Johnny Weir's next role: Hidden dragon (USA Today article)

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  1. agalisgv

    agalisgv Well-Known Member

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    FWIW, a friend of mine sat next to JW on a very long transatlantic flight once. She isn't a skating fan and didn't know Weir from Adam. According to her, she had never witnessed anyone treat others with such condescension and contempt as she witnessed Weir treating others. Weir wasn't trying to impress anyone, so was just behaving as his usual self. He treated the agent traveling with him like a lowly servant as she ran back and forth from her economy class section to his first class seat to respond to his ongoing requests for service. He called his mom and spoke with such disdain towards her, my friend was appalled. When one of the flight attendants recognized him, Weir spoke to him with open disgust.

    The only positive thing she relayed was her baggage got put back a section, so when they landed Weir told her to just push everyone aside and get it so she could exit the plane before anyone else. When she expressed discomfort with doing that, he did it for her by shoving everyone to the side of the aisle so she could get her bag. Then he told her that's how it's done, and exited the plane. So she did get off the plane quickly :shuffle:

    That's Weir unvarnished, and I have to say I don't find that terribly lovable.

    YMMV
     
  2. judiz

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    This is the first time I ever heard a story like that. Everyone I know who has met Johnny has only had positive things to say but everyone is entitled to having a bad day, even those in the public eye.
     
  3. agalisgv

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    I think there's a difference between a fan meeting someone at a meet-and-greet or skating event, and a regular person witnessing how someone behaves when the spotlight isn't there.
     
  4. judiz

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    And just because your friend says she saw Weir behave in a certain way one day doesn't mean he's that way the other 364 days of the year. Why in the world do we expect celebrities or athletes or politicians to be perfect 365 days a year? Everyone has a bad day, everyone has a day they declare war on the world, to label someone based on one bad experience is really not fair. I know I wouldn't want someone to see my at my worse and assume that's me everyday.
     
  5. skateboy

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    I see no reason not to believe you, as I've never thought of you as a liar on this forum. Sad to hear that Johnny behaved that way.
     
  6. Ziggy

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    Now that he's finally got them sorted and doesn't look like an orangutan any more, yes. :p

    Decent people don't behave like that ever.
     
  7. skateboy

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  8. Sylvia

    Sylvia On to GP & U.S. Sectionals!

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    OMG, I wish I had never seen that. It is burned in my retinas and from now on that is how I will see him no matter what he is wearing. Hope he is not crazy enough to compete in that outfit. lol
     
  10. Rex

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    To be fair, I did read some unkind things about Michelle and Tara on bitterwaitress.com years ago before they went all Facebook. Apparently Kwanita had a diva fit over a meatloaf sandwich in a restaurant, and Tara was miffed at having to share a bathroom with people at a swank restaurant...our little ice princesses do have feet of clay sometimes. But Johnny is somewhat abrasive to me, so I am not as surprised at his diva behavior.
     
  11. falling_dance

    falling_dance Bravo, Patrick.

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    Kwanita would never order anything as unspeakable as a meatloaf sandwich...:drama: :mad:

    (Jus que dingue. I have no idea what happened.)
     
  12. Rex

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    Oh, but she DID, gurl. Whoever she was dating at the time took her to some upscale LA diner and she ordered a meatloaf sandwich, deemed it too soggy and not only sent it back, but demanded a comp. They gave her a bananas foster for dessert, free of charge, but she was snarky for the rest of the evening and left without tipping, chile....with her Fendi bag dangling behind her...the way Margo Channing carried her fur coat...
     
  13. falling_dance

    falling_dance Bravo, Patrick.

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    Like a good uber, I've decided that the story's author owns a worn-down trench coat and a funny hat. :drama: :saint: (ETA: Okay, not really.)
     
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  14. Rex

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    I hope a waitress doesn't wear a schmatta like that :lol:...
     
  15. overedge

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    And that doesn't mean that the report of how he behaved on that day is wrong.

    Judiz, I know you are a big fan of Johnny's, but if anyone seems to be expecting him to be perfect 365 a days a year, it's you. it's a little troubling how you justify his actions or give an alternative explanation every time anything is posted about him that's even remotely negative. It's entirely possible that he does act badly on occasion and he does make bad decisions on occasion. That doesn't mean he's a bad person, or a lousy skater. But trying to portray him as 100% perfect, and blameless in every situation that he's involved in, just isn't realistic.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with returning crap food and then not tipping.
     
  17. skateboy

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    There is if the waitress and restaurant did their best to make it right and gave a free dessert along with that.
     
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    Like a good uber, falling_dance is there!

    :encore:
     
  19. aftershocks

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    Did someone mention uber? :lol:

    BTW, I’d say the name of the website that exposed MK’s and Tara’s dining snitfits tells us more than the tattling does.


    Doesn’t mean its right either, or left. IMO, it’s simply hearsay. Even when different people who happen to witness the same event or overhear the same conversation are interviewed, it is possible to receive a variety of conflicting accounts and impressions of what exactly happened or what was said and by whom, and what it might have meant. It doesn’t matter either whether the "reporter" who provided the salacious tidbits was sitting next to Johnny, across from him or down the aisle.

    If you find judiz’s innocuous comments troubling, you must have a high and unforgiving trouble-detecting threshold. ITA that we’re all human and we all behave badly on occasion, and some of us behave badly more than just on occasion. To read some of the perceptions here about Johnny tho,’ he seems to be quite often perceived and denigrated as such a reprehensible and irredeemable fame w**re. The truth about his character and motivations likely resides somewhere in the middle, again as it does for most human beings. Or maybe unlike most humans, the truth about Johnny might reside somewhere in outer space, similar to the planet named after him. ;)

    IMO, judiz is not necessarily trying to portray Johnny as 100% perfect, although that appears to be your perception of what she’s doing. My perception is that judiz is sharing her views of Johnny, as are we all. And as usual, we all have differing viewpoints, which again, does not make any of us right or wrong. "All truths are but half-truths; every truth is half-false; there are two sides to everything.” (The Kybalion)

    Here’s a bit of apropos wisdom from a poster on Icenetwork.com:

    People's views are like Apples and Oranges; prefer whichever you enjoy but remember they both are peeled.

    And I would add: both peels can be digested, or not. :p


    Okay, but the bolded part is debatable. Real fame as opposed to what, not so real? Fame is fame, whether the degree of it is 24/7 fishbowl annoying, or a measly 15 minutes. :lol: Your above comments and your most recent post, Jenny, seem to be stated as a negative. Johnny has often referred to the fact that skating is his main talent, and it’s a pursuit to which he’s obviously devoted more than half his life. So, of course skating is where he’s made his name, and apparently skating remains for him a major focus and an important part of his life.

    At a young age (as he describes in his bio), Johnny had to choose between continuing as a figure skater or as an equestrian; a tough decision because he was successful and precocious at both endeavors. As a matter of fact, I think Johnny has achieved success and at least a modicum of fame at a majority of the goals he’s set for himself. And, of course, his high profile as a skating athlete has helped make a lot of his opportunities possible. He likely would have succeeded in life even if he hadn’t chosen figure skating, but it seems he was fated to be a skater. At a young age, he’s already accomplished more than most people will in one lifetime.

    In any case, maybe I'm missing something and wanting to be famous, successful, happy, and desiring to have one’s dreams fulfilled is some kind of crime. Then manacle him already! Or better yet, straitjacket him! Heh, heh, I think Adrian Schultheiss already has a claim to that particular bit of straitjacket fame, on-ice in Vancouver 2010. :inavoid:
     
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  20. spikydurian

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    Did Johnny win first prize for the best costume at the Halloween party?:p
     
  21. TheIronLady

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    I am pretty much only interested in Johnny's public behavior. He can do or feel whatever he wants in private or on bad days in the company of just a few people. He should be allowed to think or feel however he wants about fame, his life, or bad airline service. I'm not concerned about that, and I don't think many skating fans are either. I do care about the attitudes he expresses publicly about skating, other skaters, Americans, and his own actions as a skater because he is in those cases a public figure. I also care, though to a lesser extent, how interesting I find his shtick when he goes about being a celebrity entertainer. If he is boring or cliche, then that I feel that may be worthy of criticism.

    I know a lot of his fans seem to feel close to him, but I think we can agree his personal life is out of bounds for criticism (or likewise praise but that's my opinion). I understand people who admire him and feel a connection with him are going to have strong beliefs and impressions about Johnny's internal nature, but for me this is not something that needs to be probed or discussed too deeply-- not apart from his role as a skater and skating celebrity.
     
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  22. Rex

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    They are called stans...:shuffle:
     
  23. overedge

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    And maybe the story is true. Ever considered that possibility?

    I'm hardly surprised that you of all people completely missed the point of my post. My observation was on the pattern of Judiz' comments, which are invariably positive or giving a positive explanation for any even vaguely negative information about Johnny. If the truth "resides somewhere in the middle", that certainly isn't being acknowledged. And the same pattern is true of your posts, with the exception that Judiz is polite and intelligent enough not to accuse posters with negative views of having mental problems or unresolved jealousy issues.
     
  24. Carolla5501

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    Some of us don't bother to post. I saw him at a hotel once and it was not a "pretty picture" No big deal IMHO. When I lived in Nashville we once decided that 'Wannabes' tend to be ruder then real stars. It's like it's a way to "prove" their importance and part of the act. And it's all an act LOL!
     
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    Johnny has always struck me as someone who didn't really have a real plan, or a goal. He has one foot in everything, but his main goal (to my observation) is being famous. Skating made him known, and his personality made him famous. So he's striking while the iron is hot, I suppose. But at the same time, if fame is all you want, fame turns into desperation pretty quickly. Especially when you start to fade from your original career, the one that made you known in the first place.

    Anna Kournikova was known more for what she did off the tennis court than on it, but she didn't bother clawing for the limelight when it finally faded from her. It's unclear whether Johnny knows when it's his time to bow out.

    I think a number of us are disappointed that Johnny is choosing to be famous over a number of other things he could be doing. He has talent, and he has a lot more to offer the world than the Kardashians ever did. So to see him basically try to be a Kardashian is disappointing.
     
  26. TheIronLady

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    He needed some influences other than poor Tara Modlin.
     
  27. judiz

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    What Johnny needs is a strong agent who can overcome his stubbornness and direct him to the post competittive skating career that will benefit him the most whether it be fashion design, commentating or skating in shows. He doesn't seem to have the force behind him now, instead surrounding himself with YES people who agree to every whim he has.
     
  28. danceronice

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    Honestly, someone mentioned up thread choosing between 'equestrian' (he was just in pony hunters, which is a big deal if you're little but just a very basic stepping stone for serious riders) and skating--if he'd picked horses he'd still be coming along, most likely, unless he struck it VERY VERY VERY lucky in terms of right horse, right moment. A true phenom is someone like Reed Kessler, who is pretty much unprecedently young for an Olympic rider plus happened to be lucky in owning the right horses with the right talent in the right year with the means to support them. And Reed herself doesn't treat her career as peaked--Olympics are nice, now you have to go lay down your trips at the other GPs and earn your living until the next quad when HOPEFULLY you and the current horse will be right. Riding really doesn't have much celebrity and winning's considered good, but you don't get any real OMG CELEBRITY! just because you made an Olympic team. You have to hit the right horse (and appreciate they're often more popular--Daddy issues aside McLain Ward wouldn't be as big a deal without Sapphire.) I can see why if Johnny wanted fame and to be notable right away he went for skating.

    That, and when we talk about 'flamboyant' with horse clothes, we mean someone wore an olive coat in the hunters or, SHOCKER!, French blue. Even in slightly-more-casual jumpers (after you leave hunters, if you ever do, but jumpers are where the glory is) you stick to basics. Wearing red without having made an international team or having a right to it as an 'officer' of a hunt is a huge faux pas. I don't really think Johnny had the personality to stick with horses.
     
  29. snoopysnake

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    I am picturing Johnny and his husband reading this thread over their Sunday morning Starbucks and laughing their derrieres off!
     
  30. Japanfan

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    Yes. And it is not uncommon for celebrities to have big egos and be brimming-over full of themselves. For that reason, some are arrogant and rude to others they see as less important than themselves or in an inferior position to them.

    Johnny particularly strikes me as an egomaniac - I would expect the world of fashion to promote ego-mania more than FS. And Johnny has made a name for himself beyond FS and distinguished himself as a C or D-rate celebrity. Not many skaters have their own reality TV show. Not surprising that he has narcissistic tendencies.