Late Bloomer skaters?

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  1. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    I think any singles skater that did not achieve success by the early twenties could be considered a late bloomer. For pairs that age limit has to approach high twenties. I know that's quite arbitrary, so feel free to shift them if you wish.

    Here is my list of late bloomers:


    Paul Wylie (27 yrs.- Oly silver; no world medal prior to that)

    Rudy Galindo (1st US title at age 26; 96 world bronze)

    I would probably add Petr Barna to the list. Before his bronze at the 92 Olympics, his success was pretty limited

    Maria Butyrskaya- world champ at 26; not a lot of previous success, other than making the Russian world team

    Shizuka Arakawa (24 yrs.- OGM)- she is a borderline case, IMO. She won the worlds 2 years before the OGM. She is a late bloomer only when you compare her with the ladies that won the OGM before her (Sarah, Tara, Oksana)

    The Protopopovs- won their first OGM at ages 32 & 35.
  2. jlai

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    Whether she'll win a world medal or not, Czisny is a late bloomer to me.
  3. Islander

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    Joannie Rochette should definitely be considered a late bloomer as well.
  4. TheIronLady

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    So should Nancy Kerrigan.
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  6. robinhood

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    Wasn't she a Euro Champ & World medalist before her world title?? Besides she was close to medaling in 96 worlds, 98 olys too

    I like the late bloomers! Usually they tend to be more sophisticated and mature skaters than teen phenoms.:) And every skater you mention had great technique and wonderful composure

    In ice dance, Isabelle & Olivier and probably Nathalie & Fabian too in this era of prepubescent acrobatic teams:eek:
  7. falling_dance

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    Admittedly, she has only one ISU medal and her best days might be behind her, but I'd say that Akiko Suzuki is another example.
  8. Aceon6

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    It's hard to compare eras. In the "no pay if your an amateur" era, skaters were expected to go to school or get real jobs fairly young. A 20 year old lady would have been considered "old" in pre 1980 standards.
  9. A.H.Black

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    Calla Urbanski? I'm not sure I would add Rocky Marvel, but maybe.
  10. blue_idealist

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    Tatiana Malinina - At the age of 26-27 years old, she had a 'dream season' in 1998-99, winning the GPF, Four Continents, a couple of other GP medals IIRC, and coming 4th at Worlds. It was a 'dream season' compared to her previous results (I don't think she ever made the top 10 at Worlds before that).

    Shawn Sawyer - although his results only improved slightly, he really improved his skating late in his career. For ex. he landed his first perfect 3A at the age of 26. His first GP medal was also at the age of 24 IIRC.

    Faiella/Scali - first world medal in 2010 at age 29 and 30.

    Kerrs - first European medal at about the same age as Faiella and Scali. I don`t remember Sinead and John`s exact ages.
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    Caryn Kadavy. Didn't she complete at Nationals for many years without much success. A switch to Fassi did the trick
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    Jeff Buttle. :) Won his first (and only :() world title at 25.
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    Evan Lysacek, to a certain extent. Always had some success on the international stage but really peaked around 2009 & 2010.
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    I prefer late bloomers. They skate mature. They also seem to have more confidence which might come from performing for so many years.

    Czisny is my favorite late bloomer. :swoon:
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    It's always nice to see skaters have success later on in their career- even when that doesn't mean finishing in the top 10 at Worlds. I still remember Malin Hallberg-Leuf from Sweden getting consistent, non-cheated triples in her mid 20's and winning Swedish Nationals at 25.

    Anastasia Gimazetdinova had some of her best results after she turned 25, too. She :kickass: at the 2008 4CC
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  16. HeatherC

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    Amanda Evora & Mark Ladwig are definitely late bloomers. It wasn't until their 8th US National Championships that they finally made an Olympic/World team and Mark turned 30 this year. I really enjoy watching skaters/teams finally break through and find success after some struggles because you see how much it means to them when it happens. :)
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    Alissa Czisny ? She won Skate Canada in 2005 at the age of 18. I don't consider her as a late bloomer. ;)
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    If the definition of "late bloomer" means hitting her competitive peak and finally fulfilling her fullest, true potential, then AC would be one...

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    I agree.

    Also, based on her record (earlier years vs. later years) and that she came closer than Joannie to winning an OGM at about the same age,
    then Elizabeth Manley should also be considered a late bloomer, IMO.



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    And on the flip side, today's skaters in their twenties don't have to worry about being beaten by 14 and 15-year-old child stars because the kids aren't allowed to compete in senior-level international events anymore.
  21. Seerek

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    Most of the examples here refer to skaters who were top juniors, but perhaps had to wait a little longer for success in seniors.

    To me, a late bloomer is somebody who achieved considerable success competing as a senior despite limited success competing as a junior or novice. Anybody fall under this category?
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    How do you define "considerable success"?

    I think Caryn Kadavy would fit that mold, since she didn't qualify for US Nationals as a novice or junior and she did win a world medal, although she wasn't that old at the time.
  23. Sylvia

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    Jeremy Abbott never competed as a junior internationally (he turned 19 about five months after he won the 2005 US junior title).

    Joelle Forte competed at 2000 US Nationals at the Novice level and only made it back to Nationals at the age of 22 in 2009 (12th in Senior) and 2011 (9th). She competed in her first international earlier this year at Gardena Spring Trophy (4th).
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    ^ Yes! Joelle is the perfect example of a "late bloomer." She tried for many years to advance out of Eastern Sectionals but never did; now she has worked her way into the top ten ladies in the US. Fantastic achievement there.
  25. blue_idealist

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    I mentioned Tatiana Malinina.. I don't think she was a Jr. World medalist.. in fact, skimming some old jr. world results from the 80s and 90s, I don't see her at all.
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    He was a late one, but he had relatively quick success after his major international debut (2001 NHK where he won silver) at the age of 19, winning world silver at 22 and Olys bronze at 23.
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    Sokolova might have won a few GPs in 1999, but it wasn't until 2003 that she started winning World / Euro medals and Russian titles.

    With Butyrskaya and Sawyer, it isn't just about peaking competitively but also bringing in / perfecting harder elements at older age. Butyrskaya introduced the 3toe half loop 3sal after she became world champion, and the next season she introduced a 2nd 3lutz. Sawyer finally perfected the lutz in the past 2 seasons and the 3axel this season.
  28. Autumn_girl

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    Leonova is one of the late bloomers as well I guess. Even though she is a Junior Worlds champion, this girl didn't even have a double axel at the age of 14, and with the selection system in Russian sports schools it's almost a miracle she didn't quit skating. And her 3-3 became pretty consistent only now, when she is 20
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  29. just wondering

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    Very neat about Leonova. No wonder she is so happy to be out there!!!! What a success.
  30. Erin

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    I would consider Kurt Browning to be a relatively late bloomer - while he did move up quite quickly once he made it to Worlds, he never competed at junior Worlds and was 19 by the time he won his junior Canadian title. He didn't really start creating any buzz until the 1987-88 season when he was 21. Compared to the other men who stood on the podium with him -- Chris Bowman, Victor Petrenko, Gregorz Filipowski (who landed his first triple-triple at 12 or 13), Todd Eldredge, Elvis Stojko, and Alexei Urmanov -- Kurt was a late bloomer.

    I thought of Jeff Buttle when this topic came up as well...he only made it to one junior Worlds at age 18 (the last year he was age-eligible) and finished 7th. Had you asked me after that season, I would have pegged him as a skater that would hang around that 5th-7th spot at Canadians, get a couple of GP events throughout his career, and maybe make a 4CC team if he was lucky. He really broke out that next season because he finally had some success with the triple axel, but you would never have predicted the kind of senior success he had based on his junior resuls.
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    Oksana Baiul. :shuffle:
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    I know it's hard to consider Stefan Lindemann a late bloomer because he looks so young, but he was almost 24 when he won his first major championship medal. He looked so boyish and excited on that Worlds podium that I couldn't believe he's actually older than Plushenko.

    Two people I want to be late bloomers: Yannick Ponsero, come back and show us your true potential! Kiira Korpi, one clean LP in a major competition is not too much to ask!
  34. briancoogaert

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    Stephane Lambiel was 4th at Euros in 2002, at the age of 16. How can he be considered as late bloomer ?
    Same for Ponsero, even if he comes back and wins a World medal, he has already won a Silver and bronze at Junior Worlds when he was young, IIRC.
    They are inconsistent, not late bloomers.
  35. Seerek

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    Out of the past World/Olympic champions, these two probably are the best examples...

    Compare the Best World Junior result....

    Kurt Browning - never went to Junior Worlds
    Viktor Petrenko - 1st
    Alexei Urmanov - 2nd
    Elvis Stojko - 6th
    Todd Eldredge - 1st
    Ilia Kulik - 1st
    Alexei Yagudin - 1st
    Evgeni Plushenko - 1st
    Stephane Lambiel - 5th
    Brian Joubert - 15th
    Jeff Buttle - 7th
    Evan Lysacek - 2nd
    Daisuke Takahashi - 1st
    Patrick Chan - 2nd
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    Which is why Stephane Lambiel was not mentioned in that post. I don't think anyone would consider him a late bloomer.
  37. gkelly

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    So would that mean that skates like Paul Wylie or Rudy Galindo, who won Junior Worlds and then never had any notable senior (singles) success at the international level for another decade, were not late bloomers . . . just inconsistent for a really long time?
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    Dubreuil and Lauzon are my favourite late bloomers!
  39. Vash01

    Vash01 Well-Known Member

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    Galindo won the junior worlds as a pairs skater, not singles. You can't compare that with his struggles as a senior singles skater.
  40. gkelly

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    He won the 1987 junior world title in singles and the 1988 title in pairs.