Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by ks777, Feb 14, 2013.
I am so nervous.
I think the length of deliberation was disagreements between Murder 1 and Murder 2. I'm betting they come out with Murder 2.
I am thinking the opposite. They come out with Murder1.
I hope it is a murder 1 conviction.
I hope you're right. I'm just afraid the jury will have a hard time with that premeditation thing. Isnt murder 1 the only one that can come with the death penalty?
But I do think she is guilty of murder 1.
In CA, the jury not only have to reach a verdict (murder 1 or murder 2), but they would have to make further findings ("special circumstances") before a defendant is eligible for the death penalty. Does anyone know if something similar would be required in this case?
I understand that she was convicted of first degree murder!
woah... Guilty of Murder 1. The form said something about counts of jurors who found which for what, but I missed it.
I think they got it right.
ETA: Nancy Grace just repeated it: 5 jurors found premeditated, 7 found both premeditated AND agrivated (I think that was the word).
Ha! Guilty Murder..."Juan"! And you can mark her word on that!!!
5 jurors found premeditated, 7 found both premeditate and FELONY murder(I think)
yes, they just showed the reading of the verdict again... Felony was the word. I'm not sure what that means in the context of the verdict.
So does this mean she gets the death penalty? I know this can't bring their son back but I hope at least this verdict can at least bring some comfort to Travis Alexander's parents.
Here is a video (live) from the local TV station:
The jury is going to see more evidence to see if this was aggravating murder or not. I also read a word 'cruel'. They will listen to the additional information to decide on whether or not it should be a death penalty.
The expert thinks there is a high chance of a death penalty. Before the trial he had predicted a 1st deg. conviction.
Here is the reading of the verdict, as shown on CNN
Felony murder is more serious, usually death penalty. And Greta van Sustren's on saying how it's going to be hard for her attorney to argue to spare her when he he flat-out said himself nine times out of ten he didn't like his client, either...she seems to be of the opinion the defense did not do a very good job on this. (Which could help Arias in the long run as if the jury opts for the death penalty there are going to be appeals piled on appeals.)
Jodi Arias has cost the Maricopa County tax payers 1.7 million dollars, up to April.
Premeditate murder and felony murder are both First Degree Murder. So she will either face the death penalty or life in prison without parole.
Well, the family has announced a wrongful death lawsuit. Does the county have to sue as well, to get money back for court costs? I think I heard somewhere that, if found guilty, the defended is responsible for the costs.
The way the verdict was read: 5 found for premeditated, 0 for felony, and 7 for premeditated PLUS felony. so, all the jury thought it was premeditated, but 7 added felony on top of that. I'm going to have to look around for what that means.
Jodi Arias has no money but she's been making money from donations and selling arts.
If she writes a book and makes money from it, she may have to give it away, right?
I don't know if she is allowed to write a book. Is she allowed to? I think she should come clean and tell us what really happened that day in the bathroom though. I want to know if she shot him first or last.
Are there Son of Sam laws in Arizona? If so, they might prevent her from profiting at all from the sales of murder-related media.
It is my understanding that she will no longer be able to make profit from her crime....that includes a book....and they won't care what she says she is going to do with the profit.
Where was this jury with Casey Anthony. I am so proud of them! Thank G-d!
It is my understanding that she will no longer be able to make profit from her crime....that includes a book....and they won't care what she says she is going to do with the profit. Although there are groups testing the constitutionality of the Son of Sam Laws, as near as I can tell, they apply at the moment.............as well they should.
Where was this jury with Casey Anthony. I am so proud of them! Thank G-d!
Well, not so much according to this source: CBS They have to decide mitigating factors:
Maybe a criminal attorney can explain this to me, but how can someone be guilty of First-degree murder and felony-murder? That doesn't make sense to me.
I have mixed feelings about todays' verdict. I was so happy for Travis Alexander's family and friends but at the same time I felt really bad for Jodi Arias' family.
unfortunately there is never a good outcome for all.
Her family must be hurting. This has been a nightmare for everyone. I am just so glad the jury had to courage to convict her.
I haven't been following the trial, but "felony murder" is a term that means that someone caused someone's death in the course of committing a felony. For example, let's say that someone robs a bank and ends up killing someone in the course of committing the crime. That's felony murder. It's also usually first degree murder even if the killing wasn't premeditated. For example, they might hit someone and kill them when they're speeding away from the bank.
That's right. Depending on the state that recognizes felony murder, it may also apply to any death that occurs in the course of one committing an "inherently dangerous" felony. So if a man commits an armed robbery, and the cashier defends himself with a gun but accidentally shoots an innocent customer, the armed robber could be charged with felony-murder.
That's why I was confused as to how she could be convicted of both first-degree murder and felony-murder since usually deadly assault or physical violence (which could be felonies on their own) would absorb into the first-degree murder charge since the violence would be an essential element for first-degree murder.
I don't have a law background, so this may sound dumb, but isn't murder itself an act of violence? Plus stabbing someone 27 times and then shooting that person in the head sounds pretty violent to me.
How ironic that the felony would be the theft of Travis' gun (wink...wink!) resulting in his death. We all know where that gun came from..now don't we? So Jodi will pay dearly for that particular theft and her grandfather will have to buy another gun.
Yes, but if you just kill someone and that's all you're doing, you only get charged with murder. Felony murder as I generally understand it is, like VIETgrlTerifa said, when you're committing another crime (robbing a bank, breaking into a house, etc.) and someone dies as a result, whether you intended it or not (you shove someone down the stairs fleeing and they break their neck, you're driving the getaway car for someone robbing a store and they shoot the cashier), you can be charged with felony murder because your actions in committing the felony lead to the death, even if you didn't actually intend to kill them.
I'm not sure how that works here unless they mean the robbery in the theft of the gun, which I wouldn't think is the DIRECT cause of his death, but rather shows premeditation.
On the radio I heard Arias quoted as saying she wants the death penalty rather than life in prison, as death is the "ultimate freedom" and she wants her freedom sooner. Either she's REALLY off her rocker or she's trying really ill-advised reverse psychology. They also, though, mentioned there are already two women on death row in Arizona, but Arizona hasn't executed a woman since 1930. She may be sitting around in jail for a long time anyway....
Some interesting statistics regarding women and the death penalty n the US.
Of course she's allowed to write a book. This is the US not some dictatorship. What she's not allowed to do is make money off it. So she could it away or sell it and give the profits away.
The way they(HLN) explained before the verdict came was that when Jodi started stabbing, she was not welcomed at Travis' house anymore therefore she was not authorized to be there anymore.
I may be totally off here, but as far as I know a 1st degree murder conviction would either be for premeditated murder or felony murder (or both). She was convicted of 1st degree murder. after that they broke it down: 5 of the jurors thought it was premeditated... she went to murder and that's what she did. 7 thought, not only was it premeditated, but it happened during the course of a felony. My theory on that is: she was stabbing him... that's felony assault, and he died (murder). I have no idea if that's right, but I really dont think the felony had to do with the gun being his, because (a) she didnt steal it, and (2) they all knew she was full of crap and she brought it with her.
I could be totally wrong, tho.
The stabbing would be a part of the murder itself. The felony for felony-murder would have to be something separate from the actual act of killing.
So I read she wants the death penalty because she doesn't want to live the rest of her life in prison. Personally, I think that would be the perfect punishment, not killing her. Make her spend the rest of her life thinking about how she took someone else's.
The next phase of the trial (aggravation) was suddenly canceled. Expected to resume Wed. 10 am
I think this woman is so manipulative that she is putting this out there because she is actually afraid of the death penalty. She is hoping this makes its way to the jurors and they decide that the true ultimate punishment would be life in prison where she can at least appeal to her death and hope for parole at some point.
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