Kurt Browning, Evgeni Plushenko on similar paths

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  1. spikydurian

    spikydurian New Member

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    Kurt Browning, Evgeni Plushenko on similar paths - http://www.cbc.ca/sports/figureskat...owning-evgeni-plushenko-on-similar-paths.html

    Kurt ‘s hat off to Plushenko for his comeback and wondered how Weir and Evans will fare in their return to competition too.

    Kurt talked about why he respects the current skaters despite not loving the current system.
  2. aftershocks

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    Very articulate and honest as always with a touch of humor. Kurt Browning, a classy talented guy who's contributed so much to skating. :)
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    Great commentary from Kurt Browning, both about his own experience and about other skaters. It's not spelled out, but I wonder if dealing with the IJS as a skater has given him a new perspective about how challenging it's been for skaters who didn't grow up with the system and had to adjust to it (with varying degrees of success).

    I'm really hoping that we'll see Kurt in other events (hey, if Midori Ito could go to Adult Worlds... :))
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    Way to cover up for the shade he threw at Plushenko on Twitter :)
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    Does ICE competition that Scott Hamilton was promoting have no news yet on its development? It sounded really cool and grand, and more so than MWO now that we've seen it.
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    Per the ICE website, the competition will debut in the Spring of 2013.

    http://www.icechampionship.com/
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    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    I just look back with regret to the days when every Ladies skater had a perfect, simple layback with a fully turned out, waist-high attitude position and a back parallel to the ice, and every Men's skater had a simple, low sit-change-sit spin with lovely posture and a simple camel spin with stretch and toe-point, all centered and with speed, and ballerina-flexible Ladies never did a spiral with a catch foot or any hand assist, because they were all so musical...
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    Thanks! I should bookmark this address:D
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    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

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    As do I. I was watching my Salt Lake Skating DVD that NBC put out (and I found in a bargain bin for .99 cents) on my laptop and, in turn, in HD since I have my DVD Player set for that the other day and to look at the gorgeous spins on that DVD... Especially Sarah Hughes' layback spin.

    Sigh... :(

    Another thing I miss that was obvious when watching that DVD? Moves and steps that actually went to the music and were creative to what the music called for instead of what CoP calls for. No wonder so many are wondering what's wrong w/skating these days.

    And before it starts...It's an Artistic Sport, a mesh of the two.

    Or at least it used to be. :(

    Not sure if I'll be able to access that or not, as ever since the CBC redid their website, it's not friendly to those of us on Dial Up anymore. Makes trying to check up on things over there rather frustrating.
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    alilou Crazy Stalker Lady

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    Although we all want to see those things kwanfan1818 wrote about, and see them from some skaters no matter what the system, I suspect she was being just a tad sarcastic ;)
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    For those of us who are twitless, do tell of this shade thrown at Plushy!
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    Here's Kurt's tweet:

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    Which he followed with this:

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    Kurt is right. :shuffle:
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    Actually it was more like this:
    There was an emoticon of thumb-up at the end of the tweet, but it was only visible on iPhone.


    I do not think Kurt threw any shade, but some people just saw their own.
  19. aftershocks

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    ^^ :lol: Thanks for the explanations! Kurt really is a good guy, fair and openminded, says what he thinks, plus he's got a great sense of humor. :)
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    I think the thing that people were angry about was the fact that Kurt said that Buttle had amazing jumps and artistry and Plushenko only had amazing jumps.
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    You are the perfect example of why were so angry Plushy's fans. That's totally untrue and malicious. :mad:
    :plush: :plush: :plush:
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    Poor Kurt! I wouldn't have read anything negative in his tweet regarding Plushenko. In fact, I would assumed he meant Plushenko's jumps were as great as Buttle's artistry. Kurt, never never tweet the P word again.;)
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    All that I see that is malicious is your emoticon at th end of the sentence. As for Browning - where do you see something "malicious" in his tweet that praised Plushenko's jumps :rolleyes:?
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    I reacted to Lanie post. And I believe you understand. Or ...don't you know the whole story?
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  25. VarBar

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    But Kurt IS right to praise Plushenko for his jumps. Plushenko has been at the top of the sport since he was 16 or 17, he has gone through injury, he has gone through surgery and still hasn't lost his jumping abilities, which is amazing. If Kurt likes Buttle's artistry better than Plushenko's, I'd argue Kurt is entitled to his own preferences just like everybody else.

    I wonder how many Plushenko fans were indignant when Plushenko told reporters after Vancouver that he found Lysacek to be an average skater and how many replied it was a malicious comment on the part of Evgeni.
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    Come on, Plushenko never said that Lysacek is an average skater. He has issues with the judging system, not with Lysacek.
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    Yes.
    "He's a great jumper," Plushenko said, referring to Lysacek. "He can do triple lutzes, triple flip, yes. And he's a very good skater, like artistic."
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    Where did the word "only" come from? It's your word, not Kurt's. So, perhaps that is what *you* think, hope, or fear, I guess?

    As much as I hate overflowing bad mouth on FSU towards Plushenko, I do not think being paranoid and jumping on someone randomly would help.
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    Wow! Plush never said this.
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    Yes, Plushy's crossovers are so artistique. :saint:
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  31. skatesindreams

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    lala, why are you so upset?

    Kurt Browning is entitled to his opinion.
    You are entitled to yours.
  32. Macassar88

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    If he had meant that, he could have said something like Buttle and Plushenko both showed how to combine amazing jumps with amazing artistry.

    I'm not a plushy Uber BTW, I'm just saying how it could have sounded to people reading the tweet.
  33. aftershocks

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    Well, Plushenko sure didn't act "sportsmanlike" and congratulatory toward Evan on the podium. Plush's behavior in 2010 upon winning Olympic silver and missing out on gold was something you'd never have seen from skaters like Kurt Browning.

    Obviously no rehash needed, but at 2010 Olympics, Plush definitely questioned Lysacek's and other male skaters' manhood for not doing quads. That's one reason why quads are just "soooo necessary" these days.

    Plush could have been an artistic God but earlier in his career (especially since Mishin has always been more focused on jumps, in a similar way to Coach Z in the U.S.) Plush failed to fully develop the artistic side of his skating. Belatedly he's trying to now, because of what Weir, Lambiel, Buttle, Dai, Chan, Abbott, and a budding Hanyu have brought to the sport.

    Once Yags retired, Plush got lazy in the artistic expression department, IMHO. He was winning all the time (and certainly was not being challenged artistically by skaters like Goebel and Joubert), so he relied on his jumps, his charm, and his footwork.

    ETA:

    Macassar88
    There's no reason in the world that Kurt would have even thought of "dissing" another skater in the way you still seem to be saying he must have "meant." Clearly, in his follow-up tweet, Kurt was both bemused and apologetic to Plush fans who mistook his meaning. And, as another poster here already pointed out, Kurt had inserted a thumbs-up in his original tweet after his reference to Plushenko's jumping (which was not visible to all, depending upon how the tweet was accessed).

    In any case, Kurt was praising what Buttle brought to that competition, just like a lot of fans have been doing here on FSU, as well Kurt was praising Plush's jumps, again just like a lot of fans have done on FSU.
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    Oh, this age old "once Yags retired" argument. Repeating it won't make it more true. Funny that Plushy's more famous programs like Nijunsky all came along when Yags retired. And from the several shows that I attended in the past two years, the audience IS treating Plushy as an artistic God. They were not screaming and clapping their heads off for Quads, which Plushy did not perform during shows. They were clapping for great skating speed, connection with the audience, command of ice, the projection of emotions, and the excitement you get from his skating. That was why show organizers always serve him out as the main dish.

    We can argue with words here on messaging board until faces are turning blue, in the real world, people voice their opinions with their money and their feet. Jumping Bean or Artistic God, he is the one and the only Plushenko.
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  35. VarBar

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    EP: I believe that Lysacek is good but an average athlete. He is not unique....Unique athletes are Chan, Yagudin, Urmanov, Petrenko, Browning, Boitano. But Lysacek ... I think he won because of the judges.

    http://www.aif.ru/culture/article/46790
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    I agree with him. He said what is his opinion, he was brave, and he had army of supporters.
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    Plunshenko has always been an artistic god in his exhibition and show programs, showing remarkable versatility. That's what has made it so frustrating when his competitive programs have been empty, the same thing that makes it frustrating to watch potentially great programs become watered down to unrecognizable over the course of a season.
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  38. midori

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    You cannot praise one thing of someone without praising every other thing as well? That is just ridiculous.

    Plushenko has other great qualities like personalities. How about not putting it in the sentence as well? Does it mean someone's dissing his personalities when the poster praised his jumps without mentioning his great personalities??

    You're the one who posted about "the shade" and showed how to mis-interpret the original tweet. I thought those are your opinion.
  39. lala

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    Plushenko received his first perfect 6.0 mark when he was 16, the youngest ever for a man, and by the time the old system was mothballed after the 2003-04 season, Plushenko had amassed 75 perfect 6.0s, including the last four given out to a male competitor at the Worlds (2004, for free skating presentation).
    And if you were intrested in FS before SLC you can remeber, Plush beat Yagudin more than once, look at this, i think it's very unequivocal.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byMr...VwyinmFDs286ioww&index=115&feature=plpp_video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbjJufbHXpE&list=FLiq7gYWVwyinmFDs286ioww&index=49&feature=plpp_video with ABC comentar, Plushy charmed them,no doubt.

    ISN'T HE ARTISTRY????? Or his Moonlight Sonata, Adagio, Tango and Flamenco, Bolero, Gipsy dance, ETC.?
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  40. skatesindreams

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    Don't expect everyone to agree.
    It's not "disrespectful" to disagree; no matter who offers their opinion.

    This!