Johnny Weir's Withdrawal at 03 Nationals

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  1. TheIronLady

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    Did Johnny Weir have a real injury from hitting the boards at 2003 Nationals? Does he still claim this today? Or does he admit he withdrew because his performance went so abysmally and he was so mentally rattled?
  2. mmscfdcsu

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    Did you see the horrible fall on the triple axel? How could you skate after pretty mych falling from the speed of the jump into the splits on the ice? :confused: Did you see the way the leg was twisted?
  3. purple skates

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    Does it really matter?
  4. Wyliefan

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    I have a feeling that this is "Skating with the Stars"-related.
  5. psycho

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    The injury was real. Any more questions?
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    How can you know from the video whether he was really hurt or not? That's impossible so it is unfair to assume he was faking it. I was in Dallas and I remember thinking it looked like he was really hurt.
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  8. TheIronLady

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    It looked to me like he was mentally disoriented by the board crash and completely lost his confidence. He was only 18, and I think he wasn't a mature competitor yet. I don't pretend to know at all. I just wondered if anyone knew what Johnny says today. What did he say about it in Pop Star on Ice/BGJW?
  9. reese

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    I'm sure he broke his leg in 2 or 3 places, otherwise he'd definitely have been back out there. You have to skate through anything! Illness and injury are no excuse! I don't care if you are puking during crossovers, you get out there and skate! No excuses! Johnny is not a skater who ever makes excuses for himself or his results.
  10. Carolla5501

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    Johnny just put himself back in play for the Disaster in Dallas. His IDIOTIC remarks on his "show" last night. According to him there's NO EXCUSE and you should perform no MATTER WHAT! So he has NO excuse for Dallas!!! LOL!


    According to Weir you skate against medical advice so... what's his excuse?

    So yes, now it "matters" but it's HIS fault that it's back on this board.
  11. doubleflutz

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    Hitting the boards is not why he withdrew. He restarted the program after crashing into the boards and went through it just fine in full attack mode, landed a few jumps, then pretty much ripped himself apart on his solo triple axel. "LOLOLOLOL he crashed into the boards and then withdrew with a fake injury because he was too scared to keep skating, what a loser" is not what happened at all.
  12. judiz

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    If I remember correctly, Johnny said in PSOI that he felt humiliated and is now sorry he didn't attempt to finish the program even with the knee injury.
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  14. sk9tingfan

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    Well, let's just put this into context. Johnny was 18 years old at the time and is now quite a bit wiser. In fact, based on what I saw at NHK last year with his sinus infection, as a trained medical professional, I didn't think that it was smart for him to compete. He was running a temp of at least 102 before the SP and was so congested, his face was swollen and I'm sure his equilibrium was significantly affected. But, compete he did.
  15. briancoogaert

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    Well, I don't care. COnsidering the awful fall he had, I don't have any problem with his withdrawal.
  16. Cheylana

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    I don't have a problem with Johnny's withdrawal at Nationals either, but he did open himself to accusations of hypocrisy by saying Brandon should have skated last night even though he was sick. This is not Evan at the Olympics with the stomach flu, or Elvis skating through a groin injury, we're talking about someone with very little experience skating on a good day, and zero experience skating through illness, so I can't blame Brandon for not skating last night. But anyway, I think Johnny said it to generate a little bit of buzz, so it doesn't really bother me.
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    I just watched the video (again, before I got involved), and that looked pretty bad. I'm amazed he went back in after he hit the boards. I have no clue what he said last night, but I assume it was along the lines of, today in this position, he would have stayed in? I don't know that that's a very good idea. :/
  18. Cheylana

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    Wait, are you saying you don't watch the critically acclaimed Skating with the Stars? :p
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    Wiser?? Last night he sounded "snarkier" but "wiser" I don't think advising folks to ignore medical advice is the sign of "wisdom".

    Sadly, his actions since the Olympics make me question his "wisdom" and that of those providing him advice!
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    Haha, well, I have yet to see the episodes. :)

    Ontopic, I've heard he left Dallas with crutches after the injury.
  21. essence_of_soy

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    Too bad he withdrew. I really liked his Cirque Du Soleil short and his Dr Zhivago free skate.
  22. museksk8r

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    Yes, I preferred early Johnny too from the 2006 Olympic cycle! He didn't seem himself in the 2010 Olympic cycle and his programs were not as strong as early on in his career. JMO.
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    If this was true then why the public hasn't heard about it until now? I mean if an athlete was "carried by four Korean doctors to the middle of the ice", don't you think the picture and story would be all over the news the next day since it was the Olympic ?
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    IMO, these comments are cruel and unwarranted. Brandon is ill now ... I wonder if Johnny would have liked it if someone made the same comments about him right when he was in pain after 2003 Nats (as opposed to a more theoretical comment made at a later date). Also, skating is not the main job of the show celebs, so to hold them to the same standard given to professional skaters is simply unrealistic, if not stupid.
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    That latter statement about 4 Korean doctors did not concern his 2006 Olympic experience. it was about his December performance in Korea about 2 years ago, when he got so sick he needed IV fluids to combat dehydration. About mononucleosis during the Olympics; that is also true. Johnny was feeling tired all the time prior to the Olympics, but a definitive diagnosis did not occur until he got home to the US. By that time, it was water under the bridge.
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    Not to mention, question of hypocrisy aside, Brandon's not only not a "real" skater, he's a very beginner skater who would have been expected to LIFT A GIRL while not feeling well. We're talking putting not just Brandon's health and safety at risk but Keauna's. Maybe some of the "pro" guys are strong enough skaters they could have the flu and not risk dropping their partner, but is that a chance Brandon or the show wanted to take?
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  28. Rex

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    This is the first time I've heard of it myself. I know his foot was messed up at Worlds in Moscow, but when was he this sick?
  29. igniculus

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    About the Korean doctors, here is a pic that was featured on Ice Network when that issue happened. And one from his Cyworld.

    2008 December, at Kim Yeona's Angels on Ice show, shortly before 2009 Nationals (where he skated disastrous due to loosing training time of the sickness).
  30. Rex

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    Agreed. You articulated it way better than I ever could have. Thanks.
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    "If you're required to perform, you perform," - that works not only in FS, but in show business as well. All stars should be aware of this. That's one of the unwritten rules for the performers. Of course, those celebrities are not skating pros, but nothing near pro level is required from them. By the way, Brooke and Rebecca skated with injuries the same day, it was kinda unfair to them to let Brandon be judged by rehearsal tape.
    As for risk of dropping the partner - come on, people, they fall multiple times in practices and no one gives a damn.
  32. Rex

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    Maybe what Brandon has is contagious?
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    And if they'd sliced tendons they probably wouldn't be skating either, though again--the girl is not doing the lifting. Injured hand =/= compromised balance and perception. Look what happens when ACTUAL skaters go wrong. (T/M at Skate America, anyone? And all he did was slip a bit.) The show is going to care if they have a live-on-camera severe head or neck trauma.

    "The show must go on" makes a nice sound bite, but it's not something reasonable medical professionals pay any attention to. They even have a DWTS precedent--back injury, unable to perform, judge the tape.
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    I read that Brandon had food poisoning. Hence the host's comment about puke on the ice which was nauseating in itself. lol I kinda agree with danceroice. This isn't the Olympics. I don't think the kid should have had to compete if he was really really sick especially since there was the option of judging the rehearsal tape. Then again he is contractually obligated. I guess no one can judge how bad off he was unless they were there. It just seems that since Keauna was all suited up and waiting, he was better and was considering competing but then wussed out. So who knows what the reality was.
  35. museksk8r

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    Johnny is serving the Simon Cowell role in this show; it's to be expected that his comments are going to be laced with bitchery and create controversy. It's hilarious that so many are taking this show so seriously. :blah:
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    I think the 2003 meltdown had a lot to do with inexperience. As I recall he started skating at a pretty late age (for an international elite skater).

    In other words he had a few less years less experience with competition than other skaters his age. Learning how to compete is just as important (and hard) as learning the elements...
  37. danceronice

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    There's bitchery but Johnny really should have thought about that one, given his own track record. He had to KNOW what people were going to bring up.

    And oddly, he's more like Len. (Besides the middle seat.) He seems to mostly do the reasoned, informed critique. Then there's cloudcuckoolander Dick on one side (as a less-perverted Bruno) and Whasserface about one massive crying jag away from being Carrie Anne.

    And if it was food poisoning, I hope he can practice well. That is not a fun feeling. If you [general you] have not experienced it: you throw up everything you have eaten for ever or at least you feel like it, and in the case I had there was a fever and splitting headache. Forget skating, I was lying on my bathroom floor because I was afraid I wouldn't make it the twenty feet across my apartment. I really would not want to see someone on live TV trying to hold themselves together (though I have heard vomit, like blood, bounces on ice, I'm not that curious.)
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    His track record is that he has competed countless times while sick and injured. Just off the top of my head: SC 2006, Worlds 2005, 2006, Nationals 2008, NHK 2008, 2009, not to mention he has walked the walk in the EXACT SAME situation as Brandon's at the Korean X-mas charity show. You might think his POV is stupid/unwise/mean, but the fact remains, he holds himself to the same standard he holds Brandon.

    Acting like the his Dallas performance ( not the same situation but let's pretend for argument's sake) is a sign of hypocrisy is not even a good argument: did Johnny ever claim that it was a proud moment? No. He has always been embarrassed by it. Did he tell Brandon skaters don't withdraw? No. He said if you want top marks, you ignore doctor's orders and push through. Brandon didn't show up and didn't get top marks. He still scored higher than some people who did show up. In skating, if you don't show up you don't get scores at all.
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  40. Susan M

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    ITA, and the two instances are not really in the same context at all. In Johnny's case 03 Nationals was a sporting event. In sports, injured athletes can sometimes "tough it out" but sometimes they have to withdraw from the game. SWTS is a television show and comes not so much under the rules of the athletic field but under the mores of television and theater (where "the show must go on.")