Lawsuit Alleges that Paula Deen Used N-Word and Had Racist Dinner Parties

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  1. Sparks

    Sparks Well-Known Member

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    I heard Whoopie last week say something like, "As someone who has stepped in it more than once..." while speaking of redemption and Ms. Deen.
     
  2. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    That's been my point all along. And I am not bringing up others in any way to diminish what Paula Deen has done or said.
    I totally agree with your statement. Whoopi defended Michael Vick's actions as "cultural". Yet, she didn't affod the same defense to Paula Deen.

    I don't defend anyone who is racist, sexist, anti-semitic, makes disparaging remarks against helpless differently-abled children, etc.
     
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  3. dbell1

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    Her mouth, lack of remorse, and attitude, already does the work for them.
     
  4. kwanette

    kwanette Fetalized since 1998

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    The penis is mightier than the principle.
     
  5. heckles

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    Yes, and I'm agreeing with you as well as another person here who brought up Polanski in reference to Whoopi.
     
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  6. overedge

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    Agreed, but some people make mistakes and realize they have done so, and try to make amends. And then there are others who keep behaving badly because they can or because they don't care. The allegations in the lawsuit are about a pattern of bad behaviour, not just about one misspoken word on one occasion.
     
  7. OliviaPug

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    Innocent until proven guity?

    Believe me, nothing would surprise me where Paula Deen is concerned, but it's really incredible to me that nearly everyone has already found Paula Deen guilty of everything she is accused of. If Paula Deen is guilty of all of the allegations in the complaint, then I won't feel bad for her. And I really don't feel badly for her now -- I dislike her and have despised her "apologies" -- but I do see a double-standard.

    I've been on FSU a long time, and there is usually an outcry of "innocent before proven guilty" with respect to every single coach who has been accused of sexual misconduct with a student or students. I don't even know if one poster has even made such a statement re Deen in this thread. It's an interesting sociological study.

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  8. Sparks

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    Paula Deen isn't accused of an actual crime. She is named in a civil suit.
    Innocent until proven guilty is just for the courtroom and the jury.
    The public can think whatever they want.
     
  9. VIETgrlTerifa

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    Not to mention there were things she admitted in her deposition that people found appalling to begin with. Beyond using the one word. That's what started this mess in the beginning.
     
  10. orbitz

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    Whoopi is all over the place. During the Rhihana/Chris Brown incident, Whoopi said on the View that when a woman hit a man, don't be surprised that he'll hit you back. It made me go "WTH?"
     
  11. OliviaPug

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    There is a different standard of proof in a civil suit, but there is a standard nonetheless, and there IS indeed a courtroom AND a jury in a civil suit, if a plea is made for a jury trial.

    Of course the public can think whatever they want. What does that have to with anything? The public thinks whatever it wants whether it's a criminal suit or a civil suit.

    My comment was about why people seemingly have a different reaction to Paula Deen as they do others, such as my example of the coaches accused of sexual misconduct. And, let's not forget that in some of those cases of the coaches, there was both a civil suit (brought by the accuser) and a criminal suit brought by the state.

    I realize Paula Deen admitted certain things in her deposition, but that's a far cry from what's alleged in the complaint about her business practices. And, unless that case suddenly got resolved, those allegations are, as of yet, unproven.

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  12. milanessa

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    I believe you're mistaken. She's gotten support, neutrality and condemnation in this thread. I think your conclusion is faulty
     
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  13. OliviaPug

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    I've read the thread from start to finish. I wasn't commenting on how much support Paula Deen has received, though she has received very little in this thread. I'm not supporting Paula Deen. Again, that's not what my comment was referring to or about. If you read many posts, they assume Paula Deen is guilty. I don't think I've read one post that makes a statement about waiting to see what is proven in the lawsuit. Anything can be alleged in a Complaint, but it has to be proven. Yes, Paula Deen crucified herself in her deposition, but she certainly did not admit to the bulk of the misdeeds alleged in the Complaint. [Check out a thread about alleged sexual misconduct of a coach. You will see quite a contrast in the responses. Many claim that the coach should be given the benefit of the doubt. Still others put the accuser (student) on the hot seat and assume they are lying or exaggerating. I've not seen one such comment in the thread about the plaintiff in the Deen lawsuit (which is good, by the way, I don't support victimizing the alleged victim.) And I've seen no comments about waiting to see what is proven in the Deen suit before condemning Deen for all the misdeeds stated alleged in the lawsuit.]

    Bottom line, I find the contrasting responses extremely interesting and I wonder why that is the case.

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  14. OliviaPug

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    An example of assuming everything in the Complaint is true.

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  15. iloveemoticons

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    Well, personally, I find her deposition admissions alone to have changed my opinion of her and to be relevant to her business practices. She admits to have wanted a Southern plantation wedding with nicely dressed black men that reminded her of antebellum days; she said she was not concerned with her brother's admitted use of the N word at their restaurant, claiming it was just his "sense of humor" that didnt make him incapable of running a restaurant; she said she is sure her brother has told racial jokes at her restaurant...all of that seems very relevant to her business practices.
     
  16. oleada

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    She admits in her deposition, that she finds it perfectly okay for her brother to make racist and sexist jokes in the workplace, and to show porn to their employees. She states the Southern Plantation scenario in her deposition (and she admits she didn't do it because "the media wouldn't get it", not because it's incredibly racist). In her book, she finds nothing wrong with calling a burger a "Sambo Burger". There's also this charming passage:

    Paula's credibility was already shot when she shilled her high-fat, high sugar, high-carb while knowing she had diabetes and only coming out with it when she had the opportunity to make big bucks while hawking a drug company. It's no surprise she's being crucified for this (as, IMO, she should).
     
  17. Vagabond

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    Anything she has admitted in her deposition can be taken as proven.

    Other than that, I don't think there's all that much in this thread (and even less in the earlier thread, to which I linked in an earlier post in this one) where people are taking other allegations as proven. Even so, it's worth noting that much of what is alleged in the complaint is conduct that was ostensibly witnessed by many people, i.e., using or tolerating racial slurs sexual harassment, discriminatory hiring and promotion practices, etc. While Lisa Jackson does have to prove her case by a preponderance of the evidence, it does not appear that she is going to to so by using solely her own word against Paula Deen's.
     
  18. heckles

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    So, she kept her medical information private--just as 99% of the general public does. When she was offered $6 million to talk about the medication she was using, she accepted--just as 99% of the public would. Not seeing the problem with this. There's an agency that actually specializes in negotiating pharma endorsements with celebrities. Should we hate Sally Field for keeping mum on her osteoporosis until she cut a deal with Boniva?

    Heck, if some pharmaceutical company offered to pay me $6 million, I'd even make up a disease to tell America I have. Rectal prolapse? Sure.
     
  19. overedge

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    If the medication was that effective, she could have talked about it without taking the $6 million. It's not the endorsement that's the problem IMO, it's that it was a paid endorsement.

    And in Deen's situation, IMO there's also an ethical/moral issue. Her endorsement could give the impression that it's OK to eat unhealthy food like she makes, because then you can just fix all the problems that diet causes by taking drugs. The easier/cheaper way to address the problem for a lot of people would be to not eat like that.
     
  20. heckles

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    Why should she advertise Big Pharma's goods for free? Also, she did emphasize lifestyle changes in tandem with the medication, and she donated to the American Diabetes Association. If you would pass up the opportunity to receive $6 m, that's your choice, but most people would take the money.
     
  21. milanessa

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    The point is that she continued to push unhealthy foods while she had diabetes. She could have started to cut back on the sugar and butter without telling us about her medical condition. Or at least put more of an emphasis on the idea that her recipes/cooking style were not meant for everyday meals.
     
  22. heckles

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    There are many, many diabetics who, following diagnosis, don't make healthy changes immediately. Paula was one of them. This isn't a crime. Deen herself said on Oprah several years ago that she is a cook, not a nurse, and patients should see their doctors for nutritional counseling.
     
  23. milanessa

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    And she's not being charged with it. I do think her celebrity status brings with it a certain responsibility, though.
     
  24. overedge

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    Well, if she feels that strongly about where her talents/knowledge are, maybe she shouldn't be endorsing medications.
     
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  25. MacMadame

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    I'm calling bullshit on this one. Every thread on coaches who have been accused of sexual misconduct with a student has gone exactly as this one has with all sorts of reactions including vehement condemnation.

    This whole "people reacted this way" argument is a tired one. "People" aren't this single entity. It's illogical to think that I can't have one opinion on Paula Deen because a DIFFERENT person on some other thread at some other time about some other subject said something else.

    But this is a message board, not a courtroom. "Innocent until proven guilty" is a legal principle that says when you are accused of something, the court assumes your innocence and the other party (prosecutor or the one bringing the suit) has the burden of proof. That's it. It says nothing about the general media, the general public, or anyone else and how they have to react to any situation.

    It has everything to do with everything because FSU is not a courtroom but a public forum.

    Except "people" aren't having different reaction. For example, I have NEVER said "innocent until proven guilty" on any thread about coaches being arrested and I'm not saying it here. But even if I had, chances are the situations and use would be completely different.

    You are engaging in a logical fallacy.

    As are all the people on my FB feed who are posting about how Deen is being skewered for "something she did a decade ago" while this or that person is being given a pass. Or how it's "funny" how liberals are against her when she's a liberal but conservatives are for her. No, it's not hypocritical at all for people whose values include being against racism to be upset with Deen. What would be hypocritical would be if they gave her pass for it just because she was "one of theirs" (Assuming she even is a liberal -- the particular person who is 'laughing' about this supposed 'hypocrisy' is not an accurate reporter of such things.)

    You have absolutely no idea what 99% of the public would do. But based on my FB feed, I would say that 99% of them do not keep their medical information private, for starters. ;)
     
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  26. orbitz

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    My distaste for Dean regarding the diabetes drug issue was the dishonest reason she gave for finally coming forward with it. She claimed that she waited for 3 years before going public, because she wanted to wait until she had something she could give back to the public. Oh yeah, she had something to "give back to the public" alright .... a big fat endorsement deal for her with a phamaceutical company !!! Then when Dean was on TODAY and AL Roker asked her about the controversy, she arrogantly said something like, "Yes, I am compensated [by the diabete company], just like you are, Al." Uh... I don't remember Roker becoming a spokesperson for Weight Watcher after successfully slimming down with stomach elastic ban surgery. It was clear to anyone who wasn't blind that Dean was lying. If she had admitted that she was afraid of going public with it then that would have been Ok. I'm sure the FN executives were furious with her over this.


    Sallly Field isn't employed by a company that stresses the importance of being honest with your audience, and she doesn't have a job where she has cultivated personal relationship with her audience on a daily basis.
     
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  27. heckles

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    Roker is a paid shill for several industries, but you're correct that he probably won't be a spokesperson for the gastric bypass surgery he had (not "stomach elastic ban"). Considering his surgery made him crap his pants at the White House, and he continues to fart uncontrollably, it's unlikely that industry wishes to be associated with him.

    Sally Field has capitalized on the public's affection for her, and more power to her for that. Of course, she doesn't mention that, despite taking Boniva, she needs two people to haul her out of her chair, into bathrooms and up stairs. Are you offended by that omission?

    I don't recall any "honesty" mantra cited by Food Network, nor that there was anything particularly dishonest about Deen's show. She displayed a bunch of food ingredients, and informed viewers that if those ingredients were put together, they'd turn into..wait for it...stuff to eat! Yeah, that rascal really pulled one over on America.
     
  28. MacMadame

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    The difference is that Al was honest about his surgery from the start even though there was no "gastric bypass industry" to give him an endorsement, so he didn't do that for money. (And the WLS community as a whole loves Roker and is happy to be associated with him so you can take your fart jokes and pound sand.)

    Field is an actress. She had no venue to help people with osteoporosis as an actress and so had no reason to tell people she had it prior to her endorsement as telling people didn't really help them. Though there was no reason not to tell either.

    The issue with Deen is that she DID have a venue to help people with diabetes prior to her endorsement and she didn't use it. Then, when she came out and told people about it (and announced her endorsement deal), she claimed she didn't tell us earlier because she didn't have a venue. So that was a lie. That put people off since it was so clearly a lie.

    If Sally Field has gotten her diagnosis, treated her disease with weight bearing exercises but then chosen to endorse a drug pretending it was the drug that helped her, that would be a lie and people would be on her case about it too. Which is not to say that there aren't people on Field's case about using her celebrity and public goodwill to shill drugs because there are. We just aren't talking about it in this thread because this thread is about Paula Deen being a racist.
     
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    How many of you could withstand the scrutiny of your entire life history; and the standards you expect - and are imposing - here?
     
  30. VIETgrlTerifa

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    How many of us are making money selling our personalities and image?