Kim Undecided About Worlds

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  1. Iceman

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  2. Jeschke

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    now with the olympics in pyeongchang she can easily miss one world championships, because she has to stay around until 2018 to win the one and only gold at home. i bet, there´s a lot of pressure, she stays competitve til then or for a comeback for the great stroke.

    apart from that, i think her olympic bonus will be almost lost, if she will not compete this season. you saw the regression at this years worlds, compared to her dominance last season.
     
  3. kwanatic

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    That didn't say anything about her going to worlds.

    Still, it's great to see Yu-Na following in the Kween's footsteps; Michelle was elected to the Board of Directors and was the ambassador for the Special Olympics in Athens.

    Coming back to competition has nothing to do with Yu-Na's physical condition; she's in top form. Her only issue is motivation. It takes too much to push yourself to continue to compete if you really don't feel like it. She's got a lot going on outside of skating and it's very possible that she may bid farewell to competing and continue her one-woman revival of the show skating business in addition to her other interests, endorsements, obligations, etc.
     
  4. Cheylana

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    Huh?
     
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  5. riveredge

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    whatever Yuna chooses I will support her.. after all she's doing everything for this sport to survive in her home country, there are so many things she wanted to do and obligations from everywhere..but I hope the Korean fed (like what they did in 2010 worlds) and the fans will not pressure her to compete..):
     
  6. RumbleFish

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    Coud you share where this story about Korean Fed and her fans pressuring her to compete came from? I don't remeber seeing it anywhere.
     
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    http://www.thestar.com/sports/figur...rkman-skate-rivalry-boils-over-on-and-off-ice

     
  8. peibeck

    peibeck Counting down the days 'til Skate America

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    I can't imagine Kim staying around 'til 2018.
     
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    Oh I see! :D When I loaded the page, the words got kinda messed up and that whole first half of the story was left off. I see now...

    Regardless, my assessment is still the same. I don't think she'll continue to compete much longer if at all...
     
  10. dinakt

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    The pressure one puts on oneself to be in absolute top form for just one competition a year must be enormous. If I had my d'rathers, I would have Yu-Na miss the whole season, and then come back the next season starting with GP, or at least with 4 Continents, so she has some feeling of routine again before the Worlds. On the other hand, she is doing great things for show skating, and a big part of me hopes she expands on that option instead ( or that she does whatever makes her happiest).
    Does All That Skate LA happen this year? I really hope that venture succeeds.
     
  11. judgejudy27

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    I dont think there is anyway she wants to show up and skate like she did at this years Worlds which was for her standards a disaester. If she cant find anymore motivation or time to prepare than last year it is best to skip again, or turn pro.
     
  12. Ziggy

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    She's won everything and earned truck-loads of money.

    Don't understand why she's not retired yet.

    Unless she fully commits to training, we're just going to see painful performances like at 2011 Worlds.

    Please spare us from that. She's too special a talent to end her career with shitty uninspired performances.
     
  13. AxelAnnie

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    ^^^ ditto that. I hope she is finished...........she is too lovely, and her Oly performances were simply too brilliant to even attempt to compete with...........There is really nothing left to add!
     
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    ITA with the two above posts. She's a great skater, but if she doesn't put 100% into training, it's just time for her to retire and do something more fun. She obviously loves doing exhibition shows, but she could also coach or she could become a technical specialist or judge. I really don't understand why she would continue if she wasn't 100% into it unless if her federation was pressuring her. Skipping the Grand Prix series and only going to worlds is just not going to produce good results, even for the most dominant athletes. Robin Wagner mentioned this in an interview prior to worlds, but she was right - an athlete needs to have live competitive experience prior to going to a big competition like worlds and not just show up cold with no competitive experience for one year. I don't get the whole "she needs to get two spots for her country for next year's worlds" idea because one of those two spots is always going to be used by her, leaving one spot for a skater like MJK. Her country is guaranteed one spot in every discipline every year anyways. The next generation of skaters should really pave their own way for multiple spots.
     
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    It doesn't say anything about her fans pressuring her.
    I don't know whether any of her fans really did, but isn't it natural for fans of her competitive skating to want to see her compete?
    I don't buy this about having hard time dealing with pressure from fandom. Isn't it a successful skater's destiny to have fans who want to see her do well?

    As I read this article, I find it more likely that $peedy and SBS, a Korean TV station who has the broadcasting rights to ISU championships, are doing most of the pressuring.
    http://news.naver.com/main/read.nhn?mode=LSD&mid=sec&sid1=001&oid=087&aid=0000335633
    BTW, it's in Korean so don't bother clicking if you can't read it. lol

    It's an lengthy interview with the Chairman of SBS regarding stories behind Pyongchang's winning bid for 2018 Olys. He specifically cites how $peedy requested to him that Kim participate more in ISU championships. I can only guess, but it could be that $peedy's demand for Kim's participation had been taken as a condition for his support for PC. If this had been the case, officials at the Korean fed probably had no choice but to visit Toronto and talk her into skating at 2010 Worlds.
     
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    At this rate, it's likely that you will see plenty more mediocre performances even after she retires through her show skating.:yikes:
     
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    When Kwan skipped the Grand Prix events, did she do pro-am competitions to get her share of competitive experience before going to Worlds? I didn't watch pro-ams in that time period, so no idea. I am curious in general to what extent Kwan did or did not compete in those years when she skipped the GPs.
     
  18. Marco

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    Mediocre as her 2011 Worlds performances were, to lose to Ando who skated the way she did was majorly insulting. Even if she didn't care for the fact that she had won everything there was to win, the rules being against her now (no 3rd 2axel), and the Russian and Japanese politiking back in full force, she should care about that ugly, unfortunate 2011 Worlds loss.

    (but I agree with whoever that said that if she wanted to skip GPs from now on, she should at least do 4CCs on top of Worlds.)
     
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    Here is a list of Michelle's events 1997-2009 from Heathers site.


    http://heatherw.com/mk/past/compsch_past.htm
     
  20. Vash01

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    I disagree. Ando did her job; Kim did not, and she deserved to lose. It was more Ando's triumph than Kim's misfortune. It's very narrow minded to say it was politics, or the rules were against her just because there cannot be a 3rd double axel. Every skater is impacted by rule changes one way or another during his/her career. Those who have the motivation rise above it. I will perfectly understand if Yu na did not feel particularly motivated to win after winning the OGM with a great performance. Perhaps she needs to take a break and come back when she feels more 'hungry'.
     
  21. Marco

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    Technically, both did 5 triples and 2 2axels (and Kim did a 3/3) and got called level 4 spins and level 3 steps.

    As far as PCS goes, well, if you think Ando did her job, or deserved those component scores compared to Kim, then we need to just agree to disagree.

    And to compare them like they are equal skaters to begin with is already ridiculous.

    You seem to believe the remarkable jump in Ando's PCS from 6.85 to 7.6 at 2010 Worlds to 7.79 to 8.14 at 2011 is merely due to merit. Again, we will just have to agree to disagree.
     
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    Poor Yuna its all about Winning Gold medals for her. even silver medals in last two world championship count nothing to some, 5 triples 3L-3T LP sooo medicre performance just missed 2t and 3f was such huge deal like she popped all her jumps.
    My only wish if she want to compete i want to see her at gps +full seasons.
     
  23. bek

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    I'm sorry but its not like said rule couldn't hurt Ando. Who clearly hates to do triple flips and could easily do a could of double axel sequences to get in three double axels. I adore Yu-na but there has to be some reward for having all the triples. IMO.

    Well there was feelings by some that Ando was underscored at 2010 worlds and should have had bronze. Wasn't she in penultimate group too. Given Ando has won everything but the Grand Prix Finals this year and has certainly beaten everyone. Its no surprise Miki's PCS went up.

    Second one could point out that this wasn't the same Yu-na either. Kim was reportedly much slower, messy and her program was hardly an artistic masterpiece either. Yu-na shouldn't be a No Show the entire season and then expect the judges to give her the benefit of the doubt when she skates shaky. I'm not saying Kim definetly deserved second, but Yu-na in many ways made her own bed.
     
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    Yu na's execution was poor. Ando's execution of the program was good. In general, Yu na is a better skater than Ando, but in this competition Ando was better. Where did I say they are equal skaters? We are talking about one particular competition- worlds 2011. If you want to worship Yu na and just award her gold medals regardless of how she skates, I am glad you are not a FS judge.
     
  25. judgejudy27

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    I agree. 45% Kim is better than 85% Ando everyday. As embarassing as it would be for Kim to win so far below her usual self, it is even more embarassing for the sport to now have Ando as a 2 time World Champion, especialy winning the second not even skating her best which a skater of her caliber should always have to in order to win. The one saving grace is if even Ando can be a 2 time World Champion, skaters like Trixi Schuba and Annett Poetzsch dont look so bad anymore. At this rate it will be convenient the ladies event is last as everybody will flee town once the other 3 events are over, especialy if a mediocre aging skater who isnt even in her prime like Ando is ever close to another major title through more Japanese politiking and the generally abysmal field now.
     
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    You're joking, right? The 1818 Olympics are 6 and 1/2 years away and there is another Olympics before that.

    I hope there is some movement and new bright stars in the ladies' field between them and now. Kim is already moving away from competition. To suggest she is a favourite for 1818 is completely preposterous.
     
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    But Kim skated far below her usual self and not as well as Miki. If she is such a better skater then it is she, not Ando, who should be embarrassed.

    The final flight of ladies at Worlds was sub-par. Miki won it fair and square and has nothing to be ashamed of.
     
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    It is a matter of opinion that she didnt skate as well as Miki. If Miki had got the mostly 0s (with occasional 1s) in GOES for her spins and spirals and the much lower PCS she deserved she would have lost even to a subpar Kim. Miki didnt skate her best either at Worlds, and is so far inferior to Kim as a skater that if both are off of course Kim is better. In fact if I recall correctly both landed 5 triples in the long, a 5 triple Miki should be crushed by a 5 triple Kim, not come from behind to win.

    I didnt say Miki should feel embarassed. Of course she should be happy. Womens skating should be embarassed such an ordinary skater being crowned as a 2 time World Champion though with an 80s caliber winning performance though. Atleast in 2007 her win made sense as she skated the 2 performances of her life with triple lutz-triple loop combinations in both programs, excelling in the only area she is truly good at (jumping) which she didnt even do this year, and won by virtue of two much better skaters making big mistakes she didnt, not much better skaters making similar mistakes to hers.
     
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    When was the last time a Kim thread got hijacked by Ando? :scream: This is really sad.
    It is a blessing that Kim can now retire in piece since $peedy doesn't hold PC bid as a hostage anymore.
     
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    i like my period dramas, but to assume you are living in that era is bit too much. ;)

    Apart from 1818 bit, i agree with everything else you say in the post.
     
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