Kaetlyn Osmond - Canada's hope

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  1. michiruwater

    michiruwater Well-Known Member

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    Uh, a few posts up Cyn quoted her previous post where she states that she finds Osmond to be more enjoyable, entertaining, and better at performing/executing than Yu Na ever has been. Post #269, to be specific.
  2. algonquin

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    Thanks, but that is Cyn's opinion & is entitled to it. What bothers me is that all Canadians are lumped together & then bashed.
  3. flowerpower

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    I doubt that Cyn is a Canadian. Her sig line quotes the Governor of Ohio.
  4. manhn

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    Uh, Cyn's not Canadian.
  5. algonquin

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    Huh!

    This post from Vash01 is worthly enough to be repeated:

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    I think that Kaetlyn's layback spin is much better than YuNa's layback. I hate when the leg that's off the ice is super bent. Dick Button would say "ugly position". lol/// love Mr. Button
  7. TheIronLady

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    Maybe she is an Ohioan trying to sabotage Canada's new star with OTT praise! ;)

    Kaetlyn has real performing ability, so I hope people let her develop and do not start calling her Jesus. Her Carmen is very entertaining yes. She needs the experience of regular competition with real rivals, and hopefully she will get cleaner and become a force in the game.
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  8. TheIronLady

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    I agree with you 200%.
  9. algonquin

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    I agree with you. Putting things into context, a lot of her OTT praise might be coming for posters who suffered through Canadian ladies in the mid to late 90's and into the early 2000s. I don't know all the posters who are giving the OTT praise, so I can't say for sure. Suffered, however, is the only word that can adequately describe following Canadian ladies during those times.

    ETA - I was at Canadians for Keatlyn free skate and I don't think that this is OTT praise to say that she has charisma. That alone will not get her onto the top of podiums, but it might get her sponsors.
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  10. Seerek

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    Karen Preston might have been given credit with the first triple-triple sequence or series, but I believe the first Canadian woman to do a ratified triple-triple combination would have been Joannie Rochette (2004).

    Interestingly, I wouldn't be surprised if Kaetlyn at least flirts with a 3 flip - 3 toe next year - she's lucky those are her two best triples and can be used in a combination...
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    What was the 3/3 Karen performed? Obviously it couldn't be the 3lutz/3toe if Chartrand was credited for it.
  12. hohoho

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    At Nationals Kaetlyn was doing a beautiful 3Lz/3T in practice. She can also do a 3F/3T. I think we will see different programs next year. she has also been doing 3L in practice. I believe at Skate Detroit and Wildrose she was attempting 3Lz/3T and 3F in her short programs.

    I think her team are playing it safe this year and getting into the international scene.
  13. walei

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    What I like most about Kaetlyn that I rarely see from other skaters even the top champs is how relaxed and genuinely happy she looks when she takes the ice. One of the very important trait for a good performer is for him or her to let the audience feel relaxed and confident that this is going to be a good performance. Kaetlyn has this trait in spades!
  14. Cyn

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    Damn, I wanted to be an honorary Canadian :drama: :fragile:

    ;)

    :rofl:

    I'm from the Deep South (Georgia, to be specific)

    :eek: I guess I need to change my siggy line now that the election is over :duh:.

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    I do stand by my post regarding my preference of Kaetlyn's skating to YuNa's.

    Kim has fabulous jumps and great speed across the ice, but her free leg position in her layback spin sucks, and she wouldn't know what a toe-point was if it bit her on the ass. I also don't see a whole lot of emotion or charisma from her during her programs.

    Kaetlyn has the potential to have it all -- jumps, interpretation, skating skills, great body lines and the ability to "finish" her positions, and oodles of charisma.

    When I compare YuNa when she debuted in the senior ranks to Osmond's debut this year, it isn't even close -- I'm far more impressed with the latter and her potential than I ever was with the former. FTR, I'm not a Mao ├╝ber/YuNa detractor in any way, shape, or form; I'm a fan of the sport (and artistry) of skating, and between Skate Canada and last weeks Cdn Nats, Kaetlyn is a breath of fresh air with enormous talent.
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    duplicate post....sorry about that :eek:
  16. TheIronLady

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    I am confused. Has a Canadian never performed a triple-triple combination at nationals? LOL
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    Rochette did one in '05, but I can't recall anyone else who did prior to last year. Watt and Robinson made attempts but they weren't rotated.
  18. shine

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    Yeah, and exactly what is wrong with that? She didn't say Kaetlyn is a BETTER skater than Yuna. All she seems to be saying is that she enjoys her more and thinks her performance/execution is better. I don't see how that is so unfathomable?

    And speaking for myself, I really couldn't care less about which country which skater is from and naturally don't give a damn about Osmond being Canadian or Antarctician. I've never been particularly patriotic when it comes to figure skating. I've been singing praises of Osmond's skating simply because IMO she is that good, especially for her age.
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  19. TheIronLady

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    Her interpretation of music is not subtle like Mao, Yu Na, Rochette, or Costner, but that can be improved. I think she is more exciting to watch than Wagner, Agnes or Gracie Gold (none of whom have enough ooomph or charisma), but she will need to become a more consistent jumper. She reminds me of Tonya Harding with her legs and upper body and high kick choreography.
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  20. Marco

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    Well I don't agree.

    Osmond didn't exactly show much back bend in any of her layback variations. Her positions overall are more refined and have prettier lines yes, but I would think back bend is ultimately the most important feature in a layback position yes?

    At her best, Kim spins a much faster layback.
  21. Shaia

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    Kaetlyn was better than Yuna has ever been? LMAO. Did you watch something called Vancouver Olympics?

    I will say that Kaetlyn will never be as good as Yuna, and that's not a knock on Kaetlyn. Right now, Yuna would beat her by 30+ points.
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  22. naan

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    I agree. Most people in this thread are just excited about her skating and hope she keeps improving. Nobody said Kaetlyn was better better than Yuna ever has been.
    I read some people insist Kaetlyn is on par with Yuna in many ways in other forum, though.

    I like Kaetlyn, she has many great qualities in her skating - big jumps, great transitions, choreography, interpretation and spark. That said, she still has many things to work on. She doesn't have difficult 3-3, TRUE 3Lz, and 3Lo. Some of jumps are high and powerful, but her air position is not ideal - it's not tight, and slightly leg wrap. Her skating skills are not bad, but needs a lot of works to be great. She needs to work on footwork and spins, too.

    This.

    It's rather premature to say this. Kaetlyn is young, given that she has improved remarkably in one year, she has a lot of potential to be great. But to be fair, 16-year-old Yuna was much better than Kaetlyn technically, and in my eyes, Yuna was slightly better artistically. Her Roxanne and Lark Ascending were masterpiece!
  23. professordeb

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    Cyn, if you wish to be an honourary Canadian, you get my vote and I say welcome!!!! The more the merrier.
  24. shine

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    Quote?
    And do we need a better example of how Yuna ubers turn people off?
  25. clarie

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    Right!!! This is Kaetlyn's thread and I assumed we were free to gush as we wished :lol:
  26. Cachoo

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    I know Yuna is great and I wish I knew why this happens but there are some skaters you warm to: I love and miss Kwan and now I feel the same sort of excitement for Kaetlyn that I did for Michelle. I like Yuna but sometimes she leaves me cold. I don't know why---I know she is brilliant. But there was a joy that emanated from Michelle and I feel that Kaetlyn exudes that same sort of joy. I do hope she is given space and time to learn.
  27. clarie

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    I think she'll take her own space, and time, and move at her and her coach's pace. They have a plan and it's in motion. She's the only skater in a long time (if ever) that exudes that innner sparkle that I have seen........JMO. She makes me happy watching her.
  28. Cyn

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    :D

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    Well, the following article is sure to get the Yunabot's knickers in all kinds of knots :D :EVILLE: :saint: :

    Canada's Rising Star May Pose Challenge to Kim Yu-na

    (the article is from the english version of The Chosun Ilbo (The Korean Daily News)
  29. clarie

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    OMG you are so right!!!:lol: Actually, I don't know whether to laugh or cry
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    She reminds me a lot of Emily Hughes. She has a similar strengths, body type and style.
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    based on what i seen so far--kaetlyn should beat out both american ladies
    possibe medal she has better technique and more fluidity, speed than the u.s. ladies. good job fr her. hopefully will skate well at worlds and f/c
    i can see her coming in 1st/2nd at f/c
    possible 2-4th at worlds
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    Better hope that Kaetlyn turns out to be a better skater than Emily, who was prone to URs.

    In 5 years of competition, Emily had just 3 international successes: JW bronze, 4C silver and one GP medal--a bronze.
    She never won the US Championship.
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    She's a total teenager. Cute interview! On one of the sessions I saw her practicing at, her and her friends put on some country music and were singing and dancing to it during the warm up. It was so cute and kinda goofy. And of course, minutes later she was landing triples all over the place. Sounds like the team recipe for success is to have fun while training hard.
  36. clarie

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    You must live in Edmonton......Lucky you to be able to see these kids practise :)..........will you be at Worlds? I am going and looking forward to it. Hope to go to Nats next year :_
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    The biggest thing KO needs to work on is skating skills. As for jumps, she does 3 different 3/3s in practice with consistency and the 3L is about ready to be inserted into a program. Her team is waiting until next year to change her programs and layout. They want to drill in what she has now right through the end of the season which is more than enough to go for top 10 at London. This is the goal. Expect a full complement of jumping content on the GP next year as her programs are designed. In the next cycle, I'll be expecting the 3A to be added.

    No the back bend is not the most important thing to the judges in a layback. You just need to tick the box to get down enough to qualify for a layback. Speed of rotation (and maintaining it through position changes), surety of position and centering are most important factors. She has all that. Also for me I tend to look at distance between skating knee and free knee for aesthetics. Most ladies cheat and keep the free knee close to the skating knee to speed up rotation and maintain control. Kaetlyn does a better job here.

    As for the footwork, I get that she's on two feet a bit more than I would like, but the good news is that her coach is a tech specialist. She gets level 4s on many of her elements. She also gets GOE because of how well she highlights the music with her fw. She may not be the best at it but she doesn't need to be. She's set up to score.

    So expect status quo through London except for some minor tweaking that may happen if she doesn't get all level 4s in Osaka. I think her programs on the GP next fall will address a lot of the concerns mentioned here.
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    Nice interview--but even if she was goofy or if she was arrogant the fact---for me---is that I love to watch this girl skate. Whatever "it" is she has in buckets imho.
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    She just has this exuberance about her when she skates that's infectious. I really hope that when she inevitably hears about all the trash being said about her, that she doesn't let it affect her; she has such a great future ahead of her.
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    She seems pretty grounded and secure to me elle--I think she'll be fine. Sometimes I think trash talk is motivated by fear. Why we can't be excited for ALL new talent instead of the talent only within our borders is beyond me. We end up getting snippy with one another and then somehow transfer that dislike to the skaters we are debating who have not done anything to provoke such ire. I guess that's life though.