Kostner considering quitting?

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  1. alij

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  2. Sylvia

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    This is also being discussed in the Kostner thread in the Trash Can: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3613795#post3613795
  3. arakwafan2006

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    To read her use words like sacrifice to describe her choice to skate and not live a normal life hits me in my core. She has done so much, and has so much more to do that i would not blame her for going out on an extremely high note. I wish her the best and would understand whatever decision she makes. This past year she dominated the circuit like Kim did.

    Good luck Kostner.
  4. kirkbiggestfan

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    She finished 9th and 16th at the Olympics...you would think that it would motivate her to finish on a high note in Sochi.
  5. Ziggy

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    With all the young skater coming up and now Kim announcing her return too, I think that she must realise that it wouldn't be easy for her to medal.
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    This is sad news. It feels sort of an end of an era especially from a European perspective. :(
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    It reminds me of Jeff Buttle. People couldn't understand why he would retire with the next Olympics in Canada but he didn't have the motivation anymore to put all the time in training. It sounds similar to Carolina and in a way they are similar skaters. I think she┬┤ll be very happy in the next stage of her life/career just as Buttle seems extremely happy with his. I think she is making a wise decision (a little premature but why bring it up if you aren't seriously about to retire).
  8. Marta24

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    I am a Carolina Kostner uber since I first saw her at the 2003 European Championships. I think if she decides to retire I would be very sad, but after all the highs and lows of her career I could understand it.
  9. caseyedwards

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    She could wait until after the Sochi Olympics but if she is in a place where retiring after winning worlds is fulfilling for her than more power to her! Like Sarah Meier won Euros and than didn't go to worlds. I think that was before worlds was even delayed. It just wasn't part of the picture.
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    I am thinking the word is likely a translation issue- but I don't think she could be considered to be "quitting" at this point. Retiring, maybe.

    If she chooses to not compete any longer, I won't consider her to be a quitter for not making it to through the Olympic cycle. She has achieved fantastic things. I think it is fine to go out on a high note.
  11. alij

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    Must admit I hadn't even taken quitting in this context to mean anything other than leaving the competitive scene on a high note, more than many she has proven throughout her career that she is anything but a quitter.
  12. Ziggy

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    Yeah, she's competed for so many years now. Given how successful her last season was, it's the perfect moment to finish her competitive career.
  13. kwanatic

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    I agree with the whole "go out on a high note" thing. Carolina's win at worlds was refreshing. It was great to see solid jumps and superb presentation beat out a display of jumps and nothing else.

    However, with the younger crop of skaters entering the field and stronger competitors returning (Miki, Yu-Na) it might be good for Carolina to make her exit now. I think if she continues to compete she would still be a medal threat; based on her PCS alone, she's a medal threat. But I doubt very much that this year's worlds will be anything like last year's. The technical content will be high and high risk, and in order for Carolina to compete, she'd have to reintroduce her lutz and flip back into her arsenal. Didn't she forego surgery on her knee b/c of those two jumps? Maybe she's weighing whether or not it's worth it at this point.

    I can't see her winning in Soichi...top 5 probably. If she does decide to hang up her skates, she couldn't have picked a better time in her career to do it. I've gained a real appreciation for her skating these last two years so I'd be sad to see her go. But to go out on top...there's no beating that.
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    I hope not. Kostner and Suzuki are the reason I even watch the ladies. Now it's going to be dominated by teeny boppers that I cannot relate to and simply do not care for. Sigh....... Oh and what's worse, the Queen and her ubers are coming back.
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  15. olympic

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    ^I agree.

    She is an Italian national champ, multi-European Champ, and now a World Champ. She has been a top Senior competitor since 2003 (I remember her Bambi-like in DC at '03 Worlds in the final group of ladies). So, if she wants to retire on a high note after all that, all power to her.

    She probably knows that an Olympic medal in '14 will involve 3-3's and a 3z, and may be her body is telling her that it won't take too much more punishing work-outs, stressful competitions, long seasons, etc ...
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    She's got to be towards the top of anyone's list for shows. If she stops competing, I'm sure she can call her own shots.
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    No translation issues here. Many italians articles mentioned she's considering "leaving" the sport (lasciare, in italian) which is the most inappropriate word. They just don't realize that while she's young enough for the real life, she's not for skating. They simply don't know the sport, the discipline of woman's single skating, the history of the sport and the young competitors behind her. So she's not really "leaving" or quitting anything but competitive skating. She's definetely staying in the sport somehow, you can tell by watching the pure joy she was expressing in her skating this season.
    Retiring is the right word both in english or italian. And after all, I'd be happy for her if she retires now. Still, there is some remaining desire for a perfect skate at the Olympics, but maybe as she already had 2 shots it wasn't just meant to be, and it's two years, it's a very long road to Sochi.
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    Nooooo!!! I was so excited to see her skate at TEB!
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    Ashley and Suzuki skated wonderfully actually.
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    I think Leonova was the target there. Kostner beat her by 5.
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    this. !
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    Yes, I was referring to Kostner beating Leonova for gold. I honestly thought Akiko should have been 2nd and Ashley a very narrow 3rd. Alena's energy is great and most of her jumps were good, but the rest of her skating is a freakin' joke. The other three ladies had well choreographed balanced programs. Alena had nothing even close to that.

    To see the judges reward that SP a top score made me wanna puke; all she did was jump and wiggle her hips with her mouth wide open...I might have quit watching skating if Alena ended up the world champion.:scream:

    From reading that IN article it almost sounds like Miki is being roped into competing...

    That doesn't sound like someone who is committed to returning to competition for the right reasons...:confused:
  25. love_skate2011

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    :rofl:
    I feel the same with Yuna's comeback,
    they need some sort of new driving force !!
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    Just to clarify, I agree with you Leonova's programs are empty in between jumps, but I don't think her basic skating quality is to blame. I saw her live a couple of times now and she has good edges and power. It's too bad Morozov has her skating around on two feet while slashing throats or looking angsty since I think she could handle some challenging choreography -and do it justice.
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    And that's all I'm saying. She has nice jumps, good speed and great energy...but her packaging is nothing short of a travesty. Awarding that kind of "choreography" and "interpretation" is going to run this sport right into the ground. That's why I was so appreciative of Carolina winning with two well done programs and also why I felt Akiko and Ashley should have placed higher.

    Alena seems like a sweet girl and she's definitely talented, but her skating reminds me a lot of Irina Slutskaya. I respected the hell outta Irina for being a tough competitor, her longevity and her love of the sport...but her skating always left me feeling queasy too. I guess it's a matter of preference. I like the speed and power and all of that, but I prefer that ladies don't look like clunky unrefined tanks when they skate. That's just me though...:shuffle:
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    Well it's a long road to Sochi and lets face it Miki and Carolina have both gone to two Olympics and haven't won a medal and maybe they don't feel like doing all the work that's needed to compete again. They are both not getting any younger either. As for Kim she has the Gold medal she doesn't have anything else to shoot for now. That's why i like with every new Olympics you have new skaters with their own stories to tell not just a rehash of old stories and old skaters. It's time for the new kids to shine. I think they are ready.
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    But the whole point of going to Sochi for Carolina and Miki would be *not* to rehash their previous Olympics, but actually skate well (in Kostner's case) or with some emotion (for Ando). Whether or not you'd be interested in seeing that is up to you...I for one would be :watch:
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    Just to add one important factor into the discussion...

    Don't forget that one really wonky bad knee Carolina's got. I remember some complaining that while she landed her jumps at Worlds, where was the lutz? IIRC she decided not to do it because of the stress it put on her already badly damaged knee.

    Considering she would be going on out on a high, as winning Worlds isn't exactly something to sneeze at, the knee and w/Kim and Ando both coming back w/perhaps Joannie as well, it sounds to me Carolina's making the choice of what's the right thing to do for her. She's been around for a very long time now and the sacrifices she's had to make to reach the top spot of the podium in March...Not even all of us know all of the choices she's had to make over the years.

    As a long time Carolina fan, I was so beyond thrilled for her finally adding that World Title to her achievements this Spring. I hope that whatever she does decide to do, it's what makes her happy and that Carolina's also at peace w/her choice. If she does decide to stop competiting however, I'd miss seeing her out there.
  31. PeterG

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    I also would like to see Kostner outdo her gold medal-winning performance. :p
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    I fell in love with Carolina's skating during the last two seasons. She became my favorite woman skater and the personification of what I love in the sport. Musicality, originality, skating skills, style and perseverance. If she decides to quit, I'll miss her a lot, but I'll also understand; last year she achieved pretty much everything. I LOVE reading how many plans and desires she has for her life after skating. Theatre and opera, teaching- that's so great.
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    I got a question then. If a skater signs a contract with ISU regarding the participation of GP, couldn't he/she just withdraw later in case something comes up? I've seen many before but I think I might have heard somewhere that starting this season the rule has changed to lock skaters in GP circuit.
  34. Eislauffan

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    In an interview for the current issue of International Figure Skating Carolina also said that she is taking time to make a decision. She kept her options open by getting assigned for the Grand Prix. She also said she kind of hopes to find the motivation in herself to continue.
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    It's surprising she feels this way, thought her goal was to win a medal at the olympics. Whatever she decides, she's had a great career.
  36. Sylvia

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    The GP Announcement states that seeded skaters need to confirm their participation by August 1st -- see: http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?p=3613823#post3613823
    3.1 Confirmation of Participation of Seeded skaters/couples
    The ISU Members must confirm the participation of the seeded skaters/couples in the two (2) events to the ISU Secretariat by August 1, 2012. If a seeded skater/couple does not participate in the event(s) for which they are designated, there will be no substitute event(s).
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    Just to clarify, "Come-back" skaters and couples where were previously seeded are considered seeded, which is why GP announcement section 3.1 applies.

    Becoming a "Come-back" skater or couple is a one-time option. The announcement doesn't state explicitly whether signing the contract alone is taking that option, whether the skater is confirmed (this year by 1 August), or whether the skaters skates.
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    Thanks for the clarification, Sylvia and Kwanfan1818:D
  39. Japanfan

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    Most elite skaters have to make sacrifices and are aware of it.

    In high school and after their friends are partying, dating, staying up late, traveling, eating pizza and drinking beer, hanging out in university pubs. In contrast, skaters have to lead disciplined, routine and focused lives. It's inevitable that they'll miss out on some of the life experiences common to teenagers and young adults.

    Carolina has been in the spotlight since before the Torino Olympics. She's now 25 and it's not surprising she is finding the notion of retiring appealing. I don't think a Gold Medal in Sochi is her vision, nor whether she could actually contend for it. Now could be a very good time to move on.
  40. judgejudy27

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    Very true. I dont see either Kostner or Ando being serious contenders in Sochi which will be the Russians, probably the Americans, Kim if she returns in half decent or better form, and possibly some of the other Japanese. Both are best to go out on the high of a World title. I wouldnt be surprised if Ando bails on her grand prix assignments and goes pro too, I dont think we will see either in Sochi.