Kevin Reynolds: "Plan B" Worked

Discussion in 'Great Skate Debate' started by overedge, Apr 3, 2012.

  1. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    Do you mean youtube links, or links to written articles?
  2. The Accordion

    The Accordion Well-Known Member

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    PeterG every time I think I can't love you more...
  3. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    What happens in Vancouver stays in Vancouver.
  4. spikydurian

    spikydurian Well-Known Member

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    What? What? :sekret:
  5. The Accordion

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    :slinkaway
  6. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    A third is always welcomed.
  7. overedge

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    No one is going to document in those forms what they've seen.
    If you talk to enough people who have spent time at 8 Rinks around that training centre, there's a pretty consistent set of stories that emerge. I see no reason to doubt those just because they aren't in an article or video.
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    Get in line SpikeyD, I want in.
  9. LilJen

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    FREE KEVIN!!!!
  10. spikydurian

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    :shuffle: :shuffle: You first jl22aries. I don't know what I am in for. :D
  11. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    Truer words were never spoken. :hat1:
  12. Sylvia

    Sylvia Whee, summer club comps!

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    Since this old thread from early April was bumped up with Reynolds' SP video from the Ondrej Nepela Memorial, here are first-hand impressions posted in the Nepela competition thread in Kiss and Cry about his FS:
    Poggi's video of Reynolds' 2nd place FS (139.72), 4th overall at Nepela: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pDDRu7gTJU
    Music is "Concerto no. 4 for Piano and Orchestra" by Andre Mathieu (a French-Canadian composer) and the program was choreographed by Kenji Miyamoto.
  13. spikydurian

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    Thanks Sylvia.
  14. Frau Muller

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    The title of this thread makes me laugh. Isn't 'Plan B' a birth control method?
  15. Mevrouw

    Mevrouw living every minute

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    Sometimes. But the phrase has been used for many decades earlier to mean one's 'backup plan if the first plan doesn't work'.

    Or maybe this time it means the plan for the B events.
  16. ChiquitaBanana

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    Andre Mathieu also composed the "concerto de Quebec" , used by Takahashi and Tran for their long program last year.
  17. skateboy

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    I agree that Kevin is talented and wish him well, but I find it very hard to take him seriously as long as he's got an Old English Sheepdog puppy on his head.
  18. ks777

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    Kevin really needs to work on his basic skating skills. He is the slowest male skater out there.
    Also he needs to work on his landing knee. His quads are not impressive at all because it doesn't get enough height plus he has no flow coming out of them because he doesn't know how to use his knee to land them.
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    But there must be at least a few people who like and respect Joanne McLeod? She must have at least a few things going for her, even if she is largely disliked and considered to be lacking in talent.

    I also find it interesting that none of her top skaters have left her. Sandhu was a headcase and probably couldn't make a coaching change, even if someone would have taken him.

    As to the others, I just find it strange. Skaters leave even well-respected coaches with a excellent track record. How can teams Leung, Ten and Reynolds be completely unaware if McLeod's is stalling her skaters progress?

    IIRC someone (overedge?) said that 8 Rinks was embarrassed by McLeod but not willing to lose face by admitting it and that McLeod ran the rink like a tyrant.

    True as that may be, Skate Canada has no particular loyalty to McLeod so far as I know. And Skate Canada members are quite capable of recommending a coaching change to a skater, aren't they?
  20. mag

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    Contrary to popular belief, I don't believe any Section or National Board member or employee would put themselves in the middle of a coach skater relationship. Decisions about coaching are made by skaters and/or their parents. I have no idea if JM is a tyrant or not. I do know she has been awarded the BC/YT Section coach of the year more times than any other coach. My opinion about Kevin needing a coaching change is based on my observations and my opinion that his development has stalled in the last few years. That can happen even if the coach is fabulous. Sometimes people just need a change and a different voice.
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    Leung left her, but that may have been more Leung being fired as a student rather than choosing to leave. (And Leung did eventually come back.)

    Obviously only those who are involved know what is going on in each of those relationships, but there is a pattern among all of those skaters when it comes to addressing problems/lack of progress....blaming it on someone else (usually the judges, for not
    marking them "appropriately").

    That wasn't said by me.
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    You still wonder how they can't think that maybe getting a different coach wold get the different marks - if they think the judges are biased already?
  23. PeterG

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    :cheer: :40beers: :D :rockstar: :cheer2: :respec: :biggrinbo

    CONGRATS ON YOUR GOLDEN ACHEIVEMENT!!!
  24. query5

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    great job kevin. well deserved
  25. mag

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    Yes, congratulations!!! Kevin really has improved so much over the last few years. He has many more transitions and is using his arms and body with the music. Way to go Kevin!
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    He still skates rather slow and even his jumps are not that impressive even though he does land them. His PCS was way to high for someone of his skating skills. I don't see him getting those kind of scores at Worlds or the top skaters collapsing like they did at 4CC.
  27. Corianna

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    Oh, maybe, but let's celebrate today and qibble tomorrow. His happy face at the medal ceremony was delightful, and it is now more likely that, with any luck at all, he and Patrick will get our three spots.
    Of course, Disc and Yuzuru will have their good days again. And Javi should do well too. Who wouldn't want them to?
  28. all_empty

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    Like Corianna said, let's celebrate today and quibble tomorrow.

    The fact that Kevin has had two excellent competitions really bodes well for Worlds. While the judges may give him a PCS boost now that he's won a major championship, his improvements deserve recognition.

    Skating skills and stroking do need work, as do the flip and Lutz. But I have to say that 4S just floated effortlessly. And if he hit the planned 3F+3Lo like he did at Nationals, his TES would've been even higher. I also really liked his combination spin at the end.

    Good job Kevin!
  29. manhn

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    OMG, Kevin won't win the Olympics?!?! Thanks so much for the reality check.
  30. Really

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    Well, remember, we denizens of Canuckistan have no sense of reality when it comes to our skaters so we do need that kick in the pants ever so often. Isn't is great that there are so many who are willing to oblige?
  31. Corianna

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    Indeed, and I've been especially when they're sitting behind me at events, and share their opinions of our delusions with two or three rows of us.
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  32. Corianna

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    Of course, that should have read especially thankful.
  33. sequins

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    Yes what would we do without their insight? Anyway Congrats Kevin! I was stunned when I heard but truly happy for him. I hope he enjoys his moment and it inspires him even more:)
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  34. Corianna

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    Hey, guys, it's Eric and Megan for Gold and MTM silver yet again. Three points apart.
  35. AragornElessar

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    Yes indeed...Congratulations Kevin and Well Done!!

    Are there things Kevin still has to work on? Yes, there is. However, let's look at the positive here for the moment. I honestly thought Kevin would never ever find someone in the Skating Choreography ranks who, not only wanted to help him w/his programs and presence on the ice, but also doing that w/out attempting to change Kevin into a skater that he isn't. That's when Shae-Lynn came in Stage Right and what she's been able to both give and get out of Kevin the past couple of years is just so very impressive.

    He really has come a long way. I just wish I could have seen it. None of the online links to players/networks that were doing live streaming Thursday night/Friday morning worked for me, so I didn't bother trying last night/this morning. My body then thought catching up on lost sleep from following anything live from Japan the last two days was more important, than catching the CBC broadcast this afternoon. Oh well...I'm sure it'll be on YouTube before the end of the weekend. :)

    The picture of Kevin after the Medal Ceremony, where he's proudly holding up his Gold Medal, the grin on his face said it all. I'm actually amazed they bothered w/the spotlight for it actually. Kevin was beaming so brightly, he could have lit his own path around the rink afterwards. :D

    Congratulations to Canada's newest member of the "I am a Four Continents Champion!!!" Club!!! :)
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  36. spikydurian

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    :cheer::cheer2::40beers:
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    Canada will be hard to beat in Team competition!!
  38. aims

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    His long at the 4CC was choreographed by a Japanese choreographer Kenji Miyamoto, a former ice dancer. He's the one that choreographed 'Eye', Daisuke's short during the Vancouver Olys, by the way.
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    :cheer: Nicely done, Kevin! :)
  40. geoskate

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    Congratulations to Kevin. I admire his perserverance, and also how far he has come artistically in the last two years. The marks here reflected not only his jumping ability but also his artistry. That's a significant achievement for him.

    But I still want him to leave Joanne McLeod.
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