Lawsuit Alleges that Paula Deen Used N-Word and Had Racist Dinner Parties

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  1. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    Most of the interview didn't bother me... until the part where she said she didn't know if using the N-word was inappropriate. That kind of sealed the deal for me, unfortunately, but I've never been a huge fan of hers. I think her food is disgusting.
     
  2. michiruwater

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    The comments on that huffington post article are just infuriating.

    Have their always been this many people on the internet talking about how Whites (capitalized) are oppressed or is it a new thing? I swear I didn't notice it happening quite so often until a few years ago. Or did it coincide with Obama's election or re-election?... (I realize only one of the above is like but there are, of course, more on the article if you have the stomach to go look.)
     
  3. kosjenka

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    I remember when a friend of mine sent me a video from a US morning TV show where Barbara Walters was reading something out of a book they were discussing and a a black co-host got very upset about about "the way she said the N-word" and how it is not okay for white people to even say that word.
    The other co-host was Whoopi Goldberg and she also had something to say about that, but since the audience did not start laughing to this ludicrous hypocrisy - i turned the video off.
     
  4. milanessa

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    I'm not trying to convince you of anything and never called her an evil, wicked woman. I just don't like hyperbole, pseudo-sociology, and revisionist history.
     
  5. michiruwater

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    I don't see where milanessa tried to convince anyone that Paula Deen was an evil, wicked woman. Most of her post was just pointing out that your statistic on lynchings was totally, totally off by a very large amount.

    And while I certainly agree with you that Deen's upbringing is what would have led her to say such a word in the distant past, the allegations are not in the distant past, and I don't think that her apparently inability to decide whether or not the n-word is inappropriate is okay given that we are no longer in the distant past. Do I think that makes her evil? No, but I think it doesn't speak very highly of her.

    But like I said, I was never buying her products anyway.
     
  6. overedge

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    I think she just needs to go away. She will look like a bigger clueless fool than Weiner if she tries to come back.
     
  7. orbitz

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    Caesars Entertainment and WALMART have dropped her. I think QVC will follow too. But Dean did put QVC in an awkward position when she publicly stated on the TODAY that QVC has not dropped her [yet].

    She's doing more harm to her brand than good by going on TV. She never really said sorry about anything but blamed other people, ie someone evil out there is trying to destroy what she had worked hard for, .... and then she ended her interview with the idiotic "I is what I is ..". Ugh.
     
  8. Vagabond

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    Andora, for the purposes of this thread, any black person topaz (or any other African-American person here) knows who has a Rice-like or Booker-like public persona will do.

    On the other hand, I don't think using the "'N' word" is quite like using swear words. I know plenty of people with advanced degrees who use swear words in private conversations, but I can't think of a time I have ever heard any of them -- black or otherwise -- use that word.
     
  9. heckles

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    She's too tacky for the folks in Las Vegas and Arkansas now? Even Tonya Harding didn't fall that far.
     
  10. VIETgrlTerifa

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    There's a historical connotation with the word, and it was used to subjugate, demean, and remind black people where they stood in society by white people. I don't like that some black people use it with one another and don't have the respect or understanding of the full power of the word. I also am not sure how effective it is to "take back" the word because it doesn't erase the historical racism associated with it. However, because there's such a historical difference between black people and white people using it, I think that explains why white people using the N-word is perceived as worse than when black people use it amongst themselves.

    Anyway, all this focus on her use of the N-word has made people forget what the initial reactions were when her passages of her deposition came out. It was about a lot more than her use of the word.
     
  11. topaz

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    Actually yes I do. They usually say the way as a "jest" or to emphasize the crazy antics or actions of people of my race. I personally do not like to use the word "Ni***" however I have used the work Negro. I use that word when I am referring to someone of my own race acting silly, or stupid or embarrassing themselves.
     
  12. Sasha'sSpins

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    Frankly, I think this will die out in a few months-especially when the next big scandal comes along.

    Home Depot and Caesars Casino dropped her as well. Her main comforts, apart from her friends and family, is probably that she still has a lot of fans on her side-and a lot of money.

    You're not flat out calling Deen evil or wicked but that's what I'm getting from your posts. If you are referring to me in that last part of your post, I'm not trying to 'revise' history nor am I using hyperbole,or pseudo-sociology. I'm stating my opinions just as you were. Sorry if it's too much for you and you finally had to resort to insulting me. I suggest you ignore my remarks from now on. I'll do the same for you.

    This is true. But it's the 'n' word that the media and everyone else seem to have latched on to. She's not doing herself any favors either by appearing on tv-and saying 'I is what I is'. :rolleyes:
     
  13. my little pony

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    are you paraphrasing or did she literally say "i is what i is"
     
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    Literally.

    Anyway, Deen doesn't get it; the use of the N word is just one among many complaints of racial discrimination and a hostile workplace.
     
  16. my little pony

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    eek!

    so far the dialogue over her choice of words is overshadowing all of the other offenses. some of them are common in her industry so i hope exposing them makes other owners/managers think twice.
     
  17. michiruwater

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    Oh gosh, that video was hard to watch. Speaking of hyperbole:

    "Please pick up that stone and throw it so hard at my head that it kills me."

    I mean, really?

    I agree with whomever said that she should have just come out at the beginning and said a short, honest apology and then left it at that.
     
  18. VIETgrlTerifa

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    She's really not making herself sympathetic. I sort of feel sorry for her because there's obviously a cognitive dissonance going on.
     
  19. my little pony

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    i dont know if she has an inept PR team or just doesnt listen. if anyone advised her not to settle out of court they are crazy.
     
  20. Andrushka

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    Has anyone posted here the actual court documents yet?I read those today,it's about SO much more than the N word.If what the documents said is true,which,I believe it probably is.She is guilty primarily of condoning horrible,racist behavior.
     
  21. overedge

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    Wow, does she look horrible. If she's trying to garner sympathy, I'm not sure that looking like you pounded back shots of bourbon all of last night is going to help...
     
  22. VIETgrlTerifa

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    The only people who think she's only being "crucified" for using the N-Word are those who either came into this controversy much later than when it started, Paula Deen supporters, and/or people who think she's a victim of political correctness and anti-Southern or elitist urban attitudes.
     
  23. OliviaPug

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    I never liked Paula Deen at all. And I liked her a whole lot less when, as the years went by, she made her Southern drawl more pronounced and started throwing in "y'all" after every sentence. She never seemed the least bit genuine or likeable to me. I could be wrong about her; I don't know her.

    In any event, we tend to be a very tolerant society with much more important matters, like Bill Clinton, and his total oval office cluster-f&^k. He lied, apologized, and remained in office.

    This is Paula Deen, who is of little consequence. Yet, it's interesting that there is, at least figuratively speaking, a lynch mob after her (pun intended), and all those allegations haven't yet been proven. I'm not saying she deserves or doesn't deserve what she's getting -- I don't think I'm in any position to make those decisions without all the information.

    But the lynch mob mentality is indeed alive and living, and it seems a lot of folks are enjoying watching Paula Deen's downfall.

    O-
     
  24. FunnyBut

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    People are interested because it has every aspect of a good trainwreck. She's a successful business woman who has built her empire on the lowbrow image she cultivates. But now a dark side of that 'simple old southern charm' has been revealed, including some real outdated notions of prejudice and discrimination. Throw in her desperate apologies, dramatic biblical references , horrible grammar, and overdone doll-eyes, and you've got Martha Stewart , Tammy Faye Baker and Real Undereducated Housewives of Savannah in one package.

    One some level I do feel sorry for her, she and her family have worked very hard to build this business. But I can't stop watching, it's a guilty pleasure greater than butter.
     
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  25. DBZ

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    I always scratch my head when I hear people cite this mob mentality, as if Paula is somehow an unfortunate victim in all this.

    This mob mentality has been self-generated for the most part if you ask me. Truth is her PR Team has completely and utterly failed her from the get-go of this scandal. These awkward, nonsensical interviews have done nothing but exponentially fuel public speculation of her supposed racism. Granted, she may not be a hardcore racist at heart, but it's now abundantly clear to the public that she (at the very least) has a complete lack of understanding regarding race relations, prejudice and racial sensitivity as it is viewed today--and that's being very generous, if the allegations against her are proven true.

    At best, some would say that's ignorance, at worse, racism. In either case, however, it is in direct opposition to the innocuous, wholesome, sweet grandma persona Paula has cultivated and based her entire empire on.

    Let's be honest, she's not a chef. All her meals consist of three main ingredients in copious amounts: butter, sugar and fat. Hardly a creative or unique approach to cooking, and I highly doubt it requires much skill or culinary education. What she's selling, and what her sponsors have bought into, is her personality. That is her product.

    She signed contracts with people promising to uphold and maintain the integrity of her wholesome image. That image has now been compromised, so naturally businesses are terminating their relationship with her.

    This is free market capitalism, no?

    People cry lynch mob, or impeding of free speech, or whatever, but she entered into these relationships knowing full well what was expected of her. And now she's facing the consequences of her actions.

    Is it too severe? Should her entire livelihood be undermined?

    Well, if your livelihood is predicated on marketing and selling a brand that connotes a clean, wholesome image, then it's more than reasonable IMO to end a relationship with said brand if that image changes.

    And with Paula, it did.
     
  26. Jenny

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    I must be missing something because I would not have thrown Martha Stewart in that basket.
     
  27. cruisin

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    Addressing both of the above posts. I think that Deen, like Martha Stewart and Tammy Faye, is an unlikeable person to begin with. She exaggerates and takes advantage of, all of the "lowbrow" traits that unfairly represent people from the southern states. I have always thought she was a phony and never thought of her as much of a cook. Maybe, I just don't care for her style of cooking, but it is generally so unhealthy. I think that people like to see someone get their come uppance, more than watch someone respectable get destroyed. If she were a more likable, trustworthy person, and if people really thought this was an aberration in her personality, they might not be so up in arms.

    Jenny, I would absolutely throw Martha Stewart in that basket. She went to jail for tax evasion and from reports from former employees and from family members, she is a cold hearted beyotch. There are pretty reliable accounts of her stepping on people's necks to get what she wanted.
     
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  28. Jenny

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    Actually it was securities fraud - basically insider trading - and not tax evasion. I've always heard that she expects a great deal from her employees, but never that she's unfair or any of the kind of thing in the suit against Paula Deen and her brother.
     
  29. milanessa

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    Novo Nordisk (they make the diabetes drug she was a spokesperson for) and Home Depot have dropped her.
     
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    You're right, it was securities fraud. My mistake. However, I've read and heard interviews that she treated her mother horribly. And that she was horrible to employees and other family members. I forget, now, which of her family members I heard interviewed, but they said she'd sell her mother if she thought she could make a buck. And I know this is in no way factual, but she just comes across as a bitch.