Judge throws out 3 of 51 counts against Sandusky

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  1. michiruwater

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    That's what I would have done. If I saw something with my own eyes and the law enforcement did nothing about it, and it was about a celebrity whom I was fairly certain they were protecting (a logical conclusion in this case, I think), I would have gone to the papers. Anything to get this to stop in some way.
  2. Twizzler

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    No, he was not an employee at that time. He was, however, told by university officials not to bring kids to the facility anymore. That was the extent of how PSU handled it. I believe the school officials had the audacity to refer to the abused children as Sandusky's "friends".

    It was common knowledge, according to reports, that everyone from Paterno to the university president knew that he continued to bring kids to "work out". How can those people not be held accountable in some way when they continued to allow him to utilize campus facilities with children??

    I look at it this way: Suppose I leave home for the weekend. My kids decide to throw a party and one of their underage friends gets drunk with alcohol from my liquor cabinet, drives, gets into a car accident and kills some one. Guess who is held liable?? ME. My house, my liquor, my responsibility to make sure my kids and their friends can't access it.

    All of the people at Penn State who knew and did nothing need to be held accountable for their NONaction.

    By the way, it's "Sandusky" and "McQuery"
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  3. heckles

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    Great, so essentially Sandusky was told he could keep raping kids, but somewhere else.
  4. taf2002

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    Yes.
  5. Twizzler

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    Exactly. As long as it wasn't on their campus, they didn't care. :mad:
  6. MacMadame

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    Which is why I think they wouldn't have done much to a prof in the Economics dept. who was doing something similar. While football may be king there, it seems like they have a culture of looking the other way and I doubt it stops once you leave the football departments.
  7. heckles

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    Every college has notoriously pervy profs. Tenure keeps them around.
  8. MacMadame

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    Yeah, I'm not happy more didn't happen to him. (Er, more bad stuff that is.)
  9. agalisgv

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    Barbk's example was of a specific tenured econ prof who was terminated based on his behavior.

    I've seen it happen to other tenured profs too. But IMO it's been hit or miss. It's taken much more seriously now than it was before, so it's more common for even senior profs to face serious consequences for such behavior.
  10. MacMadame

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    I think you quoted the wrong person since I was specifically talking about how I would expect Penn State to handle the situation and someone else brought tenure into it, not me.
  11. GarrAarghHrumph

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  12. galaxygirl

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    Ouch. I doubt they'll lose accreditation but if they do, it'll hurt them worse than any of the NCAA sanctions.
  13. GarrAarghHrumph

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    I also don't think they'll lose it, but if they did, it'd be major. Massive.
  14. Twizzler

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    Could you explain what being accredited means?
  15. galaxygirl

    galaxygirl Ma name's Beckeh

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    Regional accreditation basically means that you are recognized as a legitimate educational institution. Losing it is HUGE. It would basically ruin them. Most grad schools, for example, require an undergrad degree from a regionally accredited college or university. There is also national accreditation but it's nearly as prestigious. Often a college gets it when they can't get regional accreditation.

    Eta: if they do lose accreditation, they will be able to reapply for it but I'm not sure how long they'd have to wait.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_accreditation
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  16. skipaway

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    So, punish every single PSU student b/c of what Administration failed to do? How is that right? Fire the administrators and start over.
  17. GarrAarghHrumph

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    In addition, if they lose their regional accreditation, their students also lose their eligibility for most types of financial aid, until the school either applies and gets specific other types of accreditation, or gets their regional accreditation back.

    But again, in reality, this is just a way for the accreditor to raise their very strong concerns and demand a response. I do not think that Penn State will actually lose their regional accreditation.
  18. heckles

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    It means that some academics have to look busy for a few weeks. They can resume their siestas in September.
  19. Anita18

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    I was fine with them completely dismantling the Penn State football program and/or not letting them play at all for a few years, but if they lose accreditation, all the students are f*cked. There is no other way to put it.

    I too do not think Penn State will lose accreditation. But it's certainly sending a message.
  20. berthesghost

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    Well, it's certainly a life lesson. Schools lose accreditation all the time and they also close down entire programs. How is any of that fair to the students? That's life.

    I can't imagine how enrollment isn't going to be damaged. Why would anyone choose to go to such a school where this is not only allowed to happen, but encouraged to happen. Who would willingly associate their name with such a school?
  21. taf2002

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    As long as they have accreditation, students who live nearby who can't afford to go off to college will still go there. And anyone getting a scholarship to Penn State & nowhere else will go. But you're right, students who went there for the name will choose somewhere else.

    I imagine the warning status was just so Penn State could be monitored. Everyone who should lose his/her job probably hasn't yet...they still have some rotten apples to get rid of, including everyone who thinks anything goes as long as it glorifies football.
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    And while life is unfair, we should try to make it less so. Removing accreditation doesn't help.

    Punish the people who deserve to be punished, not the students that had nothing to do with this.
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    The accreditation warning is a tool used to assure that the university addresses issues in governance that the Sandusky case shows were weak or non-existent. It is not expected to result in loss of accreditation as PSU will have a two year process to ensure that they are complying and administrators have been cooperating in the beginning of that process.

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    http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...nn_State_s_accreditation.html?cmpid=125459048
  24. berthesghost

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    This warning is in aide of students. How is it fair to attend a university that allows rape for fear that they might lose a ball game if they don't? Penn state has been f-ing their students over for years. Schools lose their accredidations when they fail to provide a quality education. How is allowing a school to continue accepting money and profit from students they fail to protect fair on the students? If there are no other schools to attend in pa, then all the more reason to abolish this monopoly. I live in the smallest state in the union and we have multiple state universities to choose from.
  25. michiruwater

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    :huh: So, it's the job of the regional accrediting agencies to possibly force students to attend a different university because the school failed to protect children from a criminal?

    I mean, what happened at Penn State is awful, and I can understand, to a certain extent, why they would risk losing accreditation over it, but the above argument makes no sense to me.
  26. heckles

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    Eh, somehow I don't think people would have cared about this half as much if the victims had been young girls.
  27. milanessa

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    Really? I think it would have engendered even more outrage.
  28. heckles

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    Nah, there would have been slut-shaming all over the internet, naming the girls and intimating they provoked it. That's if it even made the news at all.
  29. CDANN1013

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    As a student at Penn State, I can say, without a doubt, the education that I am receiving at Penn State is excellent. The quality is there. Oh, by the way, I am an adult learner at Penn State. The professors expect their students to do the very best they can.

    Carol
  30. Anita18

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    Girls as young as some of the boys who were raped? 10? How could you slut-shame a 10-year-old?
  31. Theatregirl1122

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    I don't agree with heckles at all. I think there would be just as much outrage if this had been little girls. It's not like male rape victims don't face similar issues in this country.

    However, there was some pretty massive fail in the coverage of the gang rape of an 11 year old girl in texas last year.
  32. GarrAarghHrumph

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    A lot of students I've spoken to, who might not normally get into Penn State, have been wondering if Penn State's recent troubles might not create opportunity for them. I have been advising them that it may, and that they should apply if they like the school. When other schools have faced significant bad press/major issues in the past, the year afterwards often sees a dip in applicants, so students whose academics might not have normally gotten them in, can sometimes get in. But often, in the years that follow, things normalize re: stats again.

    In effect, I've basically been seeing more interest in Penn State this year, for this reason. We'll have to see how it all falls out re: applications and yield.
  33. berthesghost

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    :lol: force? Hystrionic much. Accredidation agencies rank a schools merits so students can decide to attend or not. If a school promotes an unsafe environment where the administration organizes a long range intentional protection of a person in power to abuse an underling, then the accredidation board should just look the other way and only advise on academics? Wow. So you really want to send your kid to schools where the ptb have carte blanch to do whatever they want, just so they wont have to bother going to one of the thousands of other schools offering similar education? Amazing.
  34. michiruwater

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    Wow, that's a pretty detailed sentence of things you decided I agreed with just because I thought what you wrote was idiotic. Histrionic indeed.

    And if the school loses its accreditation, the degrees the students obtain from it would be pretty much useless. Ergo, force, unless they don't really care if they use their degree they spent 3-5+ years working on.
  35. taf2002

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    I thought the use of the word "force" was kind of strange in that context. Regional accredidation agencies do their job based on facts...what students do afterwards is their own decision. If a university loses its accredidation of course students won't go there if they want a degree. But no one forces them to do anything.
  36. skipaway

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    This was part of his statement released to Penn State Radio:

  37. agalisgv

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    What a vile, vile man.
  38. heckles

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    His heart wasn't the body part that got him into this mess.
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  40. Twizzler

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    The person known as "Victim 1" is doing an interview tonight on 20/20 at 10:00EST on ABC.