JSF decides whether specifies Ando as certified athlete by the preliminary comptition

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  1. Akira Andrea

    Akira Andrea Well-Known Member

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    JSF intends to observe her in the preliminary competition of Japan Nationals for deciding whether specifies Ando who returned to the competition as the certified athlete.
    June 19th, 2013

    By Kyodo News
    In June 19th, Hideto Iot, the chairperson of figure skating department of Japan Skating Federation, released that they send a member of reinforcement part to the area block event of the preliminary competition of Japan Nationals for observing Miki Ando who is the former Worlds champion and plans to return to the Sochi Olympics season.
    It says that it decides whether or not to specify to the certified athlete who can participate to the international competition.
    Because Ando who continued the rest for a long time did not the entry to GP series, it is the condition for participating to Olympics to clear the minimum technical point which ISU specified. Ito chairperson said, "The reinforcement part goes to observe her to the area block event. If her result is good, we specifies her to the certified athlete and lets her go to get the minimum technical point to an international competition. There is a road to Olympics for her yet". Ando must break through the preliminary competition, too, because she must participate to Japan Nationals which the Japan representative of Olympics is selected in.

    The article:
    JSF intends to observe her in the preliminary competition of Japan Nationals for deciding whether specifies Ando who returned to the competition as the certified athlete.
    http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/sports/figureskate/headlines/article/20130619-00000051-kyodo_sp
     
  2. npavel

    npavel Well-Known Member

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    has she got a coach?
     
  3. Jeschke

    Jeschke Well-Known Member

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    come on miki, rock that thing :D
     
  4. Akira Andrea

    Akira Andrea Well-Known Member

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    According to the new selection standard of Olympic representative of Japan Skating Federation, the 1st entry among the 3 entries for Sochi Olympics which Japan have selects the winner of Japan Nationals.
    Therefore, for miserable Miki Ando who is out of GP series, the world standing and ISU season best score, a few opportunity for participating to Sochi Olympics would be reserved yet.
     
  5. Jeschke

    Jeschke Well-Known Member

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    bad mouth would say, japanese fed did all they could :D
     
  6. Akira Andrea

    Akira Andrea Well-Known Member

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    However, this selecting method gives the chance being able to participate to Sochi Olympics to all participant of Japan Nationals.
    For a player and for a fan, it is better than nothing to be even a few chance because of being able to keep a motivation.
     
  7. rosewood

    rosewood Well-Known Member

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    Japan Nats will be really tough again :rockstar::EVILLE::encore::inavoid::40beers::eek::kickass:
     
  8. arakwafan2006

    arakwafan2006 Active Member

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    I love you for this!! lololol!!!
     
  9. Jeschke

    Jeschke Well-Known Member

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    that's for sure; I never was a fan of their method to send the best of the gpf, because some grand prixs were harder to get on podium than others to win. (although i have to admit that this rule secures andos 2010 spot, which she, in my opinion have earned despite her 4th place finish at nationals anyway).

    but what i want to say, for me this seems more like a 'open' rule, to let the japanese fed decides who they want to sent to sochi.
    for skaters like nishino, imai, oda, machida it'll be he really hard to get to sochi, if they place 2nd or 3rd.

    let's see what happened; i so badly want to see ando back on the ice and back in the game, but this is the first thing to happen, so we'll see.
     
  10. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    Did I misunderstand the selection criteria? I thought only skater in first place at Nationals was guaranteed a spot in Sochi, and the silver and bronze medalists would be considered along with gold and silver medalists from GPF, skaters with the three highest Season's Best scores and the three highest World Standings placements by the end of Japanese Nationals.

    Ando has no WS points, and the most she could earn is 500 by winning two fall Senior B's; that would make her the 11th Japanese woman on the WS list. The Japanese Federation document mentions top 3 Season's Best score by the end of Japanese Nationals, which suggests they are using scores from the Fall, but are they using the ISU definition? If they do use the ISU definition, they could possibly send her to Nebelhorn, if there's enough room, because Nebelhorn, as the Olympic qualifier, counts towards the 2013-14 SB list. If they mean scores earned at any ISU-recognized international, then they could send her to any number of fall competitions. She isn't eligible for any GP spot except a host pick, which means Suzuki, Asada, or Miyahara would have to withdraw.
     
  11. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    The GPF rule allowed Onda instead of Arakawa to go to SLC back in 2002, which was extremely unfair because Arakawa skated in tougher GPs and also skated better in them than Onda did in hers. The 2002 team should have been Suguri and Arakawa.

    If Ando were to come back and the Japanese Fed were to send her to Sochi, Suzuki is probably at the most risk of being sacrificed. Asada is still a medal hope and Murakami is the future hope. Honestly though, I hope the Japanese Fed would let the skating speaks for itself. They pushed Ando to Turin despite her Nationals placement and it backfired for them. And do we know if Ando requested GP assignments at all? I am not sure if she even had a coach or even publicly confirmed her comeback. Without GP assignments, Ando is going to be so untested at Sochi anyway. (she will only have to achieve the minimum score at some random competition probably...)
     
  12. Marco

    Marco Missing Ziggy

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    All the Japanese Fed needs to do to ensure Ando is eligible for selection is to send her to some competition for her to achieve the minimum score and make sure she places top 3 at Nationals (with some inflated PCS and some URs for Suzuki like they did in 2009).
     
  13. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    I was trying to figure out how that statement that "However, this selecting method gives the chance being able to participate to Sochi Olympics to all participant of Japan Nationals" pertained to the the selection process, apart from the top skater being guaranteed a spot and the second and third being considered, but not guaranteed a spot. If it means that all skaters participating at Japanese Nationals have a chance to place 1, 2, or 3, this makes sense.

    There's no definition of "Season's Best," i.e., whether they are using the ISU definition, which, for Fall 2013-14 would include scores from Nebelhorn, JGP's, JGPF, GP, and GPF, or if it includes all Senior internationals. If the former, then they'd have to send her to Nebelhorn, but the fields are limited and not all countries that have already earned spots at the Olympics will be able to send someone, or replace a Japanese skater at NHK. Otherwise, a podium finish at Japanese Nationals is Ando's only chance to meet the selection criteria.
     
  14. Jeschke

    Jeschke Well-Known Member

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    remember ando won bronze this year at worlds with great programs, finished the worlds as best japanese. torino was the only 'downfall' of her. since 2004 miki was never 3rd ranked japanese at any worlds. she won, was best or 2nd of the japanese girls.

    don't misunderstand me; i like suzukis fire and murakami, not to speak of asada, and it's sad to see, that surely (if ando comes back) one of them has to stay at home. but please let the skating speak for itself, ando has to prove she's on form and to be honest, she has one shot at nationals, suzuki and murakami ca build momentum during gp series, but they have to prove too taht they're no headcases like seen in earlier times.
     
  15. Akira Andrea

    Akira Andrea Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, my comment is not the result of the strict considering.
    I simply felt "That the 1st entry among the 3 entries for the Sochi Olympics is decided to the winner of Japan Nationals is meaning that anybody who has won in Japan Nationals has a chance to participate to Sochi Olympics".

    Almost you are right. But, as for Miki Ando, she can't participate to Nebelhorn in September, because she must participate to "Chubu championships 2013" which is the first step of preliminary competition of Japan Nationals, in same September at least.

    After observing the result of Miki Ando in the said competition in September, JSF decides whether sending her to some international competitions after September for getting minimum technical point.
    Therefore, she can't get ISU season best score.
    Moreover, Miki Ando must participate to "West Japan Championship 2013" which is the second step of the preliminary competiton of Japan Nationals in November.
     
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2013
  16. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    Many thanks Akira Andrea!

    Ando hasn't competed in championships since she won Worlds in 2011. Her last international competitionwas the Japan Open in October 2011, where she was last, almost 20 points behind Czisny. She hasn't announced that she has a coach or any programs.

    It isn't impossible, by any means, for her to come back, but she has a lot of work to do.
     
  17. Jeschke

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    yes, my point was only, suzuki did herself no favours in being an absolut headcase at 2 of 3 worlds she has been to. she got a silver medal with not the best competition, but i'm happy for her, because silver is closer where she belongs to than 12th or 13th.
    so suzuki and murakami udn everyone else just should show that they deserve this spot too like miki has to do the same thing too.

    i doubt we will see her again, this would answer all questions, but who knows.

    she has a sp which was prepared for last season to 'lawrence of arabia', choreo by lambiel, but there is not too much time for a fs, coaches, etc., you're right.

    i just wanted to point out, that she always has been there and delivered when it has counted; (despite torino, where she was really young and a lot of pressure on her and gothenburg 2008 with her injury)
     
  18. Akira Andrea

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    This is an article in "Kyodo News" in Japan.
    Translating to English from Japanese.

    Ando is in negotiation with a coach now.
    At present, she is training in the domestic base.
    June 28th, 2013 JST

    June 28th, Miki Ando who is the former Worlds champion and comes back to the competition in the Sochi Olympics season, disclosed that she is in negotiation about the coach who is vacant seat now, saying "I am in negotiation with a coach. I releases it if it has been decided 100%".
    She places a practice base in the domestic at present and plans to go to US for the choreography of the free program in July.

    Ando maintained that she had been prohibited to participate to the ice show because she didn't participate to the GP series in last year. Ando said, "I am in situation that I can't announce a goal now because JSF does not give me the opportunity, too, to participate to the international event yet".

    The article:
    Ando is in negotiation with a coach now.
    http://www.47news.jp/CN/201306/CN2013062801002637.html
     
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2013
  19. allezfred

    allezfred Old and Immature Admin Staff Member

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    Somehow I don't think Arakawa is too upset about the way things turned out. ;)
     
  20. VIETgrlTerifa

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    No, but I am since I think Arakawa would have been much more pleasing to watch in both SLC and Worlds that season. :p
     
  21. Akira Andrea

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    This is an article in "Sports Hochi" in Japan.
    Translating of the excerpt of the article to English from Japanese.

    MIki intends to return to the competition in earnest from Kanto Championship in October.
    June 29th, 2013 JST

    The photo:
    Photography: by Sports Hochi
    Miki Ando is showing the aureate performance.
    http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/zoomImage/20130628-OHT9I00143.htm

    In June 28th, it found that Miki Ando (25) who is the former Worlds champion and was resting for 2 consecutive seasons decided participation in Kanto championship (at Kawagoe Skate Center in Saitama in October 11th-14th) as the first competition for returning in earnest to the regular season competition.

    Kanto Championship is the regional block preliminary competition for getting the qualification to participate to Japan Nationals (in Saitama Sports Arena in December 21st-23rd) which is the final selection meeting of the representative of Olympics. For Ando who is out of the certified athlete of JSF, it becomes the first barrier for aiming at Sochi Olympics.
    At first, the participation to Chubu Championship (in Aichi in September 26th-29th) was expected but seems to have considered a long time for adjustment.

    The article:
    MIki intends to return to the competition in earnest from Kanto Championship.
    http://hochi.yomiuri.co.jp/sports/winter/news/20130628-OHT1T00162.htm


    Reference:
    As for the preliminary competition for Japan Nationals, there is 2 barriers.
    The first barrier is a regional block competition. For the first barrier, Japan is separated 6 regional blocks. There are 6 regional block competitions corresponding to 6 regional blocks.
    Those are "Tohoku-Hokkaido Championship", "Kanto Championship", "Tokyo Championship", "Chubu Championship", "Kinki Championship" and "Chugoku-Shikoku-Kushu Championship".

    The second barrier is a section competition. For the section competition, Japan is separated to the eastern section and the western section. There are 2 section championships corresponding to those sections. Those are "Higashi Nihon Championship" and "Nishi Nihon Championship".
     
  22. NMURA

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    I think Ando has avoided Chubu regionals because Murakami or Suzuki could participate.
     
  23. mathil

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    Akiko should be there for sure, because if I remember correctly the only skaters that are guaranteed a bye to Nationals are those that medaled the previous year. So she has to do regionals, right?
     
  24. NMURA

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    Suzuki can get a bye if she could get an assignment to a senior B in the same or following weekend. But it's unlikelly. The JSF seems to be cutting expenditures now and Japanese yen was devaluated more than 20% in six months.

    There's a possibility of Japan Open, though.
     
  25. N_Halifax

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    The whole qualifying process is not without precedent. This past season (for instance) Emanuel Sandhu had to qualify for Canadian Nationals. In the 1991/1992 season, Jill Trenary had to go through the U.S.'s qualifying system after winning the World Championships 2 years previous, even though she ultimately didn't end up competing at Nationals that year. If they want to make you go through the hoops, federations can.
     
  26. Akira Andrea

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    I think you are right, but there is the case which she receives an exemption if she want to participate to any international competition in the same period because she is a special certified athlete of JSF. Murakami doesn't need to participate to the preliminary competition because she is the seeded player of Japan Nationals, but she tends to participate to the competition for accumulating competition experience.
     
  27. all_empty

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    Johnny Weir had to go through qualifying as well. I believe it was first year he won Nationals.
     
  28. NMURA

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    Ando has officially registered with Kanagawa prefectural skating federation. If she wants to compete at Japanese nationals, she must go through Kanto regionals and Eastern Japan sectionals. In this way, she can avoid any of rivals (esp. Suzuki and Miyahara) until nationals. Kanto regionals is the weakest field. Probably no one (except Ando herself) can break 130 points. Imai will be competing at Eastern sectionals. Losing to her is possible and it will be an embarrassment.
     
  29. kwanfan1818

    kwanfan1818 I <3 Kozuka

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    I don't think it would necessarily be an embarrassment. It will be four-five months into her training and a month or two before Japanese Nationals, no? She might be right on track, especially if Imai has an excellent competition and it's close.
     
  30. Akira Andrea

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    Because there is about ten entries to Japan Nationals from East Japan Sectionals, the number of entries is too sufficient for Ando and Imai. The result of the Sectionals doesn't influence to the result of Japan Nationals. I think that their places in the Sectionals don't become any embarrassment in Japan Nationals except the impression to the inspector of JSF who is sent to inspect Ando's capability.
     
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