ladies skaters with excellent basic skating skills

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  1. lulu

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    In pairs skating, Gordeeva & Berezhnaya have been deservedly admired for their basic skating: edging, flow, speed and mastery of the blade. Among single skaters which female skaters have/had the best basic skating skills?
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    Yuka, Carolina, and Shizuka are often mentioned on here as having the best basic skating skills among the ladies.

    I had a rank the skating skills of these ladies thread once... Can't find it right now, but someone else might able to.
  3. Dr.Siouxs

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    Yuka Sato -- watch the perfect alignment and positioning between her body and blades. Perfect control and positioning

    Carolina Kostner/Shizuka Arakawa -- magnificent edge quality and power in their stroking

    Others: Kiira Korpi, Laura Lepisto, Kimmie Meissner, Mao Asada, Yu-Na Kim, Yukari Nakano, Michelle Kwan, Angela Nikodinov
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    :respec: Exactly. Dorothy Hamill too.
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    Growing up doing figures makes a big difference.
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    I enjoy this post. I always thought Rochette had good basic skills too. Oh and Susanna Poykio.
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    Obviously Sotnikova who scored higher than Kostner in SS in Sochi. :rolleyes:
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  10. MrLucky

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    Thanks for bringing up Adelina. Yes, she has great skating skills. Her steps were intricate and fast and showed good control with flowing edges.

    Try to remember the following bullets:

    * Whenever a Lady skater lands 7 triples all of her components rise.

    *If she does it on home ice they rise again.

    *If all of this happens on Olympic ice they receive yet another boost.

    So yes, Adelina should have received higher marks than Carolina as she checked off these three key requirements while Carolina only checked off two of them.

    The COP makes this so much easier to understand than 6.0 ever did. :)
  11. briancoogaert

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    Of course, and the fact that she often starts with flat to go to an edge, and rarely puts her foot on the edge is a sign of very good skating skills. Well...

    Anyway, this is not the debate, Adelina is far from being a ladies skaters with EXCELLENT basic skating skills. :p

    I agree with those already mentioned. My favorite is Yuka Sato. :)
  12. MrLucky

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    Where does Adelina's speed come from? Off her flat edges ?
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    :rolleyes:

    On her steps in particular there was a clear lack of speed and flow. In comparison to most top skaters, she 'walked through' her step sequences.

    And her edges all around are a bit flat.

    Cross-overs, progressives and toe-pushing.
  14. my little pony

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    i generally agree with this, then i remind myself surya bonaly grew up doing school figures
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    She grew up having to figures in competition but not actually doing them. Her mother was her coach and she:
    - didn't know anything about figure skating
    - didn't care about figures
  16. my little pony

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    if she competed them, what did she do during that segment?
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    I remember Surya competing at 1990 world jr when there was still compulsory figure. Of course, Yuka won the compulsory figure.. Surya placed 12th in compulsory figure. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caaJWLvyB_s
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    For current skaters, I'd like to give a nod to Polina Edmunds. Watch her feet - she always steps on a clean and correct edge and moves wonderfully from step to step.
  20. smarts1

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    Are her skating skills really that good? Her stroking seems so choppy to me. If anything, I think Ashley Cain has some of the best edges right now.
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    I didn't think she ever showed up to competitions early. ;)

    Do you think that was related to the demise of figures?
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    :lol:

    And don't forget--she also checked off "Skated in the Final Flight." The only one she didn't check off was "Big Reputation."

    Preprogrammed Component Scores. Gotta love 'em. ;)
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    Her hair. :D
  24. Dr.Siouxs

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    Edges and flow have a very different context in freeskating so I would not say that training compulsory figures necessarily equates to great skating skills.
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    Here are videos of two of the very best skaters at compulsories doing free skates as cases in point:

    Beatrix Schuba
    Isabel de Navarre

    OT, but I am shocked to be reminded that the same rink was used at the 1976 Winter Olympics for both ice hockey and figure skating. :eek:
  26. Katarzyna

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    Of course, Adelina’s SS are the worst ever and there will never be anybody worse. She for sure is the new Surya Bonaly of Figure skating. :EVILLE: You know, if you’d gain more speed by toe pushing than by proper pushing with the blade, probably everybody else would do it as well. ;) Do you guys get some free beer or anything similar for bringing in Adelina in almost every thread even if it’s off topic? :rolleyes:

    Talking about Russian Ladies I`d like to give an honourable mention to Irina Slutskaya, loved her one foot flowing SS in her 2002 SP. :irina1:
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    Maybe in as much as the competition began being perceived as a jumping contest.
  28. Vagabond

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    Take a look at those videos of Beatrix Schuba and Isabel de Navarre that I posted earlier. There is very little to their free skates (especially IdN's) except for jumping passes.
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    Schuba program is more like an imprisonedskate in the middle 2/3 of the ice.

    I actually like IdN's spins and jumps when she was not falling all over herself.
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    Amelie Lacoste has very soft knees and gathers speed with very little effort. Overall, I think the Finnish women have amazing skating skills. Poykio, Kettunen, and Lepisto have/had edges like buttah.
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    Vanessa Riley at her best!

    I agree that Amelie Lacoste has great skating skills, just bad toe jump technique. Cynthia Phaneuf was also underrated in this area too.

    I found Korpi and Lepisto to have good edges and speed, but something about their posture bothered me -- too rigid. That gave their stroking a bit of a stalky quality.

    They too suffered from iffy jump technique that really held them back.

    I think Mao is well-rounded in her skating skills. Great knees.
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    One must wonder then:

    a) If Gaby Seyfert had remained eligible through to the 1972 Olympics, maybe Trixie Schuba might had made a better effort in her free-skating to ensure she win overall.

    a) Were Trixie Schuba's placements and scores in free-skating (usually 6th to 9th) correct relative to the other skaters?
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    She was inconsistent but Nicole Bobek had great basic skating skills. I still remember her spirals.
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    Czisny, Edmunds, Lepisto, Korpi, Kostner, Janet Lynn and Dorothy Hamill have my favorite edges in ladies skating.
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    I don't like her glide technique. Her knees go up and down too fast and she doesn't enter into the ice with strong bended knee.
    But of course, she has a wonderful flow.
  37. floskate

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    Yes and yes. She had a double axel but never used it in competition. Gaby staying in might have forced her to put it in. Her free skating placements were about right. It depended on how the rest of the field skated but she normally had solid doubles up to the lutz. She always struggled badly with the loop for some reason. You can see it in the video, what an effort it is. She popped the loop in Sapporo incidentally. I'd say of those competing with her, Lynn, Magnussen, Holmes, Almassy and Morgenstern would almost always be guaranteed to be ranked ahead in free skating. With others it depended on how they did. Clean double axels were still quite rare throughout the whole field in the early 1970's and a lot of girls did them but cheated them badly which is why Schuba's lack of a double axel on competitive ice didn't hurt her as much as it might have done. That and Gaby's retirement obviously ;)
  38. Vagabond

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    Just as her contemporary Janet Lynn was taking free skating into new territory, Schuba was laying down compulsory figures such as had never been seen before. I think Schuba would have easily surpassed Seyfert even if the latter had kept skating.

    Pretty much. Schuba could do all the jumps up to and including the double axel.
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    Gotta agree with this. The ease with which she generates power across the ice reminds me so much of Kostner. Her circular step sequence in the FS is a great demonstration of what steps and turns should be like - done with absolute ease and flowing edges that seem like they will never end..
  40. lulu

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    That's a really important point, I'm thinking in particular of Janet Lynn who has been praised on this thread and by her fellow skaters for her edges, but she 'struggled' with her school figures ('struggled' might be too exaggerated of a term, she placed 4th at the Olympics in school figures, but she also had the misfortune of competing against arguably the greatest 'compulsory figure' skater of all time-Trixi Schuba.) But anyway, clearly her free skating ability surpassed her talents in the compulsories.