Johnny Weir's next role: Hidden dragon (USA Today article)

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  1. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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    He never bought the NYC condo, according to a fan meeting interview in Russia in March 2011 (part 2 of video): http://www.fsuniverse.net/forum/showthread.php?77947-Johnny-Weir-news-quotes-and-articles-v-3

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    You're welcome. I'm interested in Johnny Weir the competitive skater and I prefer to read his blogs about his own skating and training.
     
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  2. Yazmeen

    Yazmeen Well-Known Member

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    I adored Johnny when he first came on the scene, remember telling my husband to listen to him skate; he had quiet edges and moves, just like Michelle Kwan. He was brilliant; however, the operative word here is was. Too many distractions got in the way, too many histrionics and attention-getting schemes and ridiculous interviews and grabs for the spotlight. I still think Johnny has moments of brilliance, but my basic attitude anymore toward him as a skater is "Shut-up and SKATE!!!!" Otherwise, have the grace to back off from the competitive scene at least and figure out what the next steps in life are.
     
  3. Sylvia

    Sylvia Bring on the JGP & Sr B comps!

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  4. judiz

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    Johnny looked at a condo as part of a tv show called Selling New York but he never intended to buy one. If you look at his and his husband's tweets you will see they live in a two bedroom apartment in the (to quote Springsteen) swamps of Jersey.
     
  5. judiz

    judiz Well-Known Member

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    Johnny never landed a clean quad, he tends to double foot them. I really think he has a mental block about doing the quad and that's why they are so hard for him to land.
     
  6. aftershocks

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    Apparently, that's how you are perceiving and interpreting my posts. As a matter of course, if I say something that someone else doesn't view in the same fashion, then it's my opinion, whether or not I include IMO in every single sentence. This is a message board and everyone has a go at what they have to say at all times. Some people agree and some don't. And frankly, it seems to me that it's my posts others often take personally.

    When I first came here, the most innocuous and doting comment by a Johnny fan who was new to the board would be jumped all over in a brutal fashion which made many of Johnny's devoted fans stay away or rarely post, especially not in Johnny threads. I am opinionated and I don't mind sharing my viewpoints, so I say what I have to say and let the chips fall where they may. There are apparently many people here who do not share my perceptions of Johnny, but so what. Does that mean I'm supposed to conform my views to the status quo? If I have a differing view and I feel like voicing it, I do so. It's up to others how they perceive what I say. Why take it personally? :)
     
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  7. OliviaPug

    OliviaPug Well-Known Member

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    I think it's absolutely fine to share viewpoints on Johnny. Like him, don't like him, whatever.

    BUT, let's separate fact from opinion. Fact: Johnny wrote in his book that he a faked an injury to get out of a competition.

    That's a lot different than someone posting that they believe Johnny always fakes injuries to get out of competition.

    I do think it's reasonable for someone, based on Johnny's own statement, to doubt Johnny's credibility where his injuries are concerned.

    I like Johnny's skating. Always have. I don't really follow Johnny's life, so I have no opinion there except that I hope he's enjoying it!

    O-
     
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  8. Rex

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    I think you are the one taking it personally, because you make it a point to respond to almost every post about him...
     
  9. spikydurian

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    PEACE ON EARTH AND GOODWILL ONTO MEN AND WOMEN :saint:
    (have to be politically correct)
     
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  11. StereoLove

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    Johnny, never ceases to be interesting....:)
     
  12. overedge

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    Yet another example of opinion, not fact. A look at the archives will show otherwise.

    And, incidentally, this is not a Johnny fan board. It's a discussion forum. A poster who only wants to discuss Johnny as being :saint: and to respond with :lynch: to anyone who says something otherwise - they shouldn't be surprised if they are not warmly welcomed.

    It's apparently "what" enough for you to pronounce at every possible opportunity that your perceptions are accurate, and anyone with a different perception is wrong, reading-challenged, or struggling with personal issues.
     
  13. SkateFan66

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    :respec:
     
  14. Rex

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    :respec: THANK you, overedge!
     
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    Oh, he's landed them alright in practice. He's even landed them in a three-jump combination in practice. But I agree, he does seem to have a mental block about doing the quadruple toe loop in competition.
     
  16. aftershocks

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    Yeah, well I witnessed it happening a few times some years ago. I have also spoken to Johnny fans who’ve felt that way. Have fun taking a look at the archives.


    Thanks for pointing out the obvious. :p As I already said in an earlier post in this thread, this is a skating fan forum where people have a go at speaking their mind and no one is ever going to agree 100% with everyone.


    There are many fans with differing opinions regarding Johnny, but the most vocal ones here seem to be those who hold negative opinions. And so if I and a couple of other people post more positive reflections and less angry with Johnny perspectives, that does not mean we think Johnny is a saint, but seemingly without fail that’s how you and others who share your opinion perceive it.


    That’s entirely your perception, and if that’s how you and Rex perceive the intention of my comments, then your views are true for each of you. Since you are the one who mentioned it, overedge, perhaps it’s you who unwittingly feels that my perceptions are more accurate. I don’t control how you or anyone else thinks or feels.

    Like everyone who posts on FSU, I’ll post when I have something to say in whatever thread on whatever topic. As far as Johnny, it might seem to you and Rex as if I comment on “almost every post about him, at every possible opportunity.” Again, that appears to be both your perceptions, however exaggerated and inaccurate, not to mention impossible for me to accomplish. Maybe it’s a back-handed compliment that you two think I’d even have the inclination to try. :p

    Often in Johnny threads, not even a bit of satirical humor will help to turn down the heat or staunch the flow of self-righteous outrage against Mr. Weir, and against any outspoken fan who has the effrontery to disagree with some negative comments and to express more expansive, yet not completely uncritical views.

    It seems overedge, that you and Rex are particularly focused on examining my posts and the intent behind them. Perhaps you and Rex should stop taking my posts so personally. ;)


    Since Johnny is such a polarizing figure, IMO, he should be included on that Bleacher Report list of the 50 most loved/ hated athletes.
     
  17. overedge

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    I've already done that, thanks. I know what they show.

    It's a skating DISCUSSION forum. If someone is a fan of a particular skater, and wants to discuss the wonderfulness of that particular skater with other fans, there are plenty of places online for a skater's fan to do exactly that.


    Just a wild and crazy guess, but I'm guessing that perception is created when you fly off the handle and attack nearly every opinion or post even vaguely critical of Johnny's actions, or behaviours.

    Seriously? Is this your idea of reasonable discussion? Anyone who wants to can look through Johnny threads and get a pretty idea of your posting style, and how far, far different it is from what you claim it is.
     
  18. aftershocks

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    Ah yes, overedge, you seem to be the self-appointed perfect person to preach about reasonable discussion and to tsk tsk about flying off the handle. Since you perceive that I "attack nearly every opinion or post even vaguely critical of Johnny's actions or behaviors," then obviously that's true in your view and whoever else's who sees it that way. :yawn:

    Par for kerfuffles in Johnny threads. I'll bet what you term as my attacks aren't going to stop anyone from expressing their negative opinions of Mr. Weir. :drama:


    I doubt that anyone interested in what you deem to be my posting style needs to search Johnny threads to gain a "pretty idea" of it. I haven't claimed anything about a "posting style," but obviously you are personally engaged with the way you perceive it.

    For the moment, my posting style should probably be to admonish my own ego to ignore anymore of your ego's "wild and crazy guesses." :p
     
  19. misskarne

    misskarne Spirit. Focus. Ability. Tenacity. Aussie Grit.

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    aftershocks, I can name flaws in every single one of my favourites. I am more than willing to talk about said flaws, too. I accept that they are not perfect.

    You seem completely unable to accept that Johnny is not only not perfect but attack those who dare point out his flaws. I assume the reminder that he has faked illness and injury before struck a nerve with you, with the vigour you came out with to dismiss it as nothing important!
     
  20. Justathoughtabl

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    I'm one of those people who dared to express positive feelings toward Johnny and was roundly told that this is a discussion board, not a fan board, that Johnny is not a saint, etc, etc. All things i knew. I was also sent a PM informing me that I was not the only one whose overall opinion of Johnny is positive, but that aside from a few people, most of those had been driven away because they had been made to feel uncomfortable. I, too, eventually stopped posting. The whole thing is just silly. My opinion is that fans of Johnny are far too forgiving/willing to turn a blind eye to his flaws (far more forgiving than Johnny himself, who can be quite self-critical) but that others are far too critical every time Johnny proves himself to be human. Johnny probably would have been better off not admitting that he faked injury at age 20 or whatever it was. If he had just put in the time and effort to forge a perfect image, he wouldn't be under such scrutiny now. But my personal preference is that I'm drawn to people who are flawed but openly so. Johnny is like everyone else. He does wonderful things, he does terrible things, he does responsible things, he does irresponsible things. But since he is an athlete in a sport where being a "bad boy" is not a good fit, he is subject to more criticism than your average person who acted like a jerk at times in their 20s. Again, the amount of energy spent debating each of Johnny's words and actions is amazing.I'm now content to just sit back and marvel at this board, where people on both sides seem to derive a lot of pleasure in the debate. Stepping away from posting again. I just hope everyone stays civil!
    BTW, to state the obvious, we don't really know any of these people. We've seen enough athletes fall from grace lately to see that everything is smoke and mirrors anyway. I really try to take everything, good and bad, with a grain of salt these days.
     
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  21. Wyliefan

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    I don't think I've ever seen the expression "par for kerfuffles" before. Live and learn.
     
  22. tarotx

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    Johnny seems to provoke passion any way...
     
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    Johnny was on the Bravo show "Kathy" the other day.

    I did not know he was a millionaire. I recall the idea years back to have him go on Suze Orman's show, or at least speak with her. Maybe he really doesn't feel he needs her input as he is doing well.
     
  24. judiz

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    I still don't believe he is a millionaire, he is probably doing better than he was prior to the Vancouver Olympics but I don't see him earning that much income.
     
  25. judiz

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    I've been criticized for "defending" Johnny too much but that's just my personality, I tend to try to analyze and see the reasons behind behaviors.

    Do I agree with all of Johnny's off ice career choices? No

    Do I like all of Johnny's fashion choices? Definitely NOT.

    Do I love his skating? Yes and that's what drew me back into skating after losing interest in the 1990's so no matter what, I will always be thankful to Johnny for helping me fall in love with figure skating all over again.
     
  26. overedge

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    Fact vs. opinion again. The record speaks for itself.
     
  27. milanessa

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    Because he's greedy?
     
  28. PeterG

    PeterG Argle-Bargle-ist

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    I'm not one of those "mental block" people :)rolleyes:) so I always land my quads. You just gotta go out there and do it. So I do.

    I was at a party a number of years back and I overheard a friend of a friend say that he once worked with a lady who would call in sick to work. And...wait for it...SHE WAS NOT SICK! She was faking it!!! Mind you, I'm not sure if this is actually true or not, but the guy who was telling this story certainly believed it!!!
     
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    The case of The Pot Calling The Kettle Black.
     
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    Johnny needs sponsors because training means time away from when he could be making money doing drag shows.