Job with less pay

Discussion in 'Off The Beaten Track' started by Guinevere, Jan 22, 2013.

  1. VIETgrlTerifa

    VIETgrlTerifa Well-Known Member

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    I thing is that I understand public transport is a big headache and can be late, but when you take a route that will make you consistently 5 minutes (more or less) late, then that only gives employers something to write about when they choose to.

    Unless you have an actual agreement that allows you to go to work later or have some sort of grace period to come in, you have to suck it up and take the earlier (even if it's like an hour) train/bus/subway. Again, if it's better for you to come in five minutes later, then it would benefit you to get actual consent to come in at the later time. That way you won't be considered 5 minutes late any longer and the employer can't write you up for that reason.
  2. numbers123

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    I would consider how much the new job learning is needed. Sometimes it is not as hard as it might seem on the outside.

    Seems to me that the company is well aware of her tactics and approve of them. especially if the department brings in revenue and continues to lower department over head by forcing people out of the department. I've been the "victim" bought the shirt, lost my self-esteem and sense of identity after the loss of a job and pushed out in that way. In hindsight I should have left on my own terms.

    Having to hire a lawyer to save your job? where is the HR department? or even the company's lawyer who says WTF is happening in the department and why to we have to continue to do this. If the department is that successful in obtaining revenue that they would continue the practice, it probably will not stop anytime soon if at all.

    Why - companies don't consider this when trying to build a case for your dismissal
    Think about the pros and cons - what is it that you give up to move to a new position at 6K less. Are you having to give up food, shelter, health, then maybe not a good move. If you are giving up other things that you could go back to when you start to earn more and have an opportunity to move up - maybe a good move. If you health is at risk, move. I discovered that the crushing chest pain I experience almost daily is gone. The excess weight is gone because I am not stress eating. I could list many more.
  3. Garden Kitty

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    As others have indicated, the main concern I have about your current job is that the manager may be trying to get you fired and it's easier to find a new job without having to explain why you were let go. The impact of the financial hit, and the overall impact in the change in job responbilities etc. is something that only you can evaluate.

    The one caveat I'd have, and it sounds like you've worked long enough to realize this, is that it's definitely possible that your new job will also have lots of things you don't like about it - managers that aren't always reasonable, coworkers who don't do their share and work demands that impact your personal life and free time. Few jobs won't have something, and often something significant, that annoy you. But overall will the new job be a better fit for your life and your professional ambitions?
  4. Karina1974

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    My employer had a new hire in our Fabrication Dept. some years back who used to take off early without permission. Why? Because he saw a co-worker leaving early every Friday, so he assumed it was OK for him to do it too. Never mind that the co-worker was a manager who lived out in Auburn, NY (several hours' drive from Albany) - he kept an apartment here in town, and he also worked extra hours the other days of the week so that he could leave at 3:00 on Friday.

    That new hire didn't last too long, to say the least.
  5. overedge

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    These are all points that would work in Guinevere's favour - quite strongly IMHO - if there was a wrongful dismissal suit. If the employer has implictly accepted the lateness from her and others for years, and then started monitoring her and her alone *and* without letting her know there was a problem, there is a very high chance that will be interpreted as singling her out for the purposes of getting her to quit.

    Guinevere, are you quite sure that no one else has been written up or warned?
  6. genegri

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    Is your current job secure? If so, I would let go the new offer but keep looking for a better one.

    But if you current job is not secure as I suspect, I would take the new offer but still keep looking for another one.

    Either way, good luck!
  7. Guinevere

    Guinevere New Member

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    Wow I guess the point is moot - I was just let go today!!!
  8. Cherub721

    Cherub721 YEAH!

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    So sorry to hear that. {{{Guinevere}}} Good for you having the foresight to find another job before it happened!
  9. Aussie Willy

    Aussie Willy Well-Known Member

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    So sorry to hear that. Hope you are okay.
  10. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    Did they give a reason? ((Guinevere))
  11. Guinevere

    Guinevere New Member

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    No they said I no longer fit with the direction the department was going. They also said I'd done nothing wrong (both the HR lady and department head said that).
  12. Cachoo

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    Well maybe that wasn't the way you wanted to leave but I hope this leads to happier employment. I guess the "overwhelmed" co-worker will be even more overwhelmed now. Shucks!
  13. GarrAarghHrumph

    GarrAarghHrumph I can kill you with my brain

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    Sucks. But you're free of all that now, and you already have an offer in hand, and another interview in play. Because you are that in demand. Remember through all this - you rock. Head held high, and on to the next thing.
  14. victoriajh

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    WOW , very interesting given your thoughts on the manager and her direction....did your at let get some severance? Can they let you go without fair warnings etc? Ad I agree with pp luckily you have some other options in play! Good lukc
  15. overedge

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    I'd talk to an employment lawyer if I were you, since from what you have posted it sounds like you didn't get any warning about your (alleged) lack of fit, or a chance to change. Did they offer you any severance pay?
  16. Aussie Willy

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    That sounds really dodgy and very vague. What kind of "direction" were you meant to fit in with? I agee with Overedge about seeing a lawyer.
  17. Guinevere

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    Thanks everyone for all the kind words!! I think I will be fine in the long run.

    They couldn't tell me what direction the department was headed in, so I don't know. It's been a whole 21 days since I got my first notice on Jan. 2 until today.

    Funny enough, it's like a weight has been lifted from my shoulders, and I can breathe again. It's going to be rough going for a while but it feels better than sitting in the office wondering what's going on that I'm not aware of.
  18. overedge

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    Well, if they can't tell you what direction the department is headed, how do they know you don't fit with it?

    I think you should write down everything they said to you today, while it is still fresh in your memory, and see a lawyer.
  19. numbers123

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    I'm so sorry Guinevere. That sucks.
    If Guinevere lives in the US - I believe most if not all states have an at will law. That means the employer can fire or let you go without reason - at their will. Most companies want to have a bit of justification no matter how small or difference in policy from one month to another, but they still have the "at will" option.
  20. Aussie Willy

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    Totally understand. Having been in a situation where I was let go from job (reason given being that I didn't fit in with the company), it ended up being the best thing that could have happened. Because now I am probably in the best job that I have ever had. So sounds like it might end up being a good thing and a great opportunity to find something else. Really hoping that it works out for you. Good luck.
  21. cruisin

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    Guinevere, I would be hesitant to go to a lawyer. Unless you want the job back or feel that they owe you something significant, I'd avoid that. You have an offer and promising interviews, no reason to compromise those, by getting involved in a contentious law suit. Which may yield nothing.
  22. Karina1974

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    Her location says Vancouver, BC.
  23. Rogue

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    It sounds like she started doing so, but not everyone has that option. Public transportation can sometimes be spotty. I used to live in a place where the bus service was only 6 times a day - 3 in the morning, 3 at night, so there wasn't a lot of options. And if you have small children and limited daycare options, it makes taking the earlier buses next to impossible.
  24. genevieve

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    Guinevere, I hope you got decent severance (at least 1 wk pay for every year served), and glad you have another option you can pick up right away if you choose. Hopefully, this will end up being a positive change.
  25. talulabell

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    Wow... sorry to hear that, Guinevere. I just started reading this thread yesterday, and your (former) boss sounds like someone here. She's only above like 5 or 6 people, but she looses 2 or 3 every year... it's constant turnover. She's also caused former employees to sue (and win) for wrongful term... but upper management leaves her there because "she gets the job done". A friend of mine reported to her for about a year, and nearly had a breakdown. she ended up moving to another department, took a pay cut, and is sooooo much happier.

    I hope, as others have said, that you got some severance out of it, but if it really is a weight off your shoulders, then it sounds like its for the best. Good luck with your next venture.
  26. overedge

    overedge Well-Known Member

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    There is no harm done in talking to a lawyer and seeing what options are available.
  27. viennese

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    I'm sorry you're out of a job.
    But when you say you feel a great weight is off your shoulders: that's a good thing. You're free to pursue better opportunities. Meanwhile, make sure the old employer gives you all you're due - including $ for "re-training/placement" or whatever other ex-employees in your position get.
  28. Guinevere

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    Thanks again everyone. I got severance but its minimal. Am considering my options, but have another interview on Monday and the two I've gone on so far are very promising.

    It's funny one (ex) co-worker messaged me right after and asked me how I was doing and I said that I was fine (and I mean it, too. I really feel fine now) and that it speaks volumes when I can't look at this as a bad thing. And right now I currently help my family out financially so you'd think I'd be more upset. But that place is just so so toxic I can't feel all bad about what happened.
  29. cruisin

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    Based on this post, I'm happy for you. I wish that your former workplace had not been so toxic, but it appears this is a step in the right direction. I wish you great luck in finding the best job for your skills and happiness.
  30. Guinevere

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    So just quick update - I'm starting my new job next week!! It's the same job as I originally posted and they came up so I'm only $2000 less than before.

    And as a side note, word on the street is that my old boss got fired. Is it wrong that I'm enjoying this?
  31. milanessa

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    Good luck to you!
  32. PDilemma

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    I would probably buy a bottle of champagne and celebrate if I heard my last boss got fired. He is singlehandedly destroying a school in order to benefit his own coaching ambitions. And I know enough people (all but one are women which says something, I think) who also were cut from his staff that would join me. I'd probably have to get two bottles, actually.

    So...no, it is not wrong. Enjoy it!
  33. cruisin

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    Not wrong at all. Karma in action. Your former boss treated you badly. You did nothing to cause the firing. At least nothing active, the way you (and others) were treated could have lead to the firing. Good luck with your new job, and feel good that you'll be happier there.
  34. overedge

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    Congratulations, guinevere!! And yes, enjoy the news about your ex-boss :)
  35. A.H.Black

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    Too bad they didn't see things more clearly in the beginning and just fire your boss and promote you to her position.

    You will probably be happier in this new job anyway. Congratulations.
  36. Aussie Willy

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    Congratulations and well done. So happy for you, particularly after all the crap you went through.

    There is a saying "Just sit by the river bank and watch your enemies float by". In this case I think the champagne is totally appropriate and if that old boss was floating by then you are entitled to throw the empty bottle at them.
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  37. Wiery

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    What a great saying! :swoon:


    Congratulations, Guinevere! :)
  38. skatesindreams

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    All the best in your new position, Guinevere.
  39. danceronice

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    No, it's not. I just lost a job because I LITERALLY developed an allergy to it (they could have accommodated the medical work restriction, but as that would have meant moving me to a station I liked working and was actually good at, the boss didn't want to do that. She likes yanking employees chains and badmouthing us to each other--always wondered, if she says that about the waitstaff TO us, what does she say to them/back kitchen ABOUT us? Plus the owner only got about one paycheck out of every three right for everyone-we'd be missing hours, paid for the wrong days, missing overtime, etc. That's before the health-code violations....) And I'm now hired at a job with benefits, a dollar more an hour, and where they promote internally and like people who want to train in other departments. I am GLAD to be gone. And will NOT be sad at all when the old place either goes out of business or the health department shuts them down. Your old boss clearly had it coming and you're better off. There is NOTHING wrong with being glad about it. Karma catches up even with bad bosses.
  40. FiveRinger

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    I am so happy for you!! Congratulations and good luck in your new people position!!