Judge throws out 3 of 51 counts against Sandusky

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  1. milanessa

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    I wonder why he stopped. Don't most pedophiles offend throughout their lives? If he didn't stop then there are younger victims out there.
  2. heckles

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    I suspect there were, but they're too scared to come forward just yet. Some victims don't realize just how impacted they were until well into adulthood, sometimes their 30s or 40s. That's why it's surprising that in a lot of states, the victim has only until two years after hitting the age of majority--age 20-- to take legal action. In 2007, Pennsylvania raised their statute of limitations to the victim's 50th birthday. Hopefully, more states will do this.
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    Good opinion piece about how we look at sports:

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/23/opinion/jones-sandusky/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    I agree with this so much. My father, the former super star high school athlete (he could have played professional baseball, but things didn't work out), constantly explains to us that this or that is different if it is in the context of sports. Hence his opinion that children in the shower with grown men is okay if it was a locker room. At the school I last taught at, the principal was the head football coach. Parents complained to the school board more than once that he called players "retard" and "dumb ass" and otherwise verbally berated them. It was deemed okay by the entire board because of "context"--in other words, as long as it happened on a football field or sideline it was okay. The male teacher who taught in the classroom next door to me constantly yelled at his students during class. A student was complaining in front of me one day that a female teacher "yelled" at them all the time and was just "harsh". I answered that Mr. Next Door yells constantly and this same student admired him. Response: "That's totally different than a woman doing it. He's a coach and he just goes into coach mode and you have to expect that. It doesn't make him a bad teacher."

    There is a double standard in our society for sports. We have to let go of that or all kinds of abuses will continue to be overlooked on fields and courts and in locker rooms.
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  4. tarotx

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    I'll never understand why Penn State hid this and did nothing.So many people reported Sandusky over a long period of time and nothing was done. It makes no sense. Sandusky was an institution at the school but he wasn't a school symbol. Them making sure kids were safe would have given much more a positive then whatever the Sandusky name was adding to the schools appeal.

    Sandusky's wife should at least be prosecuted in the case of her own adopted son so I hope that goes forward. Children need to be safe from coaches but even more definitely from forester and adopted parents.It was the wife's responsibility to make sure the children under her care were protected. But also because she and he created a "safe" haven for children and then hurt and/or allowed children to be hurt, this is even more heartbreaking and ****ed up so they both need the book thrown at them!!!!
  5. Sparks

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    The Sandusky case has brought up many things for me.
    In the '90's I worked along side an ex-priest who was a child molester.
    Right after I met him, I attended his wedding where he became the father of 3 boys. He cried as the 3 boys walked down the aisle ahead of their mother. I was so creeped out - it was like he was marrying those children. After that, he started telling us "funny" stories of wrestling and showering with the boys. I got together with 2 other co-workers and made a call to CYFD. Nothing came of it.
    He was working as a mental health professional and it was obvious he took a special interest in his vunerable, young male clients. Many of us complained to management. A client even filed a compliant, but everything was swept under the rug. He kept moving up the ranks, received awards, and had his photo taken with Senators, the Governor, etc. When we had to be fingerprinted by the FBI, *something* came up and he was put on suspension, BUT returned to work in no time.
    His wife was a clueless, drunk woman who was, imo, happy that she had a husband to take care of her after her bitter divorce.
    I, among others, continuously complained about him, and contacted the media numerous times.
    Finally, the law caught up with him and he was charged with dozens of child molestations in Arizona and California when he was a priest. He was among several perpetrators who were shielded by the Church in Arizona.
    He is currently in jail.
    I'm still so disgusted at how everything was handled. As most pedophiles do, he hid in plain sight for over 12 years. He presented as such a helpful, Christian man. TPTB refused to see what he really was.
    I hope that high profile cases can at least serve to wake people up as to the real nature of pedophiles. Yes, they work and live among us every day and everywhere. :mad:
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  6. Lacey

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    I am not mad at Joe Paterno, may he rest in peace, I actually think he thought he had told the authorities.

    I am not mad at the coach with the red hair, who thought he had reported it to school officials. He should get back his job or a lifetime retirement fund. Strange that one of the charges was what he thought he witnessed in the shower, guess the jury decided they couldn't be sure what crime it really was.

    I am furious at each and every officer of the university, up to and including the former president, because they all knew and closed their eyes. And they should all be placed on leave immediately, if they are still there, charged and prosecuted, and fired if they are not gone already with no retirement if found guilty.

    And yes, you all are correct here, Snaduskey's wife should bear some responsibility. Bad enough that he did things to all of those children. Think about it, he also did them to their own adopted kids. And she knew about everything, must have.

    And I hope they can close his "charity" and get some of the donated money back to distribute to his victims. And sell his house and get his retirement account for them too.

    I hope this is a lesson for pedophiles everywhere.
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  7. Polymer Bob

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    Well, if that filth likes sex in the shower, he should enjoy where he's going.
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    He was only found not guilty on the charge related to sexual assault in the shower, because the jury couldn't conclude that McQuery had actually seen penetration. He was convicted of all the other charges associated with that incident.

    And I don't ever think jail rape is appropriate punishment no matter what the crime.
  9. agalisgv

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    Penn State trying to get out front of anticipated civil suits:
    http://www.philly.com/philly/sports...il_actions.html?cmpid=137039853#ixzz1yfrco6G5
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    I never really believed in witch hunts. They should try to resolve the issue quickly and fairly.
  11. heckles

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    Does that mean that he was found guilty of fondling that specific boy, but not raping him? Did the boy allege he'd been raped?
  12. agalisgv

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    The boy above has never been located. That was the problem--there was no direct testimony in that case.



    ETA: Apparently Sandusky is under suicide watch.
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  13. Lacey

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    The suicide watch is more to give him protection from other inmates than to address his emotional state. But apparently it puts him in solitude, which is not always a great thing.

    With regard to the university's very quick thinking about offers to those who were harmed by Sanduskey, I am naiive not to have thought that they have been waiting these six months with a we're so sorry after all the denials over the years. I mean, talk about a wham bang move.

    I obviously hope that those who were able to testify will get huge quick settlements.

    But I am on the fence about those who have yet to come out of the woodwork, would they take a small offer when they could get a much larger amount from a jury.

    And isn't the bottom line for Penn State that they want to keep their executives (former) out of trouble?

    Also I read something about their insurance company isn't quite so wild about the university offering what the company will have to pay off, they have to agree and might (probably wrongly) think that they could get off with less.
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    He was found guilty of several counts related to that boy (I forget the exact name of the charges) but not the specific deviant sexual assault charge. So, it seems that the jury felt that there was clearly very, very inappropriate, sexual behavior demonstrated, but not enough evidence to convict on the rape charge itself.
  15. purple skates

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    I'm no expert on insurance, but I would think that the willful misconduct by Penn State officials in not investigating/stopping the abuses could negate the insurance policy in this instance.
  16. barbk

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    Sandusky's attorney seems to be doing everything possible to create grounds for an appeal. Given the many inappropriate things he's said outside of court during the trial and the deliberations, the poor job he did on the defense, whatever Second Mile and Sandusky paid him was way too much. (I'm not defending Sandusky in the least, but nobody deserves a lawyer like that.)
  17. agalisgv

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    Unfortunately attorney misconduct is rarely if ever a sufficient reason for an appeal.
  18. milanessa

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    Did anyone see the Anderson Cooper interview with Joe Amendola (Sandusky's lawyer) the night of the verdict? More specifically his comments while he was being miked and readying himself to be on air. Completely inappropriate, IMO. When Jason Carroll, the CNN reporter on the scene, told him they were going to hook him up (fit his microphone) he responded "With who? Is she cute?" (that may not be a direct quote but it's close.) He sounded punch drunk.

    I found it on YT:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfrY1JUwwv8
  19. Polymer Bob

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    I don't have all the details in front of me, but I seem to recall that they DID investigate. :confused:
  20. purple skates

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    There's no way there wasn't a huge cover-up going on.

    http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...als-suspected-coverup-by-penn-state-officials

  21. Lacey

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    I read either Friday or Saturday night that both of his lawyers tried to quit at the last moment before the start of the trial, but the judge knew about it and said no no no.
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    I did see that and couldn't believe the unprofessionalism. The word "smarmy" comes to mind, but what do I know. I have heard in several reports that he is THE man to go to if you need to get things done in Central PA. (Although that didn't ring true in this case, thankfully!)

    Most of the experts that were interviewed on CNN that night were practically hysterical with laughter that Amendola thinks he can be granted an appeal.
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...k-floyd-lyrics-by-prison-inmates-report-says/

    And apparently Sandusky's lawyer is still talking:
    With an advocate like that, who needs a prosecutor?
  24. Polymer Bob

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    I guess he will be very popular in prison. :yikes:
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    I'd be surprised if he was left in the general population given his notoriety.

    Does Pennsylvania have special units to jail the elderly?
  26. Sparks

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    Yes they do.
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    They don't segregate young men from hardened criminals who rape them or prey on them in other ways. Why should a child rapist be given special privileges? Let him sink or swim just like everyone else in prison.
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    http://news.yahoo.com/joe-paterno-p...use-avoid-122654613--abc-news-topstories.html

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    I wish JoePa had lived to see his legacy ruined. He deserved to be publicly disgraced.
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  31. purple skates

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    I was feeling a small bit sorry for him and his legacy when the whole thing broke and he was still alive, but definitely not now.
  32. Sparks

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    IMO, anyone who is complicit in the cover-up is just as guilty as the child-rapist.
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    This is a prime example of how covering up makes EVERYTHING worse. Sure, had they dropped the hammer on Sandusky in 1998 there would have been some bad press for PSU and Paterno. But in the long run, they would have been seen as doing the right thing.

    Now they look like criminals (as they are) and they have caused innocent children incredible harm. And the bad press they are getting now, plus the likely 100million lawsuit(s) that they will have to pay out have cause far more damage than had they merely done the right thing.

    PSU is going to deserve every penalty that is going to come there way.
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    So are some others besides Sanduskey going to fry in court?

    And are any of these Penn State people still employed by the university? I think they fired the President, but what about the Athletic Director, others?

    I hope no one settles easily, the victims deserve big bucks and to see them all fired.
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    This is absolutely damning. I hope all those PSU fans who were dumb enough to riot when JoPa was fired and who acted like his legacy being tarnished made him a victim, recognize how stupid they were. But I'v already seen comments that make it clearl that they do not.

    I've seen a lot of people comment that the NCAA should seriously be considering giving PSU the death penalty. I would bet money that they don't. Penn State makes the NCAA a boatload of money. The NCAA isn't really about costing themselves money when they dole out penalties.
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    What this men did is absolutely vile. Are any of them facing prison time?

    Those poor boys :(
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    BTW, Paterno's son Jay was just on ESPN defending his Dad. Except, he didn't call him Dad, or Pop, or Father, he called him Joe. Very strange IMO. He also went on and on about the report being "not sworn testimony", and alluding to details that have yet to come out or things that wont be confirmed in a trial.

    It's just sad that the Paterno family is so strident in their defense of Joe. I think they should just say that they are sorry this all happened and that they hoped that the public would remember the man that was beloved for over 60 years.
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  38. Twizzler

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    This is what I don't get. People (JoPa and accomplices) say they were trying to avoid bad press. If you know someone on your staff is continuously doing things this vile, how can it be anything but good press to alert authorities and do whatever it takes to bring down the perpetrator? I would think way more highly of an institution that did that instead of the way PSU handled it.
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    IIRC, two or three are facing perjury charges for "covering up" under oath. It seems that there was no legal requirement to report the abuse, so they can't get nailed for failing to do so. Hope that the victims are able to hold their feet to the fire in a civil suit, since I don't think the criminal law system will be able to do much more. Paterno is the only one I'm not worried about ... he's facing justice (IMO).
  40. Theatregirl1122

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    I don't believe that is true. As a University, shouldn't both the institution and the individuals be able to be prosecuted under the Clery Act?