Johnny Weir news, quotes and articles - v.3

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  1. overedge

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    So it's the media's fault? I don't think so. If Johnny and Evan wanted to like each other, it probably wouldn't make any difference how the media tried to frame their relationship.
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    Perhaps a reasonable assessment, Cheylana. However, IMO, Evan was being looked upon as a serious up-and-comer by the 2004-2005 season, when he was favored over Matt Savoie for 3rd place at Nats, even after making mistakes. Evan had performed well during that season’s Grand Prix, and perhaps the U.S. fed was uncertain whether Savoie would be able to improve his international standing at 2005 Worlds. So, despite Matt’s superior skating ability, Evan won the 3rd spot for Worlds and ended up being awarded the bronze at Worlds. IMO, Evan was heavily promoted at ‘05 Worlds by the U.S. fed, more so than U.S. Nat’l Champ, Johnny, who had a stellar GP season performing two iconic programs.

    Even Andre Agassi has denounced his declaration in that famous camera commercial. “Image is definitely not everything.”

    There’s that “team player” reference again. Could those making this reference please define what you mean by “team player”? Also, could you provide clips, Cheylana, where Johnny “stated” he has “distaste for being a team player.” In any case, figure skating is not a team sport, IMO. I wish the whole political structure of figure skating could be dismantled, and that it could be operated by skaters for skaters. And that they could have a separate competition along the lines of Davis Cup in tennis, where countries play rounds “team” against “team” and the final two teams vie for the championship cup. Then during the rest of the season, allow the individual skater athletes no matter what country they are from to compete on the basis of merit, to determine the top skaters in the world in each discipline, not the top from each country as it currently is still done because of antiquated tradition.

    I agree as I said in my previous post, Evan is considered a “straight-arrow,” which probably does translate to hardworking, responsible and “respectful.” Johnny is many things, including funny, kind, exasperating, down-to-earth, and over-the-top. If being different and standing out from the crowd and being outspoken means not being a team player, oh well. Perhaps not being a “team player” can mean different things in different contexts. It could mean being someone who blazes a new path. Believe it or not, many people, including skaters, costume designers, choreographers, and fans have been inspired by Johnny and the path he has blazed. Yes, Johnny’s not perfect, and I’m sure his love of all things Russian often annoys.

    LOL, re your ant versus grasshopper analogy. Reminds me of Frank Carroll’s “pie or cake” comment. Love to hear who you think all the ants are, Cheylana. :) Sometimes, extraordinary grasshoppers like Paul Wylie spring up and shine at a big moment, despite not hauling in a lot of “hardware” over the years.
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    Other than some "anti-Tonya" clauses, I have never heard of skaters having contracts prohibiting the presence of another named skater in the same show, or whatever. I have heard, though, of contracts restricting performances in such a way that it effectively prevents two skaters at the same show. If so, Johnny may have mis-understood things.

    For example, after the '98 Olys (and one post-Olys cheesefests), Tara signed a contract for a TV special on CBS --and Michelle signed one with ABC. I heard that each contract had a clause restricting the skater's freedom to skate on other networks. If so, these contracts would have effectively prevented Tara and Michelle from skating together ... since they couldn't appear on the same network.
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  4. Yazmeen

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    Um, has anyone considered that in regard to that "Evan contract" remark, Johnny was either 1) joking/being a smart aleck, or 2) yet again, saying something over the top designed to garner attention? :shuffle:
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  5. aftershocks

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    ^ Yep, the possible joking aspect was mentioned previously in this thread. The fan video clip (#3) does not have good lighting or audio, but if you take a look, you can see the context for yourself. It was in response to an aside question by one of the Russian fans at a fan meeting. However, I don't think Johnny's motivation in mentioning that was in order to "garner anyone's attention," particularly not in that setting. I doubt he or Evan enjoy being asked to respond to questions about each other, much less hoping to garner attention with a response to such questions.

    Re "media's fault," LOL -- the media is often a scapegoat. Serious fact is though, the media surrounds us all on a daily basis. Media and media technology affects how we think, live, and breathe, as well as how we see the world.
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  6. overedge

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    Um, like this? When Johnny announced he was at "war" with Evan? That didn't seem to be in response to any question at all.

    http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20365447,00.html
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    Well, I disagree there. He seems to like all attention, good or bad.
  8. aftershocks

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    Oh yes, the dust-up or "catfight" was all over the media. Understand how media works though and how snippets of what was said are taken out of context, and the chronology gets lost. Johnny's comment "We are at war. My claws are out," came after he was told that Evan said, "[SOI] only hires the best of the best ..."

    Here's the same article from another web source with different headline, pics, and lead-in:
    http://www.celebitchy.com/99739/johnny_weir_vs_evan_lysacek_best_catfight_ever/

    In this instance, Evan publicly backed off and took the high road. Nothing has been publicized (and it likely won't be) about the behind-the-scenes incidents which led to Johnny turning the other cheek in 2009 and saying they had "buried the hatchet," and that he was rooting for Evan to win Worlds.

    Well, manleywoman, cheers. I enjoy your podcasts. Maybe Johnny would love to soak up more attention by being interviewed by you, unless you're not interested in asking him, or he can't fit it into his schedule. What was up with that session with his agent Tara? Did she schedule at a bad time? She seemed to cut it short abruptly, and seemed a bit rushed and unprepared.

    We can all see Johnny as we will, and it won't change anything about who he is, and how he sees himself, and about what his closest friends and family know to be true.
  9. Justathoughtabl

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    They ALL like attention, not just Johnny. Evan also attends non-skating events. He likes it too. And yes, Johnny said that he and Evan were at war, and Evan had previously said provocative words about Johnny in the press. They BOTH do it.

    Johnny mentioned the contract thing in a fan meeting, not to a reporter. It's possible that Evan mentioned it to a mutual acquaintance, who then mentioned it to Johnny. Or maybe Johnny was joking, and both Johnny and Evan respond to invitations with "Will Johnny/Evan be there" and if the answer is yes, they decline the invitation. They might not want to compete with each other for attention, or maybe they just don't want the awkwardness during those long rehearsals where everyone is joking around and making small talk. Neither Johnny Weir nor Evan Lysacek is the devil. Both of them like attention, but neither one is an "attention whore." If they were the case, they wouldn't be skating anymore--they'd be clubbing with Lindsey Lohan. At the end of the day, they like to skate in an environment where they are comfortable. They're human. I'm sure both can be very nice and very polite, but less so when they're uncomfortable or pissed off. Again, human.
  10. overedge

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    I think there are many of us here who don't need to be told how the media works. My point was that Johnny did not appear to make these remarks in the linked story in response to any question ("Then on Thursday in New York, where he announced their "war,") in response to your assertion that "I doubt he or Evan enjoy being asked to respond to questions about each other, much less hoping to garner attention with a response to such questions."

    If Johnny does not want to answer questions about Evan, or doesn't enjoy answering them, he can always say "no comment" or ask for another question.
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    @Justathoughtabl, #49 above -- makes sense to me. Johnny and Evan are both human, and fans maybe rarely stop to think how they would feel in the same situation these guys have been dealing with re the past media hype and constant references to a "rivalry." I personally believe all the sturm und drang that has surrounded them re the media, the fans, and the U.S. fed's favoritism, has contributed to their uncomfortableness with each other, and their sniping. I think they have probably rarely commented on each other unless directly asked.
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    I agree that Johnny should have said "no comment," and Evan should have, too. Because the "we are at war" comment WAS in response to being asked about Evan's comments about how SOI only takes "the best of the best." From People.com (check the last paragraph):

    The dust-up intensified this week off the ice as Olympic gold medalist Lysacek, competing on Dancing with the Stars, and Weir, a three-time U.S. Champion, traded slurs and barbs.

    "We are at war," Weir told PEOPLE on Thursday. "My claws are out."

    The latest round of mudslinging began when Lysacek suggested earlier this week that a lack of talent kept Weir off the cast of the traveling Smucker's Stars on Ice. "They only hire the best of the best to skate," Lysacek told the Indianapolis Star. "A lot of us in the skating world were really disappointed in the way he reacted, basically whining that he wasn't chosen."
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    No doubt Evan was promoted as a big up-and-comer. He came into Worlds as the 4CC champion and a 3-time Junior Worlds silver medalist, and of course he had Frank Carroll on his side. Plus he was much younger than Matt Savoie (much as I loved me some Matt he never got much love from the USFS, Lysacek aside) and viewed as a huge potential talent. Still, I think Johnny was the #1 guy going into 2005 Worlds with Evan as a close #2. Then Evan got the surprise World bronze and his PCS and World statute went up accordingly. Going into 2006 Olympics I think Johnny and Evan were viewed as co-favorites, perhaps the USFS liked Evan better by this point - the 2006 Nats cocaine brouhaha didn't help, but they still promoted Johnny for sure.

    I hear ya! But in my experience, for better or worse, once people get a negative impression of you, it is very hard to shake it. That's why people still bring up stuff like Johnny wearing the Team Russia/USSR jacket and missing the bus at the Torino Olympics.

    I think only Johnny can say what he meant by "team player" :) but it suggests a person of an uncooperative nature. I will try to dig the quote up, but it was sooo long ago I'm not sure where to find it. Can anyone else back me up that Johnny said this?

    Agree, but you have to be careful how you phrase things. Evan and Michelle have always been teased for having carefully pre-prepared soundbytes, but they rarely find themselves in hot water for saying the wrong thing ("hacked" Twitter notwithstanding ;)).

    I agree with all this. I like Johnny, I do. Actually he's very respectful and kind to his fans, and I believe he's a very kind person. I'm just putting myself in the shoes of the USFS here.

    I don't think Paul Wylie is a grasshopper. True grasshoppers include Harding and Bowman, I think. Flaky, unreliable, only work hard when they feel like it. I don't think Johnny is a true grasshopper, but I think he ended up with that image, especially when compared to Evan's ultra-ant image.
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    Thanks very much Lexxandra for the improved video link to that portion of the fan meeting, and for the pictures!

    It doesn't seem to me that Johnny is responding to the question about Evan in a "smart-alecky" way. Perhaps the question was best left unasked -- it was obviously being asked in a joking manner.

    Overall, I agree with Justathoughtabl's earlier assessment of what we see of Johnny in the fan meeting: "... he's sweet, funny, forthcoming with answers to fan questions, and very gracious to sit for so long ..."
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    *raises hand*

    I would not be surprised though if Evan wanted such a contract. He got so much crap after his olympic win from the Russian side, from Johnny and his fans in the battle over SOI that no one would be surpised if he did not want to deal with that kind of crap anymore and demanded some kind of exclusivity.

    Stephane. :swoon:
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    With the exception of one interview I did quite a while back, I only interview retired skaters with several years to gain perspective on their careers, so Johnny doesn't qualify. In the case of the interview with Tara Modlin, she was rushed and fit me in between appointments, which made it one of the tougher interviews I've done to say the least.

    Indeed. I'm only commenting on what he puts out there, as we are all doing.

    Oh, for sure, but Evan has actually gotten MUCH smarter about this. He said a LOT of crap about Johnny a few years back, to the point where now to be honest, I could barely enjoy watching either one of them skate (and I blame the commentators for fueling that fire too). I thought they were both idiots, and was hoping Jeremy Abbott would just skate balls out all the time so we could get Evan/Johnny to go away and STFU.

    But Evan has the benefit now of the Oly Gold, so basically as long as he keeps his mouth shut regarding Johnny (which he has done for the most part for a long time now) he always looks like he's taking the high road, and Johnny just looks petulant, regardless of who is actually correct.
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    @Cheylana: I generally agree with most of what you said above, except where I had highlighted. Thanks for your response. That "icicles on coke" reference is so old, of course, as is most of the stuff that's been brought up here by me and a few others. At the time, Johnny was in the glare of his first experience with the pre-Olympic media spotlight, and as usual, said what came to mind-- I guess another example of "getting into hot water, without pre-prepared soundbytes." I think it goes back to 2003, when Johnny began to be given up on by USFS. It was Johnny's own talent, hard work and resilience, and also his motivation from being told he "would never make it back" that has fueled his career. IMO, many in the USFS weren't comfortable with Johnny being National Champion (especially not 3 times, forget about a 4th time), but they obviously couldn't completely ignore his talent. The USFS is made up of many individuals who hold varying opinions, but are obviously governed by political, financial and pr expediency. Kudos to you for putting yourself in USFS shoes.

    LOL, "ant vs grasshopper." You spoke of ants bringing back lots of hardware (I'm assuming you mean internationally -- Paul was generally 2nd or 3rd at Nats). In terms of your analogy -- Paul, before 1992 Olympics did not have much international "hardware" to speak of -- I believe he may have been a World junior champion, or at the least medaled there, and he won about five medals, one gold, on the GP circuit from 1987 - 1991. His results at Worlds were 9th - 11th, and at Olympics 10th, prior to 1992 Olympics where he came into his own and went on to have a stellar professional career. I always felt Paul should have won U.S. Nats in '90 and '91, but similar to how they viewed Matt Savoie, USFS apparently did not seem to think Paul could break through internationally. I'm not much impressed with hardware, as sole evidence of a skater's talent and hard work.

    Figure skating in its antiquated "political" structure is considered a team sport, as "teams" from each country compete at various competitions. However, the skaters themselves compete individually on the ice (excepting, pairs and dance, where two individuals compete on the ice together). My thoughts, expressed previously about dismantling the current "team" structure, are revolutionary and definitely unlikely to ever be realized. ISU has a stranglehold on the sport, which has only tightened over the past 7 years. There's probably few if any people in the sport willing to challenge and to face the difficult sacrifices that would be necessary to battle for figure skaters to control the sport of figure skating. Status quo is always the safer path, I suppose.
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  19. bandit

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    Originally posted by aftershocks

    I totally disagree that Evan was promoted more than Johnny. Johnny totally bombed both the qualifying round and the short program at 2005 Worlds, and, unbelievably, he actually moved up in the standings after that terrible short. Weir, himself, even remarked to the press that he was overmarked in that the judges were basing their marks on what he had done earlier in the season and not what he actually did on the ice at the time. He would not have moved up like that if he did not have good support from the USFSA. Weir was also placed ahead of Evan in the free skate, so how was Evan given more support? The way Weir skated in the first two rounds, no amount of support could help him anyway. Weir would have medaled had he skated better, but rather than hold Weir responsible for his own results, some people always want to blame others like the USFSA rather than admit that he just blew it. I'm sure Evan had plenty of support, but he would not have medaled if it were not for his own good performance and Weir's crappy one.
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    @bandit: I think you're confusing promotional support by USFS with Evan's and Johnny's actual performances, and the results of the judging. My comments are in part based on how the broadcasters were hyping Evan, which IMO, was based on heavy promotion by USFS. Nothing unusual, and it is subjective how much Evan was being promoted over Johnny. My feeling is that many in USFS were out of sorts with Johnny from circa 2002 - 2003, and he never entirely won back favor -- in fact, he continued to lose favor. It was largely on Johnny's talent, and not any positive rep with the fed that he won 3 National titles. I thought Evan was lucky to be in 3rd at Nats after his mistakes in 2005 -- but USFS was eager to promote him, and had their eyes on him in lieu of Johnny. USFS must be very happy with the ultimate results. Publicly E & J may have been considered co-favorites, but IMHO, privately that consideration was not unanimous.

    @Cheylana: re your reference to Harding and Bowman as "grasshoppers." I don't see either of them exactly fitting your definition. Harding's troubles had more to do with her abusive upbringing and her difficult personality -- she was an extremely talented figure skater, as was Bowman. Of course, Bowman had a rep for not applying himself to training hard. In his case, it was difficult for his coaches to reign in his carefree personality, and obviously the drug abuse ended his skating aspirations.
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    I agree with bandit. Nobody got more press and attention in Torino than Johnny. He was 3 time champion besides. I think he annoyed the heck out of the Federation with his Russophilia. According to Priscilla her life was hell in Torino because they were constantly on HER back to make him give up his jacket that Totmianina had given him. If he had stood up and won a medal after his great start it would have been Evan who? But the jacket deal along with Evan bombing the short and then coming back to 4th was the antithesis of Johnny in place for a silver and losing ground that tipped them over into Evan's camp. He was a biddable, flag waving "straight" boy who said what they told him to in interviews. As opposed to a rebellious Russophilaic who was "flamboyant" and is a very colorful interviewee. I prefer an interesting person but there's no denying he's a rogue. He's has flat out said he's not a team player more than once. I think even in his book.
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    I just wish they wouldn't try to get their athletes to fit a certain mold. Evan is fine (though he can be a passive aggressive jerk at times), but there's a reason why a lot of people think athletes (particularly amateur athletes) are so ho-hum and boring. Many of the most memorable athletes had a personality that was just out there for all to see...Muhammad Ali, Jack Johnson, Babe Ruth, etc. Figure skating would be more fun if they promoted the personalities of their skaters.
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    True, Johnny said several times in his book that he was not a team player, that's why he hated being forced by his dad to play softball and soccer when he was younger.
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    @REO, thanks for your input. Fair enough. I was not speaking of Torino in my most recent comments. If you are referencing the discussion about whether Johnny was promoted more than Evan around 2005-2006, I agree that USFS was biding their time with Johnny and seeing how he’d fare. They were also viewing Evan as the next up-and-comer. Still, USFS had issues with Johnny going back to 2002-2003, as he describes in his book. They had effectively given up on him after 2003, and it was Johnny’s own hard work, talent and resilience that got him back into the picture. In 2005 and 2006, Johnny was of course being promoted, but USFS was also wary of his outspoken personality, and were eager to push Evan as the alternative. Johnny may have had a slight edge as U.S. National champion, but Evan had the 2005 World bronze, and I think more support privately.

    As has been repeatedly noted, many people were pissed with Johnny's "coke" comment about his costume after Nationals 2006. It was innocent enough actually, and if you view the context, quite harmless and funny. I understand the dangers of drugs and that people who have experienced this personally or with a loved one don’t find such references funny, but context is everything. Look at his Dr. Zhivago costume! Sure his comments were immature and politically incorrect – but he did learn from the situation. In any case, as Johnny describes in his book, USFS was not going to “give him any favors” if he messed up again. He was in a daze during the ’06 Olympic lp and left out some elements, and that's disastrous, but his skating wasn't a total flop. (I wonder if Johnny knew or was affected by the media articles speculating that he was gay). Of course, he was on an important stage and generally skaters will lose some support if they falter. I agree that Johnny’s faltering in 2006 was another "tipping" factor in Evan’s direction.

    Thanks for pointing out that the “team player” comment appears in Johnny’s book, REO. I found a reference on page 17: “…my various obsessions [included] track, roller skating, gymnastics, anything that wasn’t a team sport (which I despised because I’m simply not a team player, and never will be).” I know it’s possible to read a lot into this statement. My take: Johnny is saying he has no interest in playing team sports such as baseball or soccer, because he is not cut out to play on a team. He is better at more individual sports. Sure there are different connotations, but why do some posters insist his admission of not being a “team player” is a reason why he was not asked to join SOI? The Johnny not being a “team player” and not being “family-friendly” excuses, are ridiculous IMO. Johnny toured with COI, and no issues like this ever arose. Also, Johnny’s book came out this year, not last year when the SOI furor was brewing. IMO, a skater is not actually on a team or probably even thinking about a team when they are performing on the ice (unless they are in a fluff team competition). Once their program begins, if a skater is thinking about a team, or fretting about the necessity to secure 2 or 3 spots for next year’s team, then they are likely going to have difficulty performing their best.

    Johnny revealed his flaws, and admitted his mistakes, and his failures, but he has refused to wallow in self-pity or back down from a challenge. Apparently, his admission of having made mistakes is not enough. A lot of people seem to feel it necessary to latch onto every fault or character trait he admits to having, and further pile on.


    Disclaimer: No, I’m not trying to insult anyone, or get people to change their opinions or agree with me. Everyone can maintain their own perceptions and interpretations.
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    Thanks, Manleywoman, for expressing exactly how I feel about these two in terms of their characters. Skating wise I never liked Evan's skating and loved Johnny's.
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    Since Johnny has said that he's not a team player, why is he (and so many of his fans) upset when the team doesn't want him?
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    :drama:Because that's just unfaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiir:drama:
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    Money. The chance to make a living at what he does best. Unless you want to wear a big fuzzy head, SOI is the only game around for skaters. And as far as that show being a team, it's not really. They can call themselves anything they like but one's performance does not affect anothers'. There was never any problem with COI so why should there be with SOI unless the ptb of that organization have a problem with some aspect of Johnny. It can't be his skating. They use people way less successful than him. It can't be that he has no crowd appeal. He's the most popular male figure skater - OGM or not. He could put butts in the seats which has become a problelm for SOI. So what's the deal? It makes one wonder. ;)
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    Well, maybe Johnny should have thought about the money before he shot his mouth off.
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    Personally, I can't see Johnny on SOI just because he would have to participate in (frequently cheesy) group/team skating bits and also likely have to incorporate their input or pressure on what he can do with his own programs. That wouldn't go over well with him.

    Can you really imagine his "Poker Face" program in SOI??? (and by the way, before anyone jumps on me, I love that program) SOI is a great tour, but they are also as "white bread" as you can get in a skating tour. I couldn't imagine Rudy doing most of his programs on SOI, whereas the PTB at COI loved his Village People routine and the crowd reaction to it so much that they pushed him to keep it as long as possible. The "Tour de Hamilton" IMO has always been more about pretty skating, conformity, and "let's praise Scott Hamilton" (save the Christopher Dean years which had some truly amazing numbers) which is why I don't tend to go.
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    White bread? Like the year one of the guys practically gave an audience member a lap dance? Personally, I like it when it keeps things tame in that department but shows genuine creativity in the programs, like it's been for the past couple of years.
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    Thank you muchly, but you do realize that no one needs any permission from you to do this, any more than you need permission from anyone else?

    This is a discussion board. People talk and argue about their various opinions.

    Just because something is repeated over and over does not make it so. When Johnny gets his show or tour or whatever he is working on up and running and he can actually demonstrate his ability to put butts in seats in substantial numbers, then this argument might have some validity.
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    Canadians, apparently, we get the Sundance Channel Network, which aired the first season of Johnny's show. In Vancouver, it's channel 133. The season finale is on tonight.
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    Absolutely! They love crappy kiddie music. Poker Face would fit right in. He could do the same old triple toe and doughnut spin and slide on the ice sticking his whatever in the air, the same as he does in every exhibition number. Poker Face would be perfect for SOI.
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    Unless you consider his comments about always riding the bus with the Russians when he traveled with COI and the comments he made about the atmosphere on the more American bus.
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    Which is why I also hate SOI . . .

    . . . but also like SOI.

    But for me, I'd rather watch competition that most exhibitions. Mainly because I'm a Radiohead/Pink Floyd/Jeff Buckley kind of gal, and the shows tend to be Celine Dion/Andrea Bocelli/Josh Groban types of numbers. So I don't tend to go myself unless the tickets are free or really cheap. That goes for SOI, COI, or smaller shows.

    I just find a lot of the shows to be cheesy. :shuffle: But every once in a while I'll se a number that I LOVE (like Tanith/Ben's number from last year which was 100% adorable and creative.)
  38. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    Except maybe in the group numbers which are a feature of SOI shows.
  39. Justathoughtabl

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    Of course everyone has their own opinion about Poker Face, but I loved it, and I don't even like cheesy pop music. But note: Johnny hasn't done Poker Face in quite some time. He's been doing Heartbroken (gorgeous and classical) and Bad Romance, both of which may be close to retirement, since he's working on new exhibition numbers, as he tweeted today. The Lady Gaga stuff is an anomaly for him. Think of his other exhibitions: Imagine, All in Love is Fair, Ave Maria, Heartbroken (A Comme L'Amour), Hymn L'Amour, Feeling Good, etc.) He has pretty good taste in music, in my opinion. To me, his exhibitions are usually pretty sophisticated. As for using the same moves a lot, I'll give you the slide, although it's extremely popular and always gets a big reaction. But the other stuff? I think a lot of the skaters repeat the moves they're good at. Look at Stephane's spins. He always throws a whole bunch in there.
  40. aftershocks

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    @Prancer: Thanks for your input. Far be it from me to think I'm in a position to give FSUers permission to do or not do anything. My tongue-in-cheek "disclaimer" is specifically directed to those who have recently stated in other threads that I'm "insulting other posters, and trying to get other posters to think the way I do," by expressing my own points of view.

    @attyfan: "(Michael W is ahead by one world bronze)." Thanks for pointing that out, attyfan. ;) I enjoyed some of Michael's performances when he was competing in the eligible ranks, and having seen him recently in a fluff competition, I think he's continued to hone his skating skills. Yet, I still have to :lol: at the notion that counting "hardware" is the most important way of determining the success or lack of success of skaters. [e.g., Michelle Kwan has two Olympic medals, but no gold -- and so what? MK is and will likely remain for a long time one of the most decorated skaters in fs history. Beyond medals, what she accomplished was amazing on so many levels. Sure the "hardware" stats are tremendous, but what I will remember most about her is the courage, passion, exquisite grace, and determination she always displayed on and off the ice -- and most importantly the way her spirit soared, taking the entire audience with her ... The experience was spine-tingling and uplifting.]

    Back to the mundane task at hand. So what that Michael W is ahead of Johnny W by one World bronze. Some people are understandably stat crazy about baseball, but figure skating?! As I mentioned about Paul Wylie earlier, the important thing that matters is he put it all together and shined at the penultimate moment of his eligible career, which led to his having a long and satisfying professional career, and to his fans being able to experience so many memorable and fantastic moments. Great accomplishment re the silver Olympic medal itself, but the number of medals Paul was or was not able to garner over his career is not a measure of his success nor who he was as a skater.

    SOI vs Johnny :blah: