Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by ks777, Feb 14, 2013.
How many convicts give an interview to media right after the guilty verdict? This is bizzare.
How many are actively pursued?
Well, I'm sure she's going to appeal no matter what--death penalty cases usually drag on for years because they have a LOT of appeals to go through. (Which, fair enough, you don't want to get it wrong...) But yeah, I think this is a probably-ill-advised attempt at reverse psychology. I suspect the jury may be inclined to say "You'd rather die? Okey-dokey."
I think that if she receives the death penalty there is an automatic appeal on her behalf? Lawyers can you tell me.
Don't know about AZ, but in CA, there is one appeal of right, directly to the Supreme Court, which must hear it (and decide it). If affirmed, they can ask the SCOTUS to review the case, but this request is usually denied. Usually, there is also a petition for habeas corpus filed within a year after the appeal is decided .... this is where new evidence can be presented (if any) whereas appeals are limited to the transcripts of the trial.
I was surprised to hear that Jodi was surprised by the verdict.. really?
why? if you are a defendant, you need to believe that you will be acquitted. otherwise you would plead guilty.
not really. That's not true at all. I bet Ariel Castro will plead not guilty even though he knows he won't be acquitted.
Yeah. And she obviously took the time to refresh that makeup and comb that hair too. Thank goodness! Can't be caught looking dowdy. That would be downright...CRIMINAL!!!
I don't think so. She clearly thought she could get away with this. People who do things like this, often, think they can get people to believe whatever lies they tell.
I don't know...he's apparently cooperating with police including waiving a bunch of rights. He might try for not guilty by reason of mental defect, but all things considered the odds of acquittal are so long, pleading might be the only way to go.
Which is exactly why I said she was surprised because she thought she would be acquitted on what she presented to the jury. Lies would be believed and she would receive a not guilty determination.
Regarding Castro and what he will do - obviously the reports say that he is admitting to a great deal of horrible things/crimes. I think that he might be setting up for the mental illness thing. And I believe that there is good reason for the 8 mil bail. He might not flee but I am pretty sure that he would do harm/suicide. There is also a reason he is on suicide watch in prison.
re: the interview and "make-up" prior to the interview, the local Fox network is the one who got the interview right? I would bet that they sought and got an "exclusive interview heard only here on channel _____" prior to the end of the trial. And probably gave her the make-up person to do her hair/make-up. I know in some high profile murder trials in my area there have been the "scoop" news interview after the trial.
FWIW - I am glad that the jury found her guilty, not only because I thought she was guilty of pre-mediated murder in a particularly heinous manner, but to appease all of you who would take out your anger/frustration on how stupid the jury was.
Our legal system was set up to have a jury of your peers determine based upon evidence provided that you have done something, in this case murder, without a reasonable doubt that the crime was committed by that person. If the prosecution does not erase that doubt or they do something that presents itself as a reasonable doubt (if the glove does not fit, you can not convict - puts a reasonable doubt in one's mind). Sitting on a murder trial is not something that is easy to do. My dad did. He has agonize for 50 years over the outcome, which was indeed to find the man guilty. IT IS NOT EASY. and to sit on a jury is a privilege not something to get out of. Any of these high profile cases deserve a jury who will listen and weigh the possibilities not a jury that convicts before they are seated based upon the media reporting prior to and during the trial.
I agree with you.
What really irked me about the whole Casey Anthony trial is how everyone was so sure they'd come up with a different verdict while sitting in the courtroom, listening to all the evidence away from the media hooplah and Nancy Grace-types out there. I mean, people are people and in these types of settings, nobody is really extraordinary or extra special.
Awwwwwww... She was initially held in the Estrella Facility. While there, the other inmates wanted to...
meet her...(star treatment)
hug her...(star treatment)
get her autograph...(star treatment)
The Spanish word for star? Estrella!
Source: The "star's" immediate post-conviction interview (star treatment)
"Alright Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up"
Right now the jury is deliberating on "life or death" for Jodi. My guess is she will get life without parole.
I'm pretty sure that's the next phase. Right now they're deliberating whether or not the elements that would support a death penalty are there.
Jodi looking all toady ...
because Juan won!
I just heard that Kirk Nurmi and Jennifer Willmott wanted off the case but the mostion was denied by the judge. I am not sure what pissed them off, the interview after the verdict or.
Is it just me or does time-management seem to be something that this court does not take very seriously? $12 per day for jurors?
I've NEVER seen a case with so many dark court days, postponements, early recesses, sudden illnesses, witness scheduling conflicts, hastily arranged hearings in judge's chambers, etc. I mean...this case has been going on since one day after New year's Day for Pete's sake! And why do the jurors need EVERY Friday off? This will turn prospective jurors off even MORE in the future. Sheesh!!!
Is Jodi Arias still tweeting? I don't have a twitter account so I don't know.
I don't believe jurors have a choice. Unless they have a really good excuse - e.g. a planned vacation where they would lose money by cancellation, or a physical limitation, etc.- they have to serve if they are selected. This was a very complex case; the jurors had to see some horrible/gruesome pictures. I can't fault them for needing a day off in a 5-day week.
The local news showed Travis's siblings testifying how much damage this murder of their beloved brother has done to their psyche. It was a very emotional day in the court. Jodi was crying too.
It's not just the jurors. Friday are often not a court day in long trials so that the judges, lawyers, etc. can get the rest of their work done. And jurors can keep the rest of their lives from spiraling out of control by having a day to do things that have to be done during business hours. (Though that doesn't work if they are sequestered, of course.)
Jodi's lawyers asked for a mis-trial due to death threats to a key witness; the judge denied the request. More drama to unfold. I don't know how anyone can be stupid enough to make death threats; she is guilty and there was no need for such threats.
Jodi probably made those death threats herself.
Or just simply made them up.
Anyone know why her ex boyfriend isn't going to testify on be half of Jodi anymore? Or her mom?
Her ex-boyfriend was more than willing to testify and waiting at a hotel just 5 minutes away for the call to come to the courthouse. Nurmi stated he will call no mitigating witnesses once all his motions were denied today. Interesting that he wasn't told to be at the courthouse all ready to go instead of waiting at the hotel.
I think her mother won't testify because she would be subjected to a cross by the Prosecutor.
This trial may be over by...2015? Maybe? Poor Alexander family...poor jurors.
but it's her daughter.. If it's my daughter, I would do anything to save her life.
Yep, that's true. It's just my opinion, but I think Jodi won't let her because Juan could cross exam her and be able to play the interview tapes where her mother states Jodi always made up lies about being abused and having this terrible childhood. I do feel bad for her family. Granted its no where near the same level, but she destroyed her own family as well.
I think in this case, that means not testifying.
It seems Jodi has already made her statement to the jury (asking for life). I was planning to watch it live, but missed it. The judge announced an early recess and will hear closing arguments from the attorneys.
At this point, I don't see what can be gained by giving Jodi a death sentence. She said in her statement that she will try to do good for society while serving the lifetime sentence in prison (literacy program, recycling, helping domestic abuse victims, etc.). While I have no sympathy for her because of the gruesome murder she committed, I think that life in prison may be better than a death sentence for her.
I thought her remarks were pathetic... but totally in character for this woman.
I also think the death penalty is called for. this woman does not deserve a life... being with people, enjoying her life, making the shirts, giving interviews. If her death gives Travis' family a moment of relief from the horror Arias brought into their lives it is then worth it.
Why did she ask the jury for life when she just did an interview saying death is better than life in prison? I really hope she gets death, this woman is a psychopath and can not be rehabilitated.
The problem is Jodi never suffered domestic violence... I can't believe she is still bring it up. I am thinking she will get the death penalty. She is still acting like a victim of domestic violence.
They are showing it live right now. The defense argues that she can contribute to society if her life is spared. I can't watch because I am at work. I just listened to it for a couple of minutes.
I assume they will appeal - all the way to the US Supreme court- if she gets the death penalty. What happens if the Supreme court calls it a mistrial at that point? Does she get away free, or just gets life? Or does she get another trial?
ETA: I do feel sorry for her. What a waste of a lifetime!
The latest from the local newspaper, after her testimony:
I doubt that the Supreme Court would hear the case, even if the defense appeals. Of course, there could be a Constitutional issue that I don't know about. From what I understand, if the defense successfully argues that there is a mistrial, then the Court would remand it back to the trial court to do it again, this time without whatever it was that made it a mistrial and thus invalid. However, I could be wrong about that. Anyway, a mistrial does not mean she'll get away free or get life automatically. The first deals with matter of facts, where appellate courts very rarely go against a jury's verdict, and the other deals with sentencing (which the Court most recently has gotten involved in regarding minors and mandatory sentences of life without parole for both non-homicidal and homicidal crimes and the 8th Amendment's "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" clause).
Anyway, back on the point of rehabilitation. Wouldn't a life sentence without possibility of parole already mean the State and jury already acknowledge she cannot be rehabilitated into society and therefore must stay incarcerated for the rest of her life? As for retribution, I guess that would be a good justification for the death penalty since Jodi Arias is culpable (according to the jury and popular opinion) and is conscious and therefore understands what her actions were and what the ramifications of them are as would any reasonable adult.
We will probably find out tomorrow when all the video from her whirlwind media blitz tour starts getting released. How in the hell is that even allowed to happen?! Although I hope this time the reporters who get those interviews start nailing her on all her contradictions and lies and let's see how she responds. That last reporter blew so many chances to blow her out of the water with documented proof of her lies and he just let her skate away with telling more lies.
I also agree with you.
I simply cannot believe that a convicted murderer can go on TV. It makes no sense to me. And Travis' poor family. Jodi just keeps on giving............and spewing vile lies. It is just wrong.
And, this is so petty..........was Jennifer Wilmont really wearing lavender nail polish? Such a light-hearted, free and easy color for such a momentous day (I told you it was petty).
I honestly do not know how Travis' family can keep their composure day after day after day.
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