Kwan on Kim for Time 2010 Most Influential

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  1. shallwedansu

    shallwedansu New Member

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    I realize there is a thread on this in the Trash Can, but I thought since Yu-Na has officially made the list and there is an accompanying piece from Michelle, it would make for a new topic. My bad if it was a bad decision. :eek:

    Full List

    Heroes: Kim Yu-Na
    By Michelle Kwan:
    Under the Influence (Time)
    There's also a 100 least influential list if you're interested. :shuffle:
  2. barbk

    barbk Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for posting this. Kwan has some very nice phrasing.
  3. Garden Kitty

    Garden Kitty Tranquillo

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    What a gracious quote from Michelle. And she accurately touches on the impact that Yu Na can have on the young skaters watching her
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  4. cem

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    Kwan=class
  5. skatingfan5

    skatingfan5 Well-Known Member

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    Agree with both of you.

    However, while Michelle herself can truthfully say of Yu Na "I have never seen a skater with such a combination of artistry and athleticism" this Kwan fan would have to tell her "that's because you never saw your own unique combination of artistry and athleticism". Even if she had been able to sit in the stands and see herself at 1998 World Pros, 2000, 2001 Worlds or 1998, 2003, or 2004 Nationals to name a few, she would likely downplay how wonderful her skating really was.
  6. attyfan

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    Very nice.
  7. tarotx

    tarotx Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps we can separate the Kwan quote and the fact that Yu Na made the influential list into two separate threads? :p

    Congrats Yu Na :)
    Super cool that they got Yu Na's Idol, the sublime Michelle, to write her paragraph!
  8. orbitz

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    To say that Kim's performances at Vacouver "changed the face of figure skating forever" is a little bit OTT. How did those performances changed figure skating?
  9. RunnersHigh

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    ITA.
    You know? For Yu-Na, Kwan has been the most influential since at age 7 and will be for a while or forever. And her sweet congratulatory message to Yu-Na... I'm sure that's why People(including me) call her "Kwan the Kween". :swoon:
  10. rfisher

    rfisher Satisfied skating fan

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    Because it was a nice thing for MK to say and a nice thing to be in print. Sometimes a statement is just nice and not a critique.
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    wRECkSk8r New Member

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    Whether the comment about the Olympic performances was over the top or not ~ after reading through the Weir vs. Lysacek thread, it was very refreshing to read one legend lifting up and honoring a legend-in-the-making. :shuffle:

    Love her or hate her, Michelle has always conducted herself in a classy, mature manner and this article brings that to light.

    Michelle Kwan + Yu Na Kim = class.
  12. shallwedansu

    shallwedansu New Member

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    One for the Kwan ubers and one for the Yuna ubers? :lol:

    :respec: Like you said, it's very refreshing to read uplifting comments among skaters after all the Evan and Johnny :argue: this week.
  13. RunnersHigh

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    BTW, is Yu-Na the first figure skater in the list?

    I found that the list was first published in 1999 but couldn't find other figure skaters in the list.
    Correct me if I'm wrong. ;)


    Some info from the wikipedia.
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    Not meant to be critical at all. However, if I may, Kween's remark could be more than a praise for an occasion. Champions are role-models in a sense that kids learn from them -- be it about technique, style, etc. They influence the figure skaters of next generation. If Yuna embodies certain qualities, those qualities will be emulated by the young skaters, and her accomplishment at the biggest stage does amplify the influence.

    Of course, it is not really about the color of the medal but about performance as it was Michelle Yuna tried to emulate -- you still see a good deal of Michelle in Yuna's skating. Yuna's performance might have inspired a few as Michelle's did Yuna.
  16. Robeye

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    While "forever" may be a bit of a stretch, I'll put my Nostradamus cap on and predict that in ten years time (and perhaps as early as the next couple of seasons), the Kween's words will be vindicated. Just as Michelle was hugely influential for so many of the skaters that came after her, Yuna, whether she continues eligibility or not, is IMO going to be the prototype for those who eventually emerge as top-level skaters, whether they be Korean, Russian, Chinese, North American, European, or perhaps even Japanese.

    The prototypical characteristics will include:
    -body type. Long-limbed and wide shouldered but slim, and great lower body strength (although it has been said that Yuna's proportions are a kind of freak of nature for women that aren't fashion models, I could definitely envision, say, a Russian skater along these lines over the next few years).

    -physical explosiveness. The body type mentioned above lends itself to generating speed and height (think Usain Bolt or a great NFL wideout like Randy Moss), resulting in ice coverage and +GOE jumps.

    -authoritative jumps. The focus on GOE will become widespread. Not only great height and coverage, but also complex transitions, correct edges, confident landings, and great speed and flow in and out. If all this sounds familiar, it's because Yuna is the skater in whom the ideal that CoP had been groping for first came to mature fruition.

    -musicality and expressiveness. IMO, this aspect has become one of Yuna's greatest strengths under Orser/Wilson. If you've ever seen her dance, you can see that her sense of rhythm and pace on ice is no accident (I would love to see her on DWTS at some point; I think she'd blow the field away, including Nicole :p). And the way she uses her arms, head, body as instruments of expressiveness has been rightly praised by Sonia Bianchetti as superlative. This combination of musicality and expressiveness, so hard to describe but immediately recognizable as a Yuna signature, is in my view going to be just as influential as her jumps.

    Of course, I believe in the truism that no skater is perfect. Toe-point fetishism notwithstanding :shuffle: (is the smilie here showing the correct technique, I wonder?), I agree with the many who say that she could improve her stretch and line. But if I had to, ah, point to one ladies skater as the probable model for the next generation of elite skaters, I'm betting it will be Yuna.
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  17. Robeye

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    Apologies, key65man. You beat me to the punch. Guess your post went up while I was writing mine. :lol:
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    Actually, my compliment to you for making a great point. Thoroughly enjoyed it. :)
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    Yazmeen Well-Known Member

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    Nicely put, both of you!
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    Figure skating is just like any other art forms; music, painting,... in a sense that one generation's greats inspire and influence those in the next generation. Soon-to-be stars - Murakami, Gao, Nagasu, Kwak, and more - either they said they want to be like Yuna or we already see a little bit of her in their performances.
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  21. Simone411

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    Congratulations to Yuna and hats off to the Kween. Job well done, Michelle. :respec:
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    ITA! :respec: Again, congratulations to Yuna!

    Plus, Kwan = class!

    Is it the first time for a skater to be included in 'Time 100 Most Influential' list?
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    Wow, congratulations!! Yuna :cheer:

    Kwan is so nice :saint:
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    Well, since the end of figures, we haven't had too many OGM ladies winners who won both the SP & the LP at the Olympics with outstanding technical performances:

    1992 - Kristi - won with a fall
    1994 - Baiul -- I defy anyone to call her technical performance outstanding
    1998 - Tara - didn't win the SP
    2002 - Sarah - didn't win the SP and actually rather bombed it
    2006 - Shizuka -- did not deliver an outstanding LP technical performance
    2010 - Kim -- by my count the first woman to win both SP & LP with really outstanding tech performances.
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  26. French Quarter

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    Ask Kwan. I'm sure she knows about figure skating better than you do.
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  27. Rock2

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    While I believe the feelings and thoughts reflected in the quote are sincere, I'd bet 25 bucks that the quote was written or highly edited by someone other than MK. She's a smart and I'm sure deep-thinking woman, but there is nothing I've ever heard her say that leads me to believe she can be that eloquent without a lot of help.
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    As a MK fan I take offense.
  29. skatesindreams

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    Why must some here find reason to belittle/doubt whatever Ms. Kwan does?
    I'm sure that someone who is working on a Master's degree can write a cogent statement in honor of another person!
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    Feel sour? eh?
  31. barbk

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    Any number of people are more eloquent in writing than they are orally.
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    For real. I am one of them. When I'm speaking or just talking, I have a tendency to never know what to say, or when I do, it just comes out wrong. When I'm writing I have much more time and freedom to carefully construct what I am trying to say. I consider myself to be a good writer.

    Michelle is a grad student at a great school. I certainly would hope most grad students, especially in her field, can write well. Besides, what MK wrote wasn't exactly jaw-dropping, amazing writing. It was coherent, congratulatory and well executed. If she needed "a lot of help" with writing a couple paragraphs about how great Yu-Na Kim's skating is, I'd hate to see her write a 10 page report about Sino-Australian relations. :shuffle:
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  34. iarispiralllyof

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    You have got to be kidding me. First of all Michelle may have come off as awkward throughout her figure skating reign because she was usually (mostly) part time student - part time olympic level athlete, she didn't have as much time to interact socially as others did. Yet she still kept up her grades and attended UCLA for one year. So while she might have come off as awkward in some interviews, it doesn't mean she doesn't have the capacity to be eloquent.

    Secondly, as others have said writing and speaking publically are extremely different things.

    Thirdly, the passage in question isn't even that complicated - it's heaps of praise in a sport that Kwan knows well. You must think incredibly lowly of her to think she can't come up with something like that on her own. In fact, although she makes specific references to Yuna's achievements, her words of praise don't sound entirely different to the praise given to michelle during her reign or other top-level skaters. It's almost cliched. Whoa - "changed the face of the sport", "such a combination of athleticism and artistry"!!! omg those words have never been uttered before O_O

    What's more, when Kwan eventually left the sport in 2006, she finally had time to focus full time on her studies and get her BA. And then she was accepted into a graduate program at Tufts, which is not some easy smeazy university. Graduate programs are NOT a joke, regardless of whether or not she's a famous athlete.

    She would've easily matured and developed her skills academically throughout these past few years since she's no longer had to deal with the immense stress of staying on top of a sport long past her teens and her getting into a grad program shows her seriousness when it comes to education.

    Sorry for overreacting, but seriously!
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  35. icedance21

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    What a nasty little comment.
  36. Mathman

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    You could look at it this way. Yu-na Kim's face is the "new face of figure skating," replacing the "former face of figure skating," Michelle's. :)
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  37. euneri

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    maybe because now people can put a face to the new era of figure skating

    eta: lol, i just realised i pretty much repeated what mathman said above
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  38. RunnersHigh

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    Then you might spill the money.
  39. OliviaPug

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    Congratulations to Yuna. What a nice honor for her. And what a nice quote from Kwan.

    I have heard Kwan speak recently, and she has become quite an eloquent public speaker. She has a warm, engaging presence, and (now) a commanding delivery. I have no doubt she is capable of writing something of this nature.

    [With all that can be said about Kim's honor and Michelle's recognition of it, commenting on Kwan's writing ability has to be the most irrelevent, mean-spirited, and ridiculous post in this thread.]

    O-
  40. jaws12345

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    Maobots swarming in again... it's gotta be maobots, judging from the familiar style of bashing; totally irrelevant, tedious, inflammatory, and persistent. And what do you know, checking their previous posts confirms just that. Are they seriously bashing Kwan's writing skill now, because she praised Yuna? Unbelievable. Just how low can they get? Leave Michelle and Yuna alone, and go eat your rubbish in Trash can or Youtube where you belong. This is a cheer thread for Yuna and Michelle, their class and their respect for each other.
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