Kaetlyn Osmond - Canada's hope

Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Emdee, Sep 29, 2012.

  1. Rock2

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    If anyone can salvage a busted up season it's Kaetlyn. Two years ago she was injured through most of the season and won the short in her first go at Senior Nats and went to JW. This program just won't get to where she needs it to be in 2 months but you can bet she sells the crap out of it in Sochi. What may be on her side is that medal is out of the picture so she can skate freely again as she did in London.

    As for the lutz it's not perfect but you can certainly rationalize no call. It's high and strong now which is great. A sekret source told me last year that national callers are very reluctant to call her edges at the challenge or at nats to avoid sending that message or signal internationally. Expect that element to be left alone in Ottawa, too.

    Wow for all the potential drama leading up the ladies event this year, it's certainly looking like an Osmond-Daleman pairing in Sochi. Nothing's a lock but will be hard to yank these two out of their Olympic jackets.
  2. hohoho

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    Osmond didn't get an edge call at Challenge, but she did at Nationals (http://results.skatecanada.ca/2012-2013/2013CDNS/2013CDNSSrWomenFreesegJudgesDetails.pdf).
  3. spikydurian

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    I am so happy to know that Kaetlyn is returning from injury relatively strong and prepared. I became interested in Gaby after watching her skate at WTT 2013 and her growth is not a surprise. I too think these two ladies very likely to podium barring an unforseen circumstances. Whatever the outcome, good luck to all the ladies.
  4. sk8hrd

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    Thank you Rock2 for agreeing with me that she flutzed. Osmond is a flutzer and did so at every major competition that she competed at last year except the Challenge.

    However I disagree with the part that "national callers are very reluctant to call her edges at the challenge or at nats" because they called and edge on Daleman's flip at the challenge. This call combined with the no call on Osmond's flutz gave Osmond the win at Challenge. Osmond received 1.26 +GOE's on the flutz and Daleman received -0.98 GOE for her lip. So they should have actually tied or Daleman should have won with the no call. They also called Mallet's flutz and Chartrand's lip as well.

    If you watch the streaming closely you can see that she was on an outside edge but then her ankle turns inwards and she takes off on the inside edge.
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  5. cbd1235

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    The lutz edge is hard to tell from that angle at best. It looks like the slightest turnover to an inside from this angle, but one would have to see another angle to make conclusions. I am okay with either the call for edge or no edge in this case. I am not surprised they placed this jump at that specific spot in relation to the tech panel and judges.
  6. Really

    Really No longer just a "well-known member" Yay!

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    I think I'm detecting some definite non-love for Osmond in some quarters...
  7. overedge

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    This makes no sense. Rock2 was talking about the callers not calling Osmond's edges. Which is exactly what you describe happening at Challenge - they didn't call Osmond's edge (although I agree it was unclear as to whether she flutzed) but they called Daleman's, Mallet's, and Chartrand's.
  8. hohoho

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    It's just sk8hrd non-love for Osmond and love for Daleman. Daleman edge call was very obvious on second lutz.
  9. sk8hrd

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    Rock2 was talking about the caller not calling Osmond's edges "at the challenge or at nats to avoid sending that message or signal internationally", but we have more than one lady competing internationally! Let's be fair to all the ladies competing! Rock2 also stated "Expect that element to be left alone in Ottawa, too." Is everyone in this thread okay with that? Are you okay with that overedge? I hope the playing field is level at nationals.

    No Really, I actually like Osmond a lot and think she has done a terrific job. I just get tired of all the other girls getting forgotten about or knocked down (to Juniorish, not refined enough, etc..). we have a lot of terrific girls that are doing a really great job out there, but we don't acknowledge them enough! If we want our young Canadian ladies to do well internationally we have to start talking them up in these forums.
  10. Sylvia

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    Wait, is that how it works in judging? :confused:
  11. skatingguy

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    I think its important to have the skaters edge calls correct at every competition for fairness. It would be nice to see more Canadian ladies skaters having good international results and we've definitely seeing an improvement and steps forward but to think that talking them up on this site is going to improve their results is laughable at best and delusional at worst. But if you want to give it a shot why not start a thread about one of them.
  12. hohoho

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    As I said earlier, Osmond got an edge call on her lutz at nationals. Not a challenge.

    If you want to use forums to try and promote other canadian ladies use the other thread - Canadian Ladies Uber. Look at the title of this thread - Kaetlyn Osmond
  13. sk8hrd

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    She didn't get an edge call on her second lutz! She got an edge call on her flip. Her second lutz was huge and should have scored the same as Osmond's flutz, +2's across the board, but instead +1's and 0's.

    I like Osmond a lot (as I have stated earlier) and I'm really impressed at how fast she has risen in such a short time. I just get tired of your obvious non-love of Daleman, hohoho. More than one girl in Canada can rise quickly as well, she is 15 and already doing 3Lz+3T and has 7 triples in her FS.
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    I haven't degraded Daleman at anytime. I merely stated that she is not where Osmond is yet. I think she has improved a lot since she won junior 2 years ago.

    My mistake on the 2nd lutz.
  15. sk8hrd

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    I'm was not intending to promote other Canadian ladies in this thread, I was just stating she flutzed her lutz and was not called on it, in response to others saying that her lutz was clean and better. Sorry if the truth hurts. But I will go to the Canadian Ladies Uber and start promoting the other ladies there if you wish. I also like Chartrand and Mallet is becoming another rising lady for me - sorry for mentioning other names here.
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  16. hohoho

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    Same tech specialist for all skaters in the competition. I don't see the flutz. Guess that is why I only watch performances
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    Osmond back on Olympic path

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    I believe Osmond skated in her club show last weekend. Did anyone attend?
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  21. Manaud

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    Funny they won't call her but they dinged the he'll out of Scott and tessa
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  22. geoskate

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    If they really are trying to avoid sending signals on a debatable point, I won't begrudge Kaetlyn that. IMO the place to deal with issues like that is privately, with the coach and with the skater themselves.

    However, Manaud raises a good point - why aren't V/M treated in the same way? For the last two seasons they've had no perceptible 'national inflation', at least on the technical side. I didn't understand that at the time of the events, and I still don't understand it. At the time, I rationalized it as 'well, they know that some of their levels are questionable, so they'll go back and work even harder', but I think the level-calling at nationals did hurt them internationally.

    If the technical panel are trying to avoid doing that type of thing to Kaetlyn, I say 'great'. However, this year I hope that Virtue/Moir get the same type of treatment.
  23. hohoho

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    Osmond was called for a flutz at last years Nationals. I think that the lutz was correct at Challenge. But who am I to say. I am just an observer, not a judge or technical specialist.
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  24. rvi5

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    I tried downloading the Challenge video of her Lutz into Windows Movie Maker, then step through it frame-by-frame to determine what edge she was actually on at the time of the jump. My attempt was inconclusive.

    In one frame she was clearly on an outside edge approaching the jump, in the next she was rising into the air with her toe-pick leg still in contact with the ice. Her leg position in the air may indicate a switch to an inside edge, or she could have rolled it over while beginning to rotate after lift-off. What edge she was on at the exact moment of jumping was not visible, since an additional intermediate video frame would have been required. If the judges video system was just as crappy as Movie Maker, then perhaps they gave her the benefit of the doubt. :lol:
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  25. sk8hrd

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    Maybe they should have given the other three Ladies in the final flight who received edge calls the same benefit of the doubt then. :lol:
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  26. Jiazumi

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    TBH I think kaetlyn should to back to her latin sp. She owned that program like no other that season. In fact, it's was the best sp last year in my book...

    team kaetlyn if you're reading this...
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  27. cbd1235

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    ^ I loved the latin SP from last season, but I prefer her current Big Spender one. It's an amazing program to me, and she owns it.

    Does anyone else share my view on it?
  28. Corianna

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    Whichever works.
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  29. shine

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    I do. I loved the latin SP too, but for me the Fosse SP is a step up in terms of choreophgric complexity. And it was pretty darn electrifying at SC even with the error on the 2A.

    OTOH, I'm not sure how anyone can claim one way or the other regarding her lutz takeoff edge just by looking at that Challenge video. It's a very difficult angle to clearly see the edge and the resolution really isn't the greatest.
  30. rvi5

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    Depends on what they caught on the video. In my attempt to analyze Kaetlyn's jump, the deciding moment didn't appear on a visible frame. I have not examined the other skaters, but it is possible their edge call just happened to appear clearly on a visible frame. Hence, a definite decision could be made. Is there a public video of the other skaters? I don't have a membership.

    P.S. Not saying the judges video was from the same angle, or that they use Windows Movie Maker :lol: ... just curious.

    BTW: where do they locate this official camera the judges use to make these calls?
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  31. Daniskates93

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    The official video replay camera that the judges use is the same as the one from the live stream (for Challenge specifically). If I'm not mistaken, the live stream is a lower quality in order to avoid the steam lagging. JB Video does most of the video replay for the Western/Central/Eastern Ontario sections as well as Nationals last year and Challenge for the past two years.
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    I was at the last nationals. I recall seeing someone with a small camcorder type video camera on a standard tripod next to the judges bench. Didn't seem like a fancy setup compared to the big TV cameras located around the rink. I don't recall this person was always there for every competition event. He seemed to move around, and at times hand-held the camera. Perhaps it was not the judges official camera. I didn't spot any other, but wasn't specifically looking.
  33. girlscouse62

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    Way to go, Kaetlyn, what a marvelous comeback. You go girl!
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    So happy to see Kevin skating after such a long interval.
    Go Kevin. :cheer2:
  35. rvi5

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    Kevin? Do you mean Kaetlyn, or are you in the wrong thread? :lol:

    Congratulations to Kaetlyn for defending her title, and Gabby for defending the Silver. I assume they are both Sochi bound.
  36. Jiazumi

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    LOL..

    Congrats Kaetlyn on the comeback! Hope all the best in Sochi!
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    Way to go Kaetlyn! What a comeback. So happy for her and for Gabi. They are both fighters and I can't wait to see where the future takes them.
    Ah WTH! Way to go Kevin!
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  39. Manaud

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    Thank you again for more videos rvi5! Trying to locate video has been been ridiculous
  40. spikydurian

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    Go Kaetlyn. Was worried all along due to her injury. Now I am happy to see that she's back. Just skate your best, girl.