Discussion in 'The Trash Can' started by Emdee, Sep 29, 2012.
Glad people are able to accommodate you...
Uh, since you are quoting me you should know I´ve always thought a top ten result at worlds would be a great result for her and the most I would hope for so there is no revision downward here so I'm not sure what you are at.
Yes, I think that most of us are hoping for a top ten finish, and that is Kaetlyn's goal as well......to be able to send two women to Sochi, and there are some other good young skaters coming up. I don't think it's unreasonable at all. However, if she does better than 10th, that would be a nice bonus for her.
Whose opinions inspired that lovely article about her one day beating Yu Na?
I agree that a top ten finish would be awesome for Osmond. She has talent, and I think she is a competitor. I understand why Canadians get excited, but you should know it makes the outside world kind of worry that you will be let down.
It wasn't my opinion so again why quote me? And wasn't that some pointless Korean article based on her Nationals scores? I don't pay much attention to coronations.
And I really doubt the "outside world" is worried anyone will be let down. My experience is the "outside world" loves to see those who get too excited knocked down a peg or two.
Could it be it was inspired by the writer's own imagination? Fans don't necessarily participate in group think. Some have high expectations, some low and some are more realistic.
Nice of the world to worry, but I'm sure Canada will survive.
I don't know. Canadian skating expectations are so uproarious and rosy that they betray an underlying insecurity created by decades of Olympic failures. Orser, Browning, Elvis, Brasseur and Eisler, Bourne and Kratz, and even Sale and Pelletier. World Champions all, but Olympic champions none.*
Joannie Rochette, on her second Olympic try, managed to meet expectations. And Virtue and Moir made a first for Canada in decades by being reigning world champs in an Olympic year and acheiving an undisputed gold medal. So Canada is hopefully gaining more confidence, but I think insecurities can be fed by over-hyping skaters.
Dear Maggie, Please see the last few posts under the Kevin Reynolds thread - or just what's new.
Ok fine, we should stick with today and now, and things have changed in Canada for the better. Do not forget, though, that skating has a long and illustrious history, and Skate Canada and Canadian fans are programmed by it in ways they don't even realize.
Probably fortunately, I have no idea what you could possibly mean. But then It's a funny old world.
Your friend in the north.
Meh good that she had a less than good skate. It will only make her stronger in the long run. She is after all rather inexperienced. More experiences will make for a better Olympic season.
It does take character to come back from a poorly judged short program, so it's a good thing to have tested. Just ask Sarah Hughes.
ITA! She didn't let the mistake throw her off; she has a lot of poise.
This was a good experience builder, I think. Now that she knows what's to skate in front of one of the biggest audiences in the world with some real pressure on her shoulders. Here's to a better Worlds!
I think her composure in the kiss and cry showed it wasn't a bad outing for her. Her body language was positive and calm, and this is a good sign about her mental strength.
I'm not a Canadian so I'm not putting the crushing weight of expectations on Osmond. I just think there is something special about this girl. I do have high hopes for her.
I just hope Kaetlyn as well as Gracie ignore what hype is surrounding them and both skate lights out at Worlds!
Worlds could be just as intimidating with the addition of Yu-Na, Kostner, Korpi and the Russian girls. What Kaetlyn found at 4CC was that easily beating skaters in the early fall doesn't mean you will always be able to beat them. Experienced skaters tend to peak later in the season.
The good thing now is that Kaetlyn's fans are taking a more realistic view of her chances at Worlds, one that is more in sync with Kaetlyn's goal---to finish in the top ten. And Kaetlyn should be a little more able to cope with 'opening night nerves' in March.
Just curious - why are you so concerned about the well-being of Kaetlyn's fans, anyway? I don't recall any of her fans or commentators directly predicting that she will medal or make top 5 at Worlds, for this year. I have no idea where you are coming from.
Actually there were some over zealous fans at GS who were doing just that...triggering more Osmond bashing by others at that site.
I am not Canadian but I can understand their excitement when Katelyn shows promise, and I am certain they are still excited about her prospects. I will too if I am Canadian. This type of 'excitement' or over-hyping as you call it, is normal. Canadians are not the only ones who get excited over promising figure skaters. Why should Canada not being able to produce a gold Olympic medallist create insecurity? In fact, I think it should create hope but we all (including Canadians) know hope is hope, and it may or may not materialise. I would rather live in hope than bitterness. Hope is like a ray of light whereas bitterness is darkness.
Sale and Pelletier were Olympic Champions...
Well said....my sentiments exactly.
Amazing isn't it? Euterpe is worried about Kaetlyn fans and TheIronLady is concerned over Canada's sensibilities.
One thing Kaetlyn has going for her in London is the cheering Canadian crowd. I am not saying the crowd will necessarily directly influence the judges (although it may be possible). However, the fans will almost certainly energize Kaetlyn with their support. It didn't appear to me she had as much attack in her SP at 4CC as she had at SCI and Nationals. She may have been nervous and more cautious, or it could be because she was not energized by a loud cheering audience. Perhaps both.
Actually to be accurate, the number of fans with over zealous expectations were just a small group. I think most Osmond fans are only "hoping" she can earn 2 spots for next season. For some reason, many people seem to collectively blame all Kaetlyn fans for the actions of a few.
I believe there was a second country that also over-hyped one of their skaters. I cannot remember which country is was, however. I think it happend in the 70's.
Interesting definition of "failure" that you have. Your resume must be amazing!!
Awwwww Peter, you just continue to keep me in love with you!
I don't remember one instance of other countries placing high expectations on their skaters. Never ever. If Kaetlyn only ends up second in Sochi, I'm sure one of our other Canadian babies will pick up the slack.
My post was a little obnoxious and didn't offer much new. I just am myself convinced that hype about Kaetlyn got quickly overboard to the point of drowning. I suppose people will get excited about things that I might disagree with, and it is not my place to critique their fandom or enthusiasm. So your point is taken. I apologize for being obnoxious.
Now where is that handy dandy little ignore button?
I've seen more talk about the hype than actual hype... And it's not like Kaetlyn would the first skater being hyped. What about Gracie Gold's hype before she even skated a single senior competition? And the russian girls when they were only juniors? And Max Aaron who was almost crowned Word medalist after winning US nationals? It's only criticized when Canadians do it... Must be our inferiority complex. Honestly I think most of her fans have realistic expectations. Top 10 at Worlds with a good skate.
That's GS, not here. The only overhyping came from a Korean article...
We Canucks are a hardy bunch...I'm sure we'll survive whatever happens in March...
Actually, as a big fan of Osmond's, I AM hoping for more. But there's a difference between hoping for something and outright predicting it to happen. And I don't need anyone to tell me what I should and should not be hoping for.
I look for your threads and what you have to say about how the ladies are judged. It is my favorite discipline but my knowledge is only that of the casual fan. I don't know the thread title but your points about US judging were thought provoking.
Some thoughts from Kaetlyn regarding 4CC here here:
Just to put these results into a bit of perspective, Joannie Rochette’s first trip to 4CC was in 2002 when she was the national bronze medallist. She finished 9th. She then had the luxury of going to 4CC on 2 more occasions and twice to senior Worlds as the #2 skater (thank you Top 10 Jen!). She finished 17th at her first Worlds, but it was NBD because she wasn’t our #1 woman. Kaetlyn isn’t so lucky. Not only are we sending her to Worlds as our lone entrant with the hope that she’ll finish in the top 10, we’re doing so in a pre-Olympic year when the results determine how many spots we’ll qualify for Sochi. That’s an awful lot to ask of a just barely 17-year-old girl in her first season as senior.
Personally, I still think she has a very good chance at a top 10 finish in London. But even if she doesn’t, my optimism about her future will be in no way diminished. I've been around Canadian skating for many years, and Kaetlyn may be the most natually talented female skater I've ever seen here.
I wouldn't be nervous if I were her. If she only qualifies 1 spot for Canadian ladies for Sochi, that spot most likely will be hers anyway. It should be Lacoste that should be nervous for Osmond at Worlds.
I love you, Peter!
So nice to know our 'friends' are so thoughtful and worry about us!
Another friend from up north!
Well the cracks are beginning to show. It was to be expected, she's only human and the pressure on her is intense.
Her performances at 4CC weren't good but still I think she got totally hosed on the PCS.
She has arguably the best programs this season and they were not adequately rewarded by the judges.
Yes, because of the most ridiculous decision in the history of Olympic movement, caused by huge media pressure and a bullying of a judge who eventually cracked under pressure and withdrew her scores (which she now regrets).
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