season jump arsenal. Slutskaya emoted on the ice in a similar way.

    I find very few similarities in their skating after that.

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